Poll: What's your Functional Threshold power?

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Absolutely. But, I think a lot of people who are using their 20min interval power as their FTP are placing a huge bet on motivation and I think they are often disappointed.
I agree with you, but they are only hurting themselves...

This isn't a "my dad can beat up your dad" contest...

The way that I took this post was a chance to see what other people could do FTP-wise.

Honestly, none of it really matters when the rubber meets the road, though.

For example, look at the times that are posted. There are some blazing times with what could be looked at as moderate wattage numbers.

One of the things this proves is that there is more to winning bike races than how much wattage you can put out...

I just consider training with wattage as a way to quantify training and analyze racing.

When it all comes down to it, anyone can put in any number they want in this chart and it doesn't matter to me. The only numbers that matter to me are mine...

Jim

ID FT Wt. W/Kg 10m(16km) 25m(40km)

the holster 370 67 5.52
Camoscio 340 62 5.48
scotmart 385 72 5.35 19:58 (47:21 on a 37.8km course)
musher 340 64 5.31
bigmatt 396 75 5.28
BullGod 365 70 5.21
whoawhoa 320 62.5 5.12
gvanwagner 325 64 5.08
joemw 340 69 4.92
musher 318 65 4.89
gonzalovilaseca 310 68 4.56
kennethn 320 70.3 4.55
JohnMeyers 350 77 4.54
PSUCycling 305 68 4.48 (40k 58:30 @ 250W ave-asthema!)
peterpen 290 65 4.46
zaskar 280 63 4.44
joule 266 60 4.43
HammerHead 300 68 4.41
bikeguy 315 72 4.38 5 km rolling TT, 7:15; standard, no aero bars, after 90k
rouleur 315 72 4.38
Thorman 340 78 4.36
Lazy Llama 286 66 4.33 13.3 mi TT, 30:12
dshep27283 345 80 4.31
postal_bag 325 76 4.28
pledac 295 69 4.27
RobM 312 73 4.27
mattv2099 314 75 4.19
Stanette 313 75 4.17
Atsic 252 61 4.13
yzfrr11 310 75 4.13
Xav 318 77 4.13
Spunout 280 68 4.12
RapDaddyo 325 80 4.06
jbvcoaching 310 77 4.03 21:10 52:17
velobob 310 77 4.03
jack.hutchinson 285 71 4.01
bspurgeon 315 78.5 3.99
K50 275 69 3.99, (no TT's) all XC baby!
cube 290 73 3.97
Old Junker 250 63 3.97
velomanct 310 79 3.92
My02Sti 305 79 3.86
Otb4evr 385 100 3.85 22:19 58:48
BlueJersey 230 60 3.83
robkit 280 75 3.73
sugaken 240 66 3.64
amartinez 242 67 3.61
woodgab 321 89 3.61
bigbevans 260 73 3.56 21:30 (270 w) 56:46
Hookyrider 284 80 3.55
Krazyderek 260 78 3.33
AndROOb 232 71 3.27
spomanski 310 96 3.23
netscriber 143 47 3.04
beerco 220 78 2.82
fmarques25 204 74 2.76
the holster 180 67 2.69

K50,

Are you sure the 40 km TT was really 40 km? Was it a closed loop? (no downhill or tailwind all the way)

That average speed is fast enough to win the last _world_ time trial championship. Or the one before that. Or the one before that (even including Millar, with drugs). By a goodish margin too. Check the numbers - I would be more inclined to believe a time of 57 minutes if he is cat 3 and it is a local TT race. (or there's been a helluva wind shift part way through his run)

Dan
I have no idea what the circumstances are on the race. I want to look into it though, because I'm really curious... But it was indeed a "40km" TT and his time was 47 minutes...not sure how close to 40km it was and where the race was held, but yeah when I saw that, I nearly crapped myself. That's a blazing fast time!!! And maybe there was a wicked wind there too.

ID FT Wt. W/Kg 10m(16km) 25m(40km)

the holster 370 67 5.52
Camoscio 340 62 5.48
scotmart 385 72 5.35 19:58 (47:21 on a 37.8km course)
musher 340 64 5.31
bigmatt 396 75 5.28
BullGod 365 70 5.21
whoawhoa 320 62.5 5.12
gvanwagner 325 64 5.08
joemw 340 69 4.92
musher 318 65 4.89
Markster 335 70 4.79 19:57 51:55
gonzalovilaseca 310 68 4.56
kennethn 320 70.3 4.55
JohnMeyers 350 77 4.54
PSUCycling 305 68 4.48 (40k 58:30 @ 250W ave-asthema!)
peterpen 290 65 4.46
zaskar 280 63 4.44
joule 266 60 4.43
HammerHead 300 68 4.41
bikeguy 315 72 4.38 5 km rolling TT, 7:15; standard, no aero bars, after 90k
rouleur 315 72 4.38
Thorman 340 78 4.36
Lazy Llama 286 66 4.33 13.3 mi TT, 30:12
dshep27283 345 80 4.31
postal_bag 325 76 4.28
pledac 295 69 4.27
RobM 312 73 4.27
mattv2099 314 75 4.19
Stanette 313 75 4.17
Atsic 252 61 4.13
yzfrr11 310 75 4.13
Xav 318 77 4.13
Spunout 280 68 4.12
RapDaddyo 325 80 4.06
jbvcoaching 310 77 4.03 21:10 52:17
velobob 310 77 4.03
jack.hutchinson 285 71 4.01
bspurgeon 315 78.5 3.99
K50 275 69 3.99, (no TT's) all XC baby!
cube 290 73 3.97
Old Junker 250 63 3.97
velomanct 310 79 3.92
My02Sti 305 79 3.86
Otb4evr 385 100 3.85 22:19 58:48
BlueJersey 230 60 3.83
robkit 280 75 3.73
sugaken 240 66 3.64
amartinez 242 67 3.61
woodgab 321 89 3.61
bigbevans 260 73 3.56 21:30 (270 w) 56:46
Hookyrider 284 80 3.55
Krazyderek 260 78 3.33
AndROOb 232 71 3.27
spomanski 310 96 3.23
netscriber 143 47 3.04
beerco 220 78 2.82
fmarques25 204 74 2.76
the holster 180 67 2.69

ID FT Wt. W/Kg 10m(16km) 25m(40km)

the holster 370 67 5.52
Camoscio 340 62 5.48
scotmart 385 72 5.35 19:58 (47:21 on a 37.8km course)
musher 340 64 5.31
bigmatt 396 75 5.28
BullGod 365 70 5.21
joemw 354 68 5.20
whoawhoa 320 62.5 5.12
gvanwagner 325 64 5.08
musher 318 65 4.89
Markster 335 70 4.79 19:57 51:55
gonzalovilaseca 310 68 4.56
kennethn 320 70.3 4.55
JohnMeyers 350 77 4.54
PSUCycling 305 68 4.48 (40k 58:30 @ 250W ave-asthema!)
peterpen 290 65 4.46
zaskar 280 63 4.44
joule 266 60 4.43
HammerHead 300 68 4.41
bikeguy 315 72 4.38 5 km rolling TT, 7:15; standard, no aero bars, after 90k
rouleur 315 72 4.38
Thorman 340 78 4.36
Lazy Llama 286 66 4.33 13.3 mi TT, 30:12
dshep27283 345 80 4.31
postal_bag 325 76 4.28
pledac 295 69 4.27
RobM 312 73 4.27
mattv2099 314 75 4.19
Stanette 313 75 4.17
Atsic 252 61 4.13
yzfrr11 310 75 4.13
Xav 318 77 4.13
Spunout 280 68 4.12
RapDaddyo 325 80 4.06
jbvcoaching 310 77 4.03 21:10 52:17
velobob 310 77 4.03
jack.hutchinson 285 71 4.01
bspurgeon 315 78.5 3.99
K50 275 69 3.99, (no TT's) all XC baby!
cube 290 73 3.97
Old Junker 250 63 3.97
velomanct 310 79 3.92
My02Sti 305 79 3.86
Otb4evr 385 100 3.85 22:19 58:48
BlueJersey 230 60 3.83
robkit 280 75 3.73
sugaken 240 66 3.64
amartinez 242 67 3.61
woodgab 321 89 3.61
bigbevans 260 73 3.56 21:30 (270 w) 56:46
Hookyrider 284 80 3.55
Krazyderek 260 78 3.33
AndROOb 232 71 3.27
spomanski 310 96 3.23
netscriber 143 47 3.04
beerco 220 78 2.82
fmarques25 204 74 2.76

ID FT Wt. W/Kg 10m(16km) 25m(40km)

the holster 370 67 5.52
Camoscio 340 62 5.48
scotmart 385 72 5.35 19:58 (47:21 on a 37.8km course)
musher 340 64 5.31
bigmatt 396 75 5.28
BullGod 365 70 5.21
joemw 354 68 5.20
whoawhoa 320 62.5 5.12
gvanwagner 325 64 5.08
musher 318 65 4.89
Markster 335 70 4.79 19:57 51:55
gonzalovilaseca 310 68 4.56
kennethn 320 70.3 4.55
JohnMeyers 350 77 4.54
PSUCycling 305 68 4.48 (40k 58:30 @ 250W ave-asthema!)
peterpen 290 65 4.46
zaskar 280 63 4.44
joule 266 60 4.43
HammerHead 300 68 4.41
bikeguy 315 72 4.38 5 km rolling TT, 7:15; standard, no aero bars, after 90k
rouleur 315 72 4.38
Thorman 340 78 4.36
Lazy Llama 286 66 4.33 13.3 mi TT, 30:12
dshep27283 345 80 4.31
postal_bag 325 76 4.28
pledac 295 69 4.27
RobM 312 73 4.27
cadence230 280 4.24
mattv2099 314 75 4.19
Stanette 313 75 4.17
Atsic 252 61 4.13
yzfrr11 310 75 4.13
Xav 318 77 4.13
Spunout 280 68 4.12
RapDaddyo 325 80 4.06
jbvcoaching 310 77 4.03 21:10 52:17
velobob 310 77 4.03
jack.hutchinson 285 71 4.01
bspurgeon 315 78.5 3.99
K50 275 69 3.99, (no TT's) all XC baby!
cube 290 73 3.97
Old Junker 250 63 3.97
velomanct 310 79 3.92
My02Sti 305 79 3.86
Otb4evr 385 100 3.85 22:19 58:48
BlueJersey 230 60 3.83
robkit 280 75 3.73
sugaken 240 66 3.64
amartinez 242 67 3.61
woodgab 321 89 3.61
bigbevans 260 73 3.56 21:30 (270 w) 56:46
Hookyrider 284 80 3.55
Krazyderek 260 78 3.33
AndROOb 232 71 3.27
spomanski 310 96 3.23
netscriber 143 47 3.04
beerco 220 78 2.82
fmarques25 204 74 2.76

Best effort for 40k TT 2006:
- Joule, 261 watts (avg), 60 kg, 4.35 w/kg, 40km (25.85 mi)

Future TdF or World TT champ? What's his name?He should`ve won ProTour races this year, w/kg=6,854, if it`s true, he`s number ONE!

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/9219/vermogenperkg1lx.jpg

Actually, FTP is precisely defined (maximum sustainable constant power for 60mins). It's just that people "estimate" their FTP using various methods rather than doing a 60 min max power test ride.

Hunter Allens defintion (http://www.trainingpeaks.com/hunter/whatisthreshold.asp)

So, if you're a super freak (cough cough... Nathan O'Neil...cough cough) and a 40k may only take you 45 odd minutes, do you use that for FT, or adjust to 1-hr?

He`s not very impressive!

Hunter Allens defintion (http://www.trainingpeaks.com/hunter/whatisthreshold.asp)
You might be more interested in Andy Coggan's definition: http://cyclingpeakssoftware.com/power411/threshold.asp

Update: It seems that I over-estimated my FTP with 0.95*CP20. I take 0.93*CP20 now.

the holster 370 67 5.52
Camoscio 340 62 5.48
scotmart 385 72 5.35 19:58 (47:21 on a 37.8km course)
musher 340 64 5.31
bigmatt 396 75 5.28
BullGod 365 70 5.21
joemw 354 68 5.20
whoawhoa 320 62.5 5.12
gvanwagner 325 64 5.08
musher 318 65 4.89
Markster 335 70 4.79 19:57 51:55
gonzalovilaseca 310 68 4.56
kennethn 320 70.3 4.55
JohnMeyers 350 77 4.54
PSUCycling 305 68 4.48 (40k 58:30 @ 250W ave-asthema!)
peterpen 290 65 4.46
zaskar 280 63 4.44
joule 266 60 4.43
HammerHead 300 68 4.41
bikeguy 315 72 4.38 5 km rolling TT, 7:15; standard, no aero bars, after 90k
rouleur 315 72 4.38
Thorman 340 78 4.36
Lazy Llama 286 66 4.33 13.3 mi TT, 30:12
dshep27283 345 80 4.31
postal_bag 325 76 4.28
RobM 312 73 4.27
cadence230 280 4.24
mattv2099 314 75 4.19
Stanette 313 75 4.17
Atsic 252 61 4.13
yzfrr11 310 75 4.13
Xav 318 77 4.13
pledac 285 69 4.13
Spunout 280 68 4.12
RapDaddyo 325 80 4.06
jbvcoaching 310 77 4.03 21:10 52:17
velobob 310 77 4.03
jack.hutchinson 285 71 4.01
bspurgeon 315 78.5 3.99
K50 275 69 3.99, (no TT's) all XC baby!
cube 290 73 3.97
Old Junker 250 63 3.97
velomanct 310 79 3.92
My02Sti 305 79 3.86
Otb4evr 385 100 3.85 22:19 58:48
BlueJersey 230 60 3.83
robkit 280 75 3.73
sugaken 240 66 3.64
amartinez 242 67 3.61
woodgab 321 89 3.61
bigbevans 260 73 3.56 21:30 (270 w) 56:46
Hookyrider 284 80 3.55
Krazyderek 260 78 3.33
AndROOb 232 71 3.27
spomanski 310 96 3.23
netscriber 143 47 3.04
beerco 220 78 2.82
fmarques25 204 74 2.76

Since I just did my first ftp test then I'll add my score (such as it is :o).

ftp at the moment is 288. Best results are 21:56 for a 10 mile TT and
57:59 for a 25. That got me 5th in the 10 and 30th in the 25.

I got 8th in another 25 on a slow hilly course but mainly 'cos noone fast turned up!

I am right at then end of 4 weeks of off season. I have slumped a lot since my peak in June/July as it has been a hard year (my first year of training/racing and only my second year on the bike).

Hopefully I can post back with an improvement when I retest in 6 weeks time.

the holster 370 67 5.52
Camoscio 340 62 5.48
scotmart 385 72 5.35 19:58 (47:21 on a 37.8km course)
musher 340 64 5.31
bigmatt 396 75 5.28
BullGod 365 70 5.21
joemw 354 68 5.20
whoawhoa 320 62.5 5.12
gvanwagner 325 64 5.08
musher 318 65 4.89
Markster 335 70 4.79 19:57 51:55
gonzalovilaseca 310 68 4.56
kennethn 320 70.3 4.55
JohnMeyers 350 77 4.54
PSUCycling 305 68 4.48 (40k 58:30 @ 250W ave-asthema!)
peterpen 290 65 4.46
zaskar 280 63 4.44
joule 266 60 4.43
HammerHead 300 68 4.41
bikeguy 315 72 4.38 5 km rolling TT, 7:15; standard, no aero bars, after 90k
rouleur 315 72 4.38
Thorman 340 78 4.36
Chowderm 325 75 4.33 52:19
Lazy Llama 286 66 4.33 13.3 mi TT, 30:12
dshep27283 345 80 4.31
postal_bag 325 76 4.28
RobM 312 73 4.27
cadence230 280 4.24
mattv2099 314 75 4.19
Stanette 313 75 4.17
Atsic 252 61 4.13
yzfrr11 310 75 4.13
Xav 318 77 4.13
pledac 285 69 4.13
Spunout 280 68 4.12
RapDaddyo 325 80 4.06
jbvcoaching 310 77 4.03 21:10 52:17
velobob 310 77 4.03
jack.hutchinson 285 71 4.01
bspurgeon 315 78.5 3.99
K50 275 69 3.99, (no TT's) all XC baby!
cube 290 73 3.97
Old Junker 250 63 3.97
velomanct 310 79 3.92
My02Sti 305 79 3.86
Otb4evr 385 100 3.85 22:19 58:48
BlueJersey 230 60 3.83
robkit 280 75 3.73
sugaken 240 66 3.64
amartinez 242 67 3.61
woodgab 321 89 3.61
bigbevans 260 73 3.56 21:30 (270 w) 56:46
Hookyrider 284 80 3.55
Krazyderek 260 78 3.33
AndROOb 232 71 3.27
spomanski 310 96 3.23
netscriber 143 47 3.04
beerco 220 78 2.82
fmarques25 204 74 2.76

FT at peak of 2006 race season was 335, 20k tt wattage at about 360 @ LTHR of about 165 bips.

Masters 35+ NJ State Time Trial Champion
A few first place TT wins in M35 throughout year.
A few road races won and top places in 4s, then cat3s, all from breaks or solos.

right now, building back up steady smooth miles with some intensity every 10days or so, FT is dialed back to about 295 or so.

typicall TT'rs. really strong cp180,120,60,30,12,5, good 1 minute but weak sprinter. my cp.8 is like 995 watts. not sure i popped 1K+ in any race all year. in sprinting, i'm a 5th grade school girl.

weight = 168 more or less, 6feet even. though i'm down a few now and hoping to keep it in the mid 160s to low 160s.
age=37

when did we all become older gentlemen!!!??
-steve

FTP: 323W
Weight: 66kg
Age: 33

Racing 16 years

FTP: 323W
Weight: 66kg
Age: 33

the holster 370 67 5.52
Camoscio 340 62 5.48
scotmart 385 72 5.35 19:58 (47:21 on a 37.8km course)
musher 340 64 5.31
bigmatt 396 75 5.28
BullGod 365 70 5.21
joemw 354 68 5.20
whoawhoa 320 62.5 5.12
gvanwagner 325 64 5.08
musher 318 65 4.89
Markster 335 70 4.79 19:57 51:55
gonzalovilaseca 310 68 4.56
kennethn 320 70.3 4.55
JohnMeyers 350 77 4.54
PSUCycling 305 68 4.48 (40k 58:30 @ 250W ave-asthema!)
peterpen 290 65 4.46
zaskar 280 63 4.44
joule 266 60 4.43
HammerHead 300 68 4.41
bikeguy 315 72 4.38 5 km rolling TT, 7:15; standard, no aero bars, after 90k
rouleur 315 72 4.38
Thorman 340 78 4.36
Chowderm 325 75 4.33 52:19
Lazy Llama 286 66 4.33 13.3 mi TT, 30:12
dshep27283 345 80 4.31
postal_bag 325 76 4.28
RobM 312 73 4.27
cadence230 280 4.24
mattv2099 314 75 4.19
Stanette 313 75 4.17
Atsic 252 61 4.13
yzfrr11 310 75 4.13
Xav 318 77 4.13
pledac 285 69 4.13
Spunout 280 68 4.12
RapDaddyo 325 80 4.06
jbvcoaching 310 77 4.03 21:10 52:17
velobob 310 77 4.03
jack.hutchinson 285 71 4.01
bspurgeon 315 78.5 3.99
K50 275 69 3.99, (no TT's) all XC baby!
cube 290 73 3.97
Old Junker 250 63 3.97
velomanct 310 79 3.92
My02Sti 305 79 3.86
Otb4evr 385 100 3.85 22:19 58:48
BlueJersey 230 60 3.83
robkit 280 75 3.73
11ring 256 70 3.66 22.10
sugaken 240 66 3.64
amartinez 242 67 3.61
woodgab 321 89 3.61
bigbevans 260 73 3.56 21:30 (270 w) 56:46
Hookyrider 284 80 3.55
Krazyderek 260 78 3.33
AndROOb 232 71 3.27
spomanski 310 96 3.23
netscriber 143 47 3.04
beerco 220 78 2.82
fmarques25 204 74 2.76[/QUOTE]

the holster 370 67 5.52
Camoscio 340 62 5.48
scotmart 385 72 5.35 19:58 (47:21 on a 37.8km course)
musher 340 64 5.31
bigmatt 396 75 5.28
BullGod 365 70 5.21
joemw 354 68 5.20
whoawhoa 320 62.5 5.12
gvanwagner 325 64 5.08
musher 318 65 4.89
Markster 335 70 4.79 19:57 51:55
gonzalovilaseca 310 68 4.56
kennethn 320 70.3 4.55
JohnMeyers 350 77 4.54
PSUCycling 305 68 4.48 (40k 58:30 @ 250W ave-asthema!)
peterpen 290 65 4.46
zaskar 280 63 4.44
joule 266 60 4.43
HammerHead 300 68 4.41
bikeguy 315 72 4.38 5 km rolling TT, 7:15; standard, no aero bars, after 90k
rouleur 315 72 4.38
Thorman 340 78 4.36
Chowderm 325 75 4.33 52:19
Lazy Llama 286 66 4.33 13.3 mi TT, 30:12
dshep27283 345 80 4.31
postal_bag 325 76 4.28
RobM 312 73 4.27
cadence230 280 4.24
mattv2099 314 75 4.19
Stanette 313 75 4.17
Atsic 252 61 4.13
yzfrr11 310 75 4.13
Xav 318 77 4.13
pledac 285 69 4.13
Spunout 280 68 4.12
RapDaddyo 325 80 4.06
jbvcoaching 310 77 4.03 21:10 52:17
velobob 310 77 4.03
jack.hutchinson 285 71 4.01
bspurgeon 315 78.5 3.99
K50 275 69 3.99, (no TT's) all XC baby!
cube 290 73 3.97
Old Junker 250 63 3.97
NomadVW 317 80 3.96
velomanct 310 79 3.92
My02Sti 305 79 3.86
Otb4evr 385 100 3.85 22:19 58:48
BlueJersey 230 60 3.83
robkit 280 75 3.73
11ring 256 70 3.66 22.10
sugaken 240 66 3.64
amartinez 242 67 3.61
woodgab 321 89 3.61
bigbevans 260 73 3.56 21:30 (270 w) 56:46
Hookyrider 284 80 3.55
Krazyderek 260 78 3.33
AndROOb 232 71 3.27
spomanski 310 96 3.23
netscriber 143 47 3.04
beerco 220 78 2.82
fmarques25 204 74 2.76

the holster 370 67 5.52
Camoscio 340 62 5.48
scotmart 385 72 5.35 19:58 (47:21 on a 37.8km course)
musher 340 64 5.31
bigmatt 396 75 5.28
BullGod 365 70 5.21
joemw 354 68 5.20
whoawhoa 320 62.5 5.12
gvanwagner 325 64 5.08
whoawhoa 305 63 4.84
Markster 335 70 4.79 19:57 51:55
gonzalovilaseca 310 68 4.56
kennethn 320 70.3 4.55
JohnMeyers 350 77 4.54
PSUCycling 305 68 4.48 (40k 58:30 @ 250W ave-asthema!)
peterpen 290 65 4.46
zaskar 280 63 4.44
joule 266 60 4.43
HammerHead 300 68 4.41
bikeguy 315 72 4.38 5 km rolling TT, 7:15; standard, no aero bars, after 90k
rouleur 315 72 4.38
Thorman 340 78 4.36
Chowderm 325 75 4.33 52:19
Lazy Llama 286 66 4.33 13.3 mi TT, 30:12
dshep27283 345 80 4.31
postal_bag 325 76 4.28
RobM 312 73 4.27
cadence230 280 4.24
mattv2099 314 75 4.19
Stanette 313 75 4.17
Atsic 252 61 4.13
yzfrr11 310 75 4.13
Xav 318 77 4.13
pledac 285 69 4.13
Spunout 280 68 4.12
RapDaddyo 325 80 4.06
jbvcoaching 310 77 4.03 21:10 52:17
velobob 310 77 4.03
jack.hutchinson 285 71 4.01
bspurgeon 315 78.5 3.99
K50 275 69 3.99, (no TT's) all XC baby!
cube 290 73 3.97
Old Junker 250 63 3.97
NomadVW 317 80 3.96
velomanct 310 79 3.92
My02Sti 305 79 3.86
Otb4evr 385 100 3.85 22:19 58:48
BlueJersey 230 60 3.83
robkit 280 75 3.73
11ring 256 70 3.66 22.10
sugaken 240 66 3.64
amartinez 242 67 3.61
woodgab 321 89 3.61
bigbevans 260 73 3.56 21:30 (270 w) 56:46
Hookyrider 284 80 3.55
Krazyderek 260 78 3.33
AndROOb 232 71 3.27
spomanski 310 96 3.23
netscriber 143 47 3.04
beerco 220 78 2.82
fmarques25 204 74 2.76
Looks like I had to give a few spots back. :p When I got my PT I found FTP was lower than what I had predicted it to be using the Kinetic Trainer, at first I thought it was just due to being out of shape. But now, I'm forced to admit I estimated a few watts high. :o