what is more important in downhill, leg strength or aerobic capacity?
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I say aerobic capacity.
Why?
Well, you need leg strength to make turns, but you need aerobic capacity to breathe, right?
If you don't have leg strength, then you can't turn at high speeds, but if you can't breathe, then
you'd be dead.
Dead people are definitely slower than people who lack leg strength. Therefore, I submit that
aerobic capacity is more important in the downhill.
Aaron Daniel Gringioni
ps. I used to hang out with some skiers once, therefore I know what I'm talking about
In news:Kurgan Gringioni <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> typed:
> I say aerobic capacity.
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> Why?
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> Well, you need leg strength to make turns, but you need aerobic capacity to breathe, right?
>
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> If you don't have leg strength, then you can't turn at high speeds, but if you can't breathe, then
> you'd be dead.
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> Dead people are definitely slower than people who lack leg strength. Therefore, I submit that
> aerobic capacity is more important in the downhill.
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> Aaron Daniel Gringioni
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> ps. I used to hang out with some skiers once, therefore I know what I'm talking about
Looks like this could make the summer quite amusing. ;-)
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"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:mLuMa.22362$Jw6.9383222@news1.news.adelphia.net:
> I say aerobic capacity.
>
> Why?
>
> Well, you need leg strength to make turns, but you need aerobic capacity to breathe, right?
>
>
> If you don't have leg strength, then you can't turn at high speeds, but if you can't breathe, then
> you'd be dead.
>
>
> Dead people are definitely slower than people who lack leg strength. Therefore, I submit that
> aerobic capacity is more important in the downhill.
>
> Aaron Daniel Gringioni
>
> ps. I used to hang out with some skiers once, therefore I know what I'm talking about
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Actually, It would depend on the steepness and length of the hill. If the hill is steep, after about
40 miles and hour, you need to tuck and not move. To reach a high speed faster, you need to have the
power to accelerate. Steep down hill rode riding consists of short bursts of power to reach a high
speed after a turn or after someone attacks, and then tucking.
Andres
your theory is flawed somewhat, dead people in the right vehicle and terrain are faster than alive
in the same terrain.
example, dead person inside a box off Yosemite is faster than one alive. the alive person would
fight for the first few seconds before being thrown off. the dead person is already traveling at
32.2ft/s /s thus has a 60-90 ft advantage the alive person would never regain. then once they reach
their destination the aerobic wouldn't matter due to the longs being collapsed.....
"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Dead people are definitely slower than people who lack leg strength. Therefore, I submit that
> aerobic capacity is more important in the
downhill.
>
>
>
> Aaron Daniel Gringioni
>
> ps. I used to hang out with some skiers once, therefore I know what I'm talking about
On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 06:14:42 GMT, "Kurgan Gringioni"
<kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I say aerobic capacity.
>
>
>Why?
>
>
>Well, you need leg strength to make turns, but you need aerobic capacity to breathe, right?
>
>
>If you don't have leg strength, then you can't turn at high speeds, but if you can't breathe, then
>you'd be dead.
>
>
>Dead people are definitely slower than people who lack leg strength. Therefore, I submit that
>aerobic capacity is more important in the downhill.
If by "the downhill", you mean an actual Olympic or WC-type Downhill race, you're probably right.
But if you simply mean "downhill", or "alpine" skiing, there are plenty of lines down which the
corpse would be faster, especially after the second bounce. And if there's a large slide in
progress, whoever's caught in it will likely win going away.
bw
In article <mLuMa.22362$Jw6.9383222@news1.news.adelphia.net>, Kurgan Gringioni
<kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I say aerobic capacity.
>
>
> Why?
>
>
> Well, you need leg strength to make turns, but you need aerobic capacity to breathe, right?
>
>
> If you don't have leg strength, then you can't turn at high speeds, but if you can't breathe, then
> you'd be dead.
>
>
> Dead people are definitely slower than people who lack leg strength. Therefore, I submit that
> aerobic capacity is more important in the downhill.
Downhill requires strong legs to maintain a tuck, do the pre-jumps, and absorb the bumps. Lots of
squats done by the best. In a tight tuck there isn't much room to breathe anyway. Alpine skiing is a
sport where one can be a fattie before they are a master.
-WG
Real skiers don't ride chairlifts.
"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mLuMa.22362$Jw6.9383222@news1.news.adelphia.net...
> I say aerobic capacity.
>
> Why?
>
> Well, you need leg strength to make turns, but you need aerobic
capacity to
> breathe, right?
>
> If you don't have leg strength, then you can't turn at high speeds,
but if
> you can't breathe, then you'd be dead.
>
> Dead people are definitely slower than people who lack leg
strength.
> Therefore, I submit that aerobic capacity is more important in the
downhill.
>
Well, you're very close, but the actual answer is *anaerobic* capacity. You see at the speeds most
downhillers are moving, when they open their mouth to breathe, the venturi effect draws all the air
out of their pleural cavity. The better ones use this little known fact to their advantage by
collapsing their rib cages, and thus decreasing their cross-sectional area, enabling them to go
faster due to the drag reduction.
As you might imagine, not breathing at all during two minutes of very high exertion puts quite a
strain on the old bloodstream so most downhiller take Geritol every day.
>
> ps. I used to hang out with some skiers once, therefore I know what
I'm
> talking about
>
You are clearly a very knowledgable person with a PhD. What do your do your dissertation on? I did
mine on Biomechanical Implications of Camel Toe.
-P
JTN wrote:
> your theory is flawed somewhat, dead people in the right vehicle and terrain are faster than alive
> in the same terrain.
>
> example, dead person inside a box off Yosemite is faster than one alive. the alive person would
> fight for the first few seconds before being thrown off. the dead person is already traveling at
> 32.2ft/s /s thus has a 60-90 ft advantage the alive person would never regain. then once they
> reach their destination the aerobic wouldn't matter due to the longs being collapsed.....
But you forget aerodynamic considerations. The dead person could not tuck into an efficient shape
(which a box certainly is not) and wind resistance would slow him down. If the distance to drop is
short, this probably wouldn't matter much.
> "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dead people are definitely slower than people who lack leg strength. Therefore, I submit that
> > aerobic capacity is more important in the downhill.
> >
> > Aaron Daniel Gringioni
>
> > ps. I used to hang out with some skiers once, therefore I know what I'm talking about
It is good that you are willing to learn, grasshopper, but one must travel the path to knowledge one
step at a time.
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Cheers, Bev
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"The Real Bev" <bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:3F032592.51C96338@myrealbox.com...
> JTN wrote:
>
> > your theory is flawed somewhat, dead people in the right vehicle and
terrain
> > are faster than alive in the same terrain.
> >
> > example, dead person inside a box off Yosemite is faster than one alive.
the
> > alive person would fight for the first few seconds before being thrown
off.
> > the dead person is already traveling at 32.2ft/s /s thus has a 60-90 ft advantage the alive
> > person would never regain. then once they reach
their
> > destination the aerobic wouldn't matter due to the longs being collapsed.....
>
> But you forget aerodynamic considerations. The dead person could not tuck into an efficient shape
> (which a box certainly is not) and wind resistance would slow him down. If the distance to drop is
> short, this probably wouldn't matter much.
>
> > "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dead people are definitely slower than people who lack leg strength. Therefore, I submit that
> > > aerobic capacity is more important in the downhill.
> > >
> > > Aaron Daniel Gringioni
> >
> > > ps. I used to hang out with some skiers once, therefore I know what
I'm
> > > talking about
>
> It is good that you are willing to learn, grasshopper, but one must travel the path to knowledge
> one step at a time.
Uhh . . . the skiers I used to hang with were really, really good. They were about equivalent to Cat
3 bike racers and triathletes and stuff.
Therefore, I know what I'm talking about.
Aaron Daniel Gringioni
I say the most important thing in a downhill is a really low IQ.
"Mike Speegle" <mikespeegle@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> In news:Kurgan Gringioni <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> typed:
> > I say aerobic capacity.
> >
> >
> > Why?
> >
> >
> > Well, you need leg strength to make turns, but you need aerobic capacity to breathe, right?
> >
> >
> > If you don't have leg strength, then you can't turn at high
speeds,
> > but if you can't breathe, then you'd be dead.
> >
> >
> > Dead people are definitely slower than people who lack leg
strength.
> > Therefore, I submit that aerobic capacity is more important in the downhill.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Aaron Daniel Gringioni
> >
> >
> >
> > ps. I used to hang out with some skiers once, therefore I know
what
> > I'm talking about
>
> Looks like this could make the summer quite amusing. ;-)
> --
> Mike
> ________________________________________________________
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In news:Tom Kunich <tkunich@earthlink.net> typed:
> I say the most important thing in a downhill is a really low IQ.
*BIG* balls. Tiny brain also helps. ;-)
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Mike
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Mike Speegle wrote:
> In news:Tom Kunich <tkunich@earthlink.net> typed:
>
>>I say the most important thing in a downhill is a really low IQ.
>
>
> *BIG* balls. Tiny brain also helps. ;-)
Guts-wise, it's little different from bombing a canyon or col road at 85+kph, though I haven't yet
been able to get myself to tuck down the start of the Grizzly course. Maybe with a groomed, closed
course, which I'm never prone to get... (If someone were to go through the trouble of closing the
course for little old me, I'd swallow my fear and do the sucker.)
All it really takes is a love for speed, g-forces and strong legs (and the necessary ski skill).
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In news:Raptor <me@attbi.com> typed:
> Mike Speegle wrote:
> > In news:Tom Kunich <tkunich@earthlink.net> typed:
> >
> > > I say the most important thing in a downhill is a really low IQ.
> >
> >
> > *BIG* balls. Tiny brain also helps. ;-)
>
> Guts-wise, it's little different from bombing a canyon or col road at 85+kph, though I haven't yet
> been able to get myself to tuck down the start of the Grizzly course. Maybe with a groomed, closed
> course, which I'm never prone to get... (If someone were to go through the trouble of closing the
> course for little old me, I'd swallow my fear and do the sucker.)
>
> All it really takes is a love for speed, g-forces and strong legs (and the necessary ski skill).
...and the sound of the wind as you accelerate. Really cool. ;-)
--
Mike
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> "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:mLuMa.22362$Jw6.9383222@news1.news.adelphia.net:
>
> > I say aerobic capacity.
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > Well, you need leg strength to make turns, but you need aerobic capacity to breathe, right?
> >
> >
> > If you don't have leg strength, then you can't turn at high speeds, but if you can't breathe,
> > then you'd be dead.
> >
> >
> > Dead people are definitely slower than people who lack leg strength. Therefore, I submit that
> > aerobic capacity is more important in the downhill.
> >
> > Aaron Daniel Gringioni
> >
> > ps. I used to hang out with some skiers once, therefore I know what I'm talking about
>
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It's a parody, not a troll.
Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>
> Uhh . . . the skiers I used to hang with were really, really good. They were about equivalent to
> Cat 3 bike racers and triathletes and stuff.
Cool, I'm always looking for new ski partners. How about you join me for a run down one of my
favourite couloirs? Perhaps I could even pick up a few pointers.
>
> Therefore, I know what I'm talking about.
I'm betting on it or more to the point, you'll be betting your life on it.
Ciao,
Armin
"Armin" <armin.news@telus.net> wrote in message news:be22ca$fh8b$1@ID-122436.news.dfncis.de...
> Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> >
> > Uhh . . . the skiers I used to hang with were really, really good. They were about equivalent to
> > Cat 3 bike racers and triathletes and stuff.
>
> Cool, I'm always looking for new ski partners. How about you join me for a run down one of my
> favourite couloirs? Perhaps I could even pick up a few pointers.
> >
> > Therefore, I know what I'm talking about.
>
> I'm betting on it or more to the point, you'll be betting your life on it.
I've seen some of those couliers in magazines. Overblown. My studly Cat 3 buddies would leave you in
their dust.
Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> "Armin" <armin.news@telus.net> wrote in message news:be22ca$fh8b$1@ID-122436.news.dfncis.de...
>> Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>>>
>>> Uhh . . . the skiers I used to hang with were really, really good. They were about equivalent to
>>> Cat 3 bike racers and triathletes and stuff.
>>
>> Cool, I'm always looking for new ski partners. How about you join me for a run down one of my
>> favourite couloirs? Perhaps I could even pick up a few pointers.
>>>
>>> Therefore, I know what I'm talking about.
>>
>> I'm betting on it or more to the point, you'll be betting your life on it.
>
>
> I've seen some of those couliers in magazines. Overblown. My studly Cat 3 buddies would leave you
> in their dust.
I once saw some pictures of the TdF. Looked like a walk in the park. What they thought was steep
wouldn't even make a good beginners hill at the local ski resort. I'm sure any decent skier could
leave those gay looking guys wearing day-glo tights in their dust.
After all, pictures never lie.
Armin
Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> Dead people are definitely slower than people who lack leg strength. Therefore, I submit that
> aerobic capacity is more important in the downhill.
As has been pointed out, dead people *can* have an advantage in a straight downhill. Even more if
rigor mortis has set in.
As a related data point, we submit results from the Queenstown winter festival where individuals on
cardboard boxes beat mountain bikers on the downhill slopes.
So I would express the opinion that a deceased individual on a cardboard box could easily outclass
an individual with strong legs in a downhill event. It may however, be difficult to acquire ethical
approval for a fully-detailed research study.
One of the mountainbikers was also heard to remark that the lack of snow made his event too
difficult. I think that is where both rbr and rsa can find agreement.
"Armin" <armin.news@telus.net> wrote in message news:be26cn$g5i4$1@ID-122436.news.dfncis.de...
> Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> > "Armin" <armin.news@telus.net> wrote in message news:be22ca$fh8b$1@ID-122436.news.dfncis.de...
> >> Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Uhh . . . the skiers I used to hang with were really, really good. They were about equivalent
> >>> to Cat 3 bike racers and triathletes and stuff.
> >>
> >> Cool, I'm always looking for new ski partners. How about you join me for a run down one of my
> >> favourite couloirs? Perhaps I could even pick up a few pointers.
> >>>
> >>> Therefore, I know what I'm talking about.
> >>
> >> I'm betting on it or more to the point, you'll be betting your life on it.
> >
> >
> > I've seen some of those couliers in magazines. Overblown. My studly Cat 3 buddies would leave
> > you in their dust.
>
> I once saw some pictures of the TdF. Looked like a walk in the park. What they thought was steep
> wouldn't even make a good beginners hill at the local ski resort. I'm sure any decent skier could
> leave those gay looking guys wearing
day-glo
> tights in their dust.
I agree.
The Sperminator will WIN THE PROLOGUE TOMMORROW!!!!!!
You heard it here first.
Kurgan Gringioni downhill Xpert
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