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Etxebarria's out?
I just heard that both Etxebarria's are out of the Tour because they finished too late. That is,
after adding the penalty time they were given because of stayering behind the team car. Sad day
after all for the Euskaltel team going into their mountains.
Erik
"Erik van Leeuwen" <erki@wanadoo.nl> wrote in news:3f185b78$0$45373 $1b62eedf@news.wanadoo.nl:
> I just heard that both Etxebarria's are out of the Tour because they finished too late. That is,
> after adding the penalty time they were given because of stayering behind the team car. Sad day
> after all for the Euskaltel team going into their mountains.
>
> Erik
You heard wrong. They both finished the TT
NS
They may have finished, but will they be starting tomorrow?
"Nev Shea" <spamtrap@garbage.net> wrote in message
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> "Erik van Leeuwen" <erki@wanadoo.nl> wrote in news:3f185b78$0$45373 $1b62eedf@news.wanadoo.nl:
>
> > I just heard that both Etxebarria's are out of the Tour because they finished too late. That is,
> > after adding the penalty time they were
given
> > because of stayering behind the team car. Sad day after all for the Euskaltel team going into
> > their mountains.
> >
> > Erik
>
>
> You heard wrong. They both finished the TT
>
> NS
Both are out. They were penalized for drafting and the penalties put them past the time cut for the
stage and, thus, were eliminated. Brutal.
per cyclingnews.com :
"David Etxebarria (Euskaltel): Fined SFR 100 and penalised 2'05 for drafting for 5 km at an average
speed of 41 km/h. Unai Etxebarria (Euskaltel): Fined SFR 100 and penalised 5'51 for drafting for 13
km at an average speed of 43 km/h.....
Riders David Etxebarria (Euskaltel) and Unai Etxebarria (Euskaltel) were given times of 1:14:59 and
1:14:49 respectively after their penalties, and were eliminated from the race. (Elimination time:
1:13:12). "
Link: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/jul03/jul19news
"Erik van Leeuwen" <erki@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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> They may have finished, but will they be starting tomorrow?
>
> "Nev Shea" <spamtrap@garbage.net> wrote in message
>
> > You heard wrong. They both finished the TT
> >
> > NS
In article <0V0Sa.163$ii2.67@fe2.columbus.rr.com>, Mark Hill <mhill@nospam.columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> Both are out. They were penalized for drafting and the penalties put them past the time cut for
> the stage and, thus, were eliminated. Brutal.
But look how long they were drafting! They've got no excuses for that.
-WG
>
> per cyclingnews.com :
>
> "David Etxebarria (Euskaltel): Fined SFR 100 and penalised 2'05 for drafting for 5 km at an
> average speed of 41 km/h. Unai Etxebarria (Euskaltel): Fined SFR 100 and penalised 5'51 for
> drafting for 13 km at an average speed of 43 km/h.....
>
> Riders David Etxebarria (Euskaltel) and Unai Etxebarria (Euskaltel) were given times of 1:14:59
> and 1:14:49 respectively after their penalties, and were eliminated from the race. (Elimination
> time: 1:13:12). "
>
> Link: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/jul03/jul19news
>
>
>
> "Erik van Leeuwen" <erki@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
> news:3f185ddb$0$45392$1b62eedf@news.wanadoo.nl...
> > They may have finished, but will they be starting tomorrow?
> >
> > "Nev Shea" <spamtrap@garbage.net> wrote in message
> >
> > > You heard wrong. They both finished the TT
> > >
> > > NS
> >
"warren" <warren@usvh.com> wrote in message news:180720031827156818%warren@usvh.com...
> In article <0V0Sa.163$ii2.67@fe2.columbus.rr.com>, Mark Hill <mhill@nospam.columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Both are out. They were penalized for drafting and the penalties put
them
> > past the time cut for the stage and, thus, were eliminated. Brutal.
>
> But look how long they were drafting! They've got no excuses for that.
>
> -WG
>
Oh definitely. 13K is just stupid. I meant brutal in that they only missed the time cut by about a
minute and a half....I didn't mean to say that the commissars should've bent the rules for laziness;
my goodness David was drafting to only go 41 kph! Mark
"Mark Hill" <mhill@nospam.columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Both are out. They were penalized for drafting and the penalties put them past the time cut for
> the stage and, thus, were eliminated. Brutal.
How about Glomser? was he penalized? On the TV he was shown drafting Botero for a loooong time...
probably 10 - 15 km!
- Mikkel
--
Mikkel Gybel Jensen http://home.tiscali.dk/~mgj http://www.pcarlp.dk (http://www.pcarlp.dk/) http://www.rumfart.dk (http://www.rumfart.dk/)
Mikkel Gybel Jensen wrote:
> How about Glomser? was he penalized? On the TV he was shown drafting Botero for a loooong time...
> probably 10 - 15 km!
Yes, he got the bighest penalty of the day, 6:43 for drafting 13 km at 44 km/h.
Dieter
Mark Hill wrote in message <0V0Sa.163$ii2.67@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
>>Unai Etxebarria (Euskaltel): Fined SFR 100 and penalised 5'51 for drafting
>for 13 km at an average speed of 43 km/h.....
How do riders think they can get away with drafting on a car for 13 km? It is hardly subtle.
Nev Shea wrote:
> You heard wrong. They both finished the TT
They both finished, but they were both HD, outside the time limit and hence eliminated. HD on a
mid-length ITT is unusual.
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 09:25:17 +1200, Stewart Fleming wrote:
>
>
> Nev Shea wrote:
>
>> You heard wrong. They both finished the TT
>
> They both finished, but they were both HD, outside the time limit and hence eliminated. HD on a
> mid-length ITT is unusual.
Not if you're packing a ten minute penalty apiece.
I personally though it a little harsh to eliminate them.
The penalty could have been applied to GC time and left the lads in the race.
In article <pan.2003.07.20.22.29.01.267349@hotmail.com>, "Davey Crockett" <DC@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 09:25:17 +1200, Stewart Fleming wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Nev Shea wrote:
> >
> >> You heard wrong. They both finished the TT
> >
> > They both finished, but they were both HD, outside the time limit and hence eliminated. HD on a
> > mid-length ITT is unusual.
>
> Not if you're packing a ten minute penalty apiece.
>
> I personally though it a little harsh to eliminate them.
I don't. They were drafting. That's a cardinal sin in a TT. The only possible reason for being
lenient is that they weren't GC contenders, but I don't think that you should have one rule
for riders who have ambitions in a stage and one rule for riders who are just trying to make
the time cut.
> The penalty could have been applied to GC time and left the lads in the race.
Yeah, but then every domestique might start leech drafting in TTs, and soon the whole stage would
degenerate into a circus except for the top five on GC.
--
Ryan Cousineau, rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:25:55 -0700, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote:
>In article <pan.2003.07.20.22.29.01.267349@hotmail.com>, "Davey Crockett" <DC@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 09:25:17 +1200, Stewart Fleming wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Nev Shea wrote:
>> >
>> >> You heard wrong. They both finished the TT
>> >
>> > They both finished, but they were both HD, outside the time limit and hence eliminated. HD on a
>> > mid-length ITT is unusual.
>>
>> Not if you're packing a ten minute penalty apiece.
>>
>> I personally though it a little harsh to eliminate them.
>
>I don't. They were drafting. That's a cardinal sin in a TT. The only possible reason for being
>lenient is that they weren't GC contenders, but I don't think that you should have one rule for
>riders who have ambitions in a stage and one rule for riders who are just trying to make the
>time cut.
Agreed Ryan. This is why Le Tour retains a shred of dignity and the other grand tours are somewhat
laughable. These two obviously thought they were in the Vuelta where a blind eye is often turned on
this type of behavior.
The Giro is also suspect of such silliness. Anyone remember the Giro organizers chopping off a
mountain stage just to help Moser win, IIR?
>
>> The penalty could have been applied to GC time and left the lads in the race.
>
>Yeah, but then every domestique might start leech drafting in TTs, and soon the whole stage would
>degenerate into a circus except for the top five on GC.
Spot on, again. Make the athletes fully earn their finish in Paris......
...or send them packing.
g.
le gopheur de chuckhole wrote:
> The Giro is also suspect of such silliness. Anyone remember the Giro organizers chopping off a
> mountain stage just to help Moser win, IIR?
>
But in the Tour there was that time Lapize.....
Seriously, at least you could come up with an example in a year when most of the people on the
planet had actually been born.
Dan
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 01:51:09 GMT, Daniel Connelly <djconnel@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>
>le gopheur de chuckhole wrote:
>> The Giro is also suspect of such silliness. Anyone remember the Giro organizers chopping off a
>> mountain stage just to help Moser win, IIR?
>>
>
>But in the Tour there was that time Lapize.....
>
>Seriously, at least you could come up with an example in a year when most of the people on the
>planet had actually been born.
>
Hmmmmmm. My bad. I guess I thought 1984 qualified as a recent Giro example. I know I was born before
that year. My guess is you made that cutoff too.
And FYI, Francesco Moser's still alive for cripes sakes. At least bother to google before you make
an **** of yourself.....
...or not, for the greater amusement of rbr.
g.
BTW, since you're still probably too lazy to google, the mountain stage was cut so a french guy,
Larry FigNewton, wouldn't beat the Italian Moser for GC.
"le gopheur de chuckhole" <gopher@theLoveBoat.com>
>
> BTW, since you're still probably too lazy to google, the mountain stage was cut so a french guy,
> Larry FigNewton, wouldn't beat the Italian Moser for GC.
>
I thought his name was Filet Mignon.
"Dieter Buerssner" <buers@gmx.de> wrote in message
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> Yes, he got the bighest penalty of the day, 6:43 for drafting 13 km at 44 km/h.
Well deserved that was...!
- Mikkel
--
Mikkel Gybel Jensen http://home.tiscali.dk/~mgj http://www.pcarlp.dk (http://www.pcarlp.dk/) http://www.rumfart.dk (http://www.rumfart.dk/)
"Edward Waffle" <xyz_mtn_123@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Mark Hill wrote in message <0V0Sa.163$ii2.67@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
> >>Unai Etxebarria (Euskaltel): Fined SFR 100 and penalised 5'51 for drafting
> >for 13 km at an average speed of 43 km/h.....
>
> How do riders think they can get away with drafting on a car for 13 km? It is hardly subtle.
Nor's drafting behind another rider - which is what UE was doing, IIRC. He wasn't expecting to get
away with it, he just wanted to save a bit of energy and hoped not to be penalised that much /
wasn't expecting Ullrich to be that brilliant.
Peter
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