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Jc6239
  
Going back for bottles made Pena fall behind 20 minutes on the climb. Lance should have waited for
him so he could have stayed in Yellow. <g

Hold My Beer An
  
"jc6239" <coggs@verizon.net_nospam> wrote in message
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> Going back for bottles made Pena fall behind 20 minutes on the climb.
Lance
> should have waited for him so he could have stayed in Yellow. <g>
>

NO WAY MAN. ITS AN AMERICAN TEAM AND IT ALL ABOUT WINNING. PENA IS NOTHING BUT A ***** WHO'S PAID TO
DO RIDE FOR LANCE, NOTHING ELSE. WHO CARES IF HE'S WEARING THE MOST IMPORTANT SYMBOL IN SPORT?
TRADITION AND CLASS ARE FOR LOSERS.

GO LANCE JUST GO!!!!!!!

Daniel Connelly
  
hold my beer and watch this... wrote:
> NO WAY MAN. ITS AN AMERICAN TEAM AND IT ALL ABOUT WINNING. PENA IS NOTHING BUT A ***** WHO'S PAID
> TO DO RIDE FOR LANCE, NOTHING ELSE. WHO CARES IF HE'S WEARING THE MOST IMPORTANT SYMBOL IN SPORT?
> TRADITION AND CLASS ARE FOR LOSERS.
>

Tradition and class? How far back does your comprehensive knowledge of "tradition and class" go?
Merckx? Anquetil? Coppi?

Winning 5 consecutive tours is tradition and class.

Dan

Sm
  
So your telling me that Pena doesn't know that he was employed as a domestique? I guess you are one
of those guys that think that CEO's should mention that it was some guy down in accounting that came
up with their latest cost cutting measure that will deliver bigger profits?

Cycling is a business as much as a sport and the simple fact is that everyone on the team earns more
money for winning the Tour, not for wearing the MJ for two days.

Get real and go back to your beer swilling ways you imbecile.

"hold my beer and watch this..." <trdina@dejazzd.com> wrote in message
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>
> "jc6239" <coggs@verizon.net_nospam> wrote in message
> news:bAVPa.7074$Kw1.3015@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > Going back for bottles made Pena fall behind 20 minutes on the climb.
> Lance
> > should have waited for him so he could have stayed in Yellow. <g>
> >
>
> NO WAY MAN. ITS AN AMERICAN TEAM AND IT ALL ABOUT WINNING. PENA IS
NOTHING
> BUT A ***** WHO'S PAID TO DO RIDE FOR LANCE, NOTHING ELSE. WHO CARES IF HE'S WEARING THE MOST
> IMPORTANT SYMBOL IN SPORT? TRADITION AND CLASS ARE FOR LOSERS.
>
> GO LANCE JUST GO!!!!!!!

Corey Green
  
That is ludicrous. Why would you change the team strategy for a three week race when the guy got
lucky and beat Lance in the time trial? The TEAM has prepared months for this race and before anyone
got close to France they knew what their role would be if they were chosen for the TdF team. "Defend
where appropriate" was the term used by many interviewed - today it was not appropriate to defend
the jersey when a non-climber is wearing it.

"hold my beer and watch this..." <trdina@dejazzd.com> wrote in message
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>
> "jc6239" <coggs@verizon.net_nospam> wrote in message
> news:bAVPa.7074$Kw1.3015@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > Going back for bottles made Pena fall behind 20 minutes on the climb.
> Lance
> > should have waited for him so he could have stayed in Yellow. <g>
> >
>
> NO WAY MAN. ITS AN AMERICAN TEAM AND IT ALL ABOUT WINNING. PENA IS
NOTHING
> BUT A ***** WHO'S PAID TO DO RIDE FOR LANCE, NOTHING ELSE. WHO CARES IF HE'S WEARING THE MOST
> IMPORTANT SYMBOL IN SPORT? TRADITION AND CLASS ARE FOR LOSERS.
>
> GO LANCE JUST GO!!!!!!!

Hold My Beer An
  
"Corey Green" <cgreen1@cinci.NOSPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
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> That is ludicrous. Why would you change the team strategy for a three week race when the guy got
> lucky and beat Lance in the time trial?

moron.

B. Having someone besides Pena go back to get bottles wouldn't have changed the 'Team Strategy' one
iota. It would, however, have shown respect for the rider, the jersey and the race.

Warren
  
In article <sMWPa.239$lL.28704@nnrp1.ptd.net>, hold my beer and watch this...
<trdina@dejazzd.com> wrote:

> "Corey Green" <cgreen1@cinci.NOSPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:3hWPa.14809$zE.3135@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> > That is ludicrous. Why would you change the team strategy for a three week race when the guy got
> > lucky and beat Lance in the time trial?
>

> moron.
>
> B. Having someone besides Pena go back to get bottles wouldn't have changed the 'Team Strategy'
> one iota. It would, however, have shown respect for the rider, the jersey and the race.

Information is enlightenment.

Yesterday, after Pena went back for bottles the USPS director reminded him that the maillot jaune
does not go back for bottles so Pena only did it once. Today, Pena took a long pull on the type of
terrain he's good at and then fell back to rest up for the more important work tomorrow.

-WG

Corey Green
  
Irrespective of what you think of me, Pena had no chance of retaining the maillot jaune today, and
you know it. The only way he even had a slight chance is to waste the team chasing down every single
attack and hope Pena could get back on. Why waste the team when Pena isn't even close to being an
overall contender.

He was happy to hold it for even a short time - let him get back to his job.

"hold my beer and watch this..." <trdina@dejazzd.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Corey Green" <cgreen1@cinci.NOSPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:3hWPa.14809$zE.3135@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
> > That is ludicrous. Why would you change the team strategy for a three
week
> > race when the guy got lucky and beat Lance in the time trial?
>

> moron.
>
> B. Having someone besides Pena go back to get bottles wouldn't have
changed
> the 'Team Strategy' one iota. It would, however, have shown respect for
the
> rider, the jersey and the race.

Lantern Rouge
  
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:26:58 +0000, hold my beer and watch this... wrote:

>
> "jc6239" <coggs@verizon.net_nospam> wrote in message
> news:bAVPa.7074$Kw1.3015@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
>> Going back for bottles made Pena fall behind 20 minutes on the climb.
> Lance
>> should have waited for him so he could have stayed in Yellow. <g>
>>
>
> NO WAY MAN. ITS AN AMERICAN TEAM AND IT ALL ABOUT WINNING. PENA IS NOTHING BUT A ***** WHO'S PAID
> TO DO RIDE FOR LANCE, NOTHING ELSE. WHO CARES IF HE'S WEARING THE MOST IMPORTANT SYMBOL IN SPORT?
> TRADITION AND CLASS ARE FOR LOSERS.
>
> GO LANCE JUST GO!!!!!!!

Jeeperz. I can only count three Gringos on the Posties squad, and one of those even has a guy for a
Papa that swam across the Rio Grande

Ken Papai
  
"Corey Green" <cgreen1@cinci.NOSPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
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> That is ludicrous. Why would you change the team strategy for a three week race when the guy
> got lucky and beat Lance in the time trial? The TEAM has prepared months for this race and
> before anyone got close to France they knew what their role would be if they were chosen for
> the TdF team.
"Defend
> where appropriate" was the term used by many interviewed - today it was
not
> appropriate to defend the jersey when a non-climber is wearing it.

You are being TROLLED by Brian Trdina.

> "hold my beer and watch this..." <trdina@dejazzd.com> wrote in message
> news:6NVPa.229$lL.28197@nnrp1.ptd.net...

Ken Papai
  
Armstrong's teammate Victor Hugo Peņa ended his reign as Maillot Jaune today, finishing 148th at
24'56". The engaging former swimming champ, who will go down in history as the first ever Colombian
rider to wear the Maillot Jaune, told Cyclingnews after Stage 7 that "Now after the great experience
of wearing the yellow jersey, I'm here to work for Lance. I'm glad the way things worked out; that I
could wear the jersey for three days was something special. But now I can go back to my real job."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2003/tour03/?id=results/stage7

"jc6239" <coggs@verizon.net_nospam> wrote in message
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> Going back for bottles made Pena fall behind 20 minutes on the climb.
Lance
> should have waited for him so he could have stayed in Yellow. <g

Hold My Beer An
  
"Corey Green" <cgreen1@cinci.NOSPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Irrespective of what you think of me, Pena had no chance of retaining the maillot jaune today, and
> you know it.

I don't know it and you don't know it. Who knows what the guy could've done if he hadn't had to
waste himself going back to the team car and hauling 8-10 bottles back up to the peleton 4 or
four times?

Fred Marx
  
hold my beer and watch this... wrote:

> "Corey Green" <cgreen1@cinci.NOSPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:dkXPa.15508$ND.6813@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
>
>>Irrespective of what you think of me, Pena had no chance of retaining the maillot jaune today, and
>>you know it.
>
>
> I don't know it and you don't know it. Who knows what the guy could've done if he hadn't had to
> waste himself going back to the team car and hauling 8-10 bottles back up to the peleton 4 or
> four times?
>
>

<flamebait>

hey cool thought if this really bothers you why not train REAL hard and try to make the team
yourself and then you can haul bottles for all of them.

</flamebait

Fred Marx
  
Ken Papai wrote:

> "Corey Green" <cgreen1@cinci.NOSPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:3hWPa.14809$zE.3135@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
>
>>That is ludicrous. Why would you change the team strategy for a three week race when the guy
>>got lucky and beat Lance in the time trial? The TEAM has prepared months for this race and
>>before anyone got close to France they knew what their role would be if they were chosen for
>>the TdF team.
>
> "Defend
>
>>where appropriate" was the term used by many interviewed - today it was
>
> not
>
>>appropriate to defend the jersey when a non-climber is wearing it.
>
>
> You are being TROLLED by Brian Trdina.
>
>

yeah kinda fun ain't it?

>
>
>>"hold my beer and watch this..." <trdina@dejazzd.com> wrote in message
>>news:6NVPa.229$lL.28197@nnrp1.ptd.net...
>>

Tom Kunich
  
Always someone who thinks that they can impress everyone with their lack of wit. And as usual it's
someone that couldn't ride within 30 minutes of Pena on a 2 mile climb.

"hold my beer and watch this..." <trdina@dejazzd.com> wrote in message
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>
> "jc6239" <coggs@verizon.net_nospam> wrote in message
> news:bAVPa.7074$Kw1.3015@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> > Going back for bottles made Pena fall behind 20 minutes on the
climb.
> Lance
> > should have waited for him so he could have stayed in Yellow. <g>
> >
>
> NO WAY MAN. ITS AN AMERICAN TEAM AND IT ALL ABOUT WINNING. PENA IS
NOTHING
> BUT A ***** WHO'S PAID TO DO RIDE FOR LANCE, NOTHING ELSE. WHO
CARES IF
> HE'S WEARING THE MOST IMPORTANT SYMBOL IN SPORT? TRADITION AND
CLASS ARE
> FOR LOSERS.
>
> GO LANCE JUST GO!!!!!!!

Benjamin Weiner
  
hold my beer and watch this... <trdina@dejazzd.com> wrote:

> "Corey Green" <cgreen1@cinci.NOSPAM.rr.com> wrote in message
> > Irrespective of what you think of me, Pena had no chance of retaining the maillot jaune today,
> > and you know it.

> I don't know it and you don't know it. Who knows what the guy could've done if he hadn't had to
> waste himself going back to the team car and hauling 8-10 bottles back up to the peleton 4 or
> four times?

Dude,

Okay, so this is a silly argument. But Pena is the guy who got kicked out of last year's Vuelta for
hanging on the team car on the Angliru. (Which seems to me like a perfectly reasonable response to
the Angliru, but I am not a UCI commissaire.) The guy is not a climber, and he doesn't usually get
over the last climb in the front group. Although today he would have had more reason to try.

Regardless, so far as I know Postal is known for two things:
1) Your place on the team is behind Lance and if you don't know your spot in line there
will be tears.
2) They apparently pay the riders on time.

Neither of these is particularly traditional. But apparently acceptable if everyone is clear on
the terms.

Want to start a good argument? Postal is lucky Pena was in the jersey and not Lance. If Lance
(sorry, LANCE) had been in the jersey, they would have had to burn a lot of candles closing the gap
on Virenque, letting him win the stage but defending the
MJ. Because, tradition aside, it would stick in LANCE's craw to hand his jersey over to
Tricky Dicky even for a day. As it is Postal's climbers are nice and fresh for the
Galibier and L'Alpe.

BTW, interesting that the MJ's destiny was set up by Quick-Step riding a better TTT than Mapei
usually managed.

Dave Clary
  
On 13 Jul 2003 00:22:44 -0800, Benjamin Weiner <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:

>Regardless, so far as I know Postal is known for two things:
>1) Your place on the team is behind Lance and if you don't know your spot in line there will be
> tears.
>2) They apparently pay the riders on time.
>
>Neither of these is particularly traditional.

#1 certainly isn't unprecedented. It were, Hinault wouldn't be
mentioned with the other five-time winners. He'd be tied with Lemond at four.

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Dominic Richens
  
hold my beer and watch this... wrote:

moron.

Suppose you tell us how you have mastered controlling the weather?
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