USPS only spends 6 million a year on Team Lance

Didier A. Depir

Tony Austn <k55@pacbell.net_screw_spam> wrote:
> Write your Congressman and Senator; (No, the post office isn't really a private institution), This
> investment is fine with me.

What would happen if Lance won his fifth, and wanted to race the TdF again next year, and USPS
finally pulled the plug on the whole sponsorship deal? Would someone take over the whole team as is?
I personally can't imagine USPS sponsoring cycling for another year, with 2 billion $ of deficit,
and a president who is asking for more fiscal responsability. Before you know it, all the hicks are
going to clamor about part of the price of a stamp going into sponsoring something like cycling.

Didier

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Carl Sundquist

"Didier A. Depireux" <didier@rai.isr.umd.edu> wrote in message
>
> What would happen if Lance won his fifth, and wanted to race the TdF again next year, and USPS
> finally pulled the plug on the whole sponsorship deal?

I can't imagine USPS pulling the plug on a potential record breaking TdF effort by Lance. The
fallout would be huge.

Another thread said that OLN's numbers are doing really, really well for the race.

Dashi Toshii

Bill Davidson

Tony Austn wrote:
> Write your Congressman and Senator; (No, the post office isn't really a private institution), This
> investment is fine with me.
>
> http://www.postalwatch.org/news2003/2003_07_10_usps_response.htm

According to usps.com, USPS is not supported by tax money so either there are some innacuracies in
that article or USPS is lying.

USPS lost 676 million in 2002. Insead of whining about 6 million in adverstising, I think they
should be more concerned about the other 670 million.

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J Jones

"Dashi Toshii" <Toshii@Jpn.com> wrote in message news:et6dnVDBi89qXoCiXTWJkw@comcast.com...
>
> "Didier A. Depireux" <didier@rai.isr.umd.edu> wrote in message
> news:bfkf03$lhn$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
> > Tony Austn <k55@pacbell.net_screw_spam> wrote:
> > > Write your Congressman and Senator; (No, the post office isn't really
a
> > > private institution), This investment is fine with me.
> >
> > What would happen if Lance won his fifth, and wanted to race the TdF
again
> > next year, and USPS finally pulled the plug on the whole sponsorship
deal?
> > Would someone take over the whole team as is? I personally can't imagine USPS sponsoring cycling
> > for another year,
with
> 2
> > billion $ of deficit, and
>
> a president who is asking for more fiscal
> > responsability.
>
> That's a joke, right?
>
> G.W. has blown the US economy into the doldrums, his fiscal responsibility amounted to giving the
> rich a tax cut.
>
> Dashii

Your democratic party handbook is in terrible need of some new pages. Is there no Democrat with an
original/new thought? Jeff

Dave Allar

I'm not sure where the numbers came from, but check this article.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=reu-uspostal&prov=reuters&type=lgns

Dave

"Bill Davidson" <billdav@cox.nospam.net> wrote in message news:_ZjTa.19970$Ne.5539@fed1read03...
> Tony Austn wrote:
> > Write your Congressman and Senator; (No, the post office isn't really a private institution),
> > This investment is fine with me.
> >
> > http://www.postalwatch.org/news2003/2003_07_10_usps_response.htm
>
> According to usps.com, USPS is not supported by tax money so either there are some innacuracies in
> that article or USPS is lying.
>
> USPS lost 676 million in 2002. Insead of whining about 6 million in adverstising, I think they
> should be more concerned about the other 670 million.
>
> --Bill Davidson
> --
> Please remove ".nospam" from my address for email replies.
>
> I'm a 17 year veteran of usenet -- you'd think I'd be over it by now

Dashi Toshii

"J Jones" <nfw@spammers.net> wrote in message news:mJjTa.5649$3I1.3463@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com...
> "Dashi Toshii" <Toshii@Jpn.com> wrote in message news:et6dnVDBi89qXoCiXTWJkw@comcast.com...
> >
> > "Didier A. Depireux" <didier@rai.isr.umd.edu> wrote in message
> > news:bfkf03$lhn$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
> > > Tony Austn <k55@pacbell.net_screw_spam> wrote:
> > > > Write your Congressman and Senator; (No, the post office isn't
really
> a
> > > > private institution), This investment is fine with me.
> > >
> > > What would happen if Lance won his fifth, and wanted to race the TdF
> again
> > > next year, and USPS finally pulled the plug on the whole sponsorship
> deal?
> > > Would someone take over the whole team as is? I personally can't imagine USPS sponsoring
> > > cycling for another year,
> with
> > 2
> > > billion $ of deficit, and
> >
> > a president who is asking for more fiscal
> > > responsability.
> >
> > That's a joke, right?
> >
> > G.W. has blown the US economy into the doldrums, his fiscal
responsibility
> > amounted to giving the rich a tax cut.
> >
> > Dashii
>
> Your democratic party handbook is in terrible need of some new pages. Is there no Democrat with an
> original/new thought? Jeff

I'm no Democrat either.

Independent thinker. Don't need no steenkin' political party to tell me what to think.

Dashii

J Jones

"Dashi Toshii" <Toshii@Jpn.com> wrote in message news:K9CcnYZZirRQUYCiU-KYgg@comcast.com...
>
> "J Jones" <nfw@spammers.net> wrote in message news:mJjTa.5649$3I1.3463@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > "Dashi Toshii" <Toshii@Jpn.com> wrote in message news:et6dnVDBi89qXoCiXTWJkw@comcast.com...
> > >
> > > "Didier A. Depireux" <didier@rai.isr.umd.edu> wrote in message
> > > news:bfkf03$lhn$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
> > > > Tony Austn <k55@pacbell.net_screw_spam> wrote:
> > > > > Write your Congressman and Senator; (No, the post office isn't
> really
> > a
> > > > > private institution), This investment is fine with me.
> > > >
> > > > What would happen if Lance won his fifth, and wanted to race the TdF
> > again
> > > > next year, and USPS finally pulled the plug on the whole sponsorship
> > deal?
> > > > Would someone take over the whole team as is? I personally can't imagine USPS sponsoring
> > > > cycling for another year,
> > with
> > > 2
> > > > billion $ of deficit, and
> > >
> > > a president who is asking for more fiscal
> > > > responsability.
> > >
> > > That's a joke, right?
> > >
> > > G.W. has blown the US economy into the doldrums, his fiscal
> responsibility
> > > amounted to giving the rich a tax cut.
> > >
> > > Dashii
> >
> > Your democratic party handbook is in terrible need of some new pages.
Is
> > there no Democrat with an original/new thought? Jeff
>
> I'm no Democrat either.
Right.

> Independent thinker. Don't need no steenkin' political party to tell me
what
> to think.
Right.

Thanks for clarifying for me. Jeff

>
> Dashii
> >
> >
>

Sam

Side note: Bush is not really seeking fiscal responsibility...

"Didier A. Depireux" <didier@rai.isr.umd.edu> wrote in message
news:bfkf03$lhn$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
> Tony Austn <k55@pacbell.net_screw_spam> wrote:
> > Write your Congressman and Senator; (No, the post office isn't really a private institution),
> > This investment is fine with me.
>
> What would happen if Lance won his fifth, and wanted to race the TdF again next year, and USPS
> finally pulled the plug on the whole sponsorship deal? Would someone take over the whole team as
> is? I personally can't imagine USPS sponsoring cycling for another year, with
2
> billion $ of deficit, and a president who is asking for more fiscal responsability. Before you
> know it, all the hicks are going to clamor
about
> part of the price of a stamp going into sponsoring something like cycling.
>
> Didier
>
> --
> Didier A Depireux ddepi001@umaryland.edu didier@isr.umd.edu 685 W.Baltimore Str
> http://neurobiology.umaryland.edu/depireux.htm Anatomy and Neurobiology Phone: 410-706-1272 (off)
> University of Maryland -1273 (lab) Baltimore MD 21201 USA Fax: 1-410-706-2512

Just A Cyclist

"Didier A. Depireux" <didier@rai.isr.umd.edu> wrote in message
news:bfkf03$lhn$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
> Tony Austn <k55@pacbell.net_screw_spam> wrote:
> > Write your Congressman and Senator; (No, the post office isn't really a private institution),
> > This investment is fine with me.
>
> What would happen if Lance won his fifth, and wanted to race the TdF again next year, and USPS
> finally pulled the plug on the whole sponsorship deal?
I'm sure they would find another sponsor.........but the contract says tell 2004...........they
would have to pay more to get out of the contract!
> Would someone take over the whole team as is? I personally can't imagine USPS sponsoring cycling
> for another year, with
2
> billion $ of deficit, and a president who is asking for more fiscal responsability.
Well a contract was signed.................. Before you know it, all the hicks are going to
clamor about
> part of the price of a stamp going into sponsoring something like cycling.
>
> Didier
>
> --
> Didier A Depireux ddepi001@umaryland.edu didier@isr.umd.edu 685 W.Baltimore Str
> http://neurobiology.umaryland.edu/depireux.htm Anatomy and Neurobiology Phone: 410-706-1272 (off)
> University of Maryland -1273 (lab) Baltimore MD 21201 USA Fax: 1-410-706-2512

Just A Cyclist

"Dashi Toshii" <Toshii@Jpn.com> wrote in message news:K9CcnYZZirRQUYCiU-KYgg@comcast.com...
>
> "J Jones" <nfw@spammers.net> wrote in message news:mJjTa.5649$3I1.3463@fe03.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > "Dashi Toshii" <Toshii@Jpn.com> wrote in message news:et6dnVDBi89qXoCiXTWJkw@comcast.com...
> > >
> > > "Didier A. Depireux" <didier@rai.isr.umd.edu> wrote in message
> > > news:bfkf03$lhn$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
> > > > Tony Austn <k55@pacbell.net_screw_spam> wrote:
> > > > > Write your Congressman and Senator; (No, the post office isn't
> really
> > a
> > > > > private institution), This investment is fine with me.
> > > >
> > > > What would happen if Lance won his fifth, and wanted to race the TdF
> > again
> > > > next year, and USPS finally pulled the plug on the whole sponsorship
> > deal?
> > > > Would someone take over the whole team as is? I personally can't imagine USPS sponsoring
> > > > cycling for another year,
> > with
> > > 2
> > > > billion $ of deficit, and
> > >
> > > a president who is asking for more fiscal
> > > > responsability.
> > >
> > > That's a joke, right?
> > >
> > > G.W. has blown the US economy into the doldrums, his fiscal
> responsibility
> > > amounted to giving the rich a tax cut.
> > >
> > > Dashii
> >
> > Your democratic party handbook is in terrible need of some new pages.
Is
> > there no Democrat with an original/new thought? Jeff
>
> I'm no Democrat either.
>
> Independent thinker. Don't need no steenkin' political party to tell me
what
> to think.
>
> Dashii

No you don't..........and it shows.................stay independent.........they need you
> >
> >
>

Kurgan Gringion

"J Jones" <nfw@spammers.net> wrote in message news:EYjTa.3007$H73.1973@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > > >
> > > > G.W. has blown the US economy into the doldrums, his fiscal
> > responsibility
> > > > amounted to giving the rich a tax cut.
> > > >
> > > > Dashii
> > >
> > > Your democratic party handbook is in terrible need of some new pages.
> Is
> > > there no Democrat with an original/new thought? Jeff
> >
> > I'm no Democrat either.
> Right.

Actually, certain fiscal conservatives are not too happy with the Bush Admin on budgetary issues.

The size of the federal budget has gone up considerably with things like a Cabinet-level Department
of Homeland Security and that's not even factoring in the War in Iraq. How does the Administration
pay for that?

Bush has cut taxes which means that the government will have to borrow. When the government borrows,
there is less money available for business capital investment.

Unless you're a socialist, you realize that capital investment and the resultant productivity gains
are what makes an economy grow, not underfunded government spending.

Davey Crockett

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:04:54 +0000, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

>
> "J Jones" <nfw@spammers.net> wrote in message news:EYjTa.3007$H73.1973@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com...
>> > > >
>> > > > G.W. has blown the US economy into the doldrums, his fiscal
>> > responsibility
>> > > > amounted to giving the rich a tax cut.
>> > > >
>> > > > Dashii
>> > >
>> > > Your democratic party handbook is in terrible need of some new pages.
>> Is
>> > > there no Democrat with an original/new thought? Jeff
>> >
>> > I'm no Democrat either.
>> Right.
>
>
>
> Actually, certain fiscal conservatives are not too happy with the Bush Admin on budgetary issues.
>
> The size of the federal budget has gone up considerably with things like a Cabinet-level
> Department of Homeland Security and that's not even factoring in the War in Iraq. How does the
> Administration pay for that?
>
> Bush has cut taxes which means that the government will have to borrow. When the government
> borrows, there is less money available for business capital investment.
>
> Unless you're a socialist, you realize that capital investment and the resultant productivity
> gains are what makes an economy grow, not underfunded government spending.

Right on Dude.

The poor proletariate will be paying for the Afghanistan/Iraq massacres for years to come.

But notwitstanding anything Greenspan might advocate, Gorgeous George has got his proverbial Tits in
the Wringer and will take the usual way out if the economy nose dives much more.

Reduce the interest rate and/or increase the money supply.

The latter of course leads to more inflation.

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Gosh, if attacking sponsorship of Lance Armstrong is the Democractic strategy then we can be assured
of having GWB back again. LOL.

J Jones wrote:

> "Dashi Toshii" <Toshii@Jpn.com> wrote in message news:et6dnVDBi89qXoCiXTWJkw@comcast.com...
> >
> > "Didier A. Depireux" <didier@rai.isr.umd.edu> wrote in message
> > news:bfkf03$lhn$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
> > > Tony Austn <k55@pacbell.net_screw_spam> wrote:
> > > > Write your Congressman and Senator; (No, the post office isn't really
> a
> > > > private institution), This investment is fine with me.
> > >
> > > What would happen if Lance won his fifth, and wanted to race the TdF
> again
> > > next year, and USPS finally pulled the plug on the whole sponsorship
> deal?
> > > Would someone take over the whole team as is? I personally can't imagine USPS sponsoring
> > > cycling for another year,
> with
> > 2
> > > billion $ of deficit, and
> >
> > a president who is asking for more fiscal
> > > responsability.
> >
> > That's a joke, right?
> >
> > G.W. has blown the US economy into the doldrums, his fiscal responsibility amounted to giving
> > the rich a tax cut.
> >
> > Dashii
>
> Your democratic party handbook is in terrible need of some new pages. Is there no Democrat with an
> original/new thought? Jeff

Java Man

In article <WalTa.33461$8g6.344967@news1.news.adelphia.net>,
kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com says...
> Unless you're a socialist, you realize that capital investment and the resultant productivity
> gains are what makes an economy grow, not underfunded government spending.
>
Just relax--think of it as an investment in better relationships with the French.

;-)

Rick

Clovis Lark

Bill Davidson <billdav@cox.nospam.net> wrote:
> Tony Austn wrote:
>> Write your Congressman and Senator; (No, the post office isn't really a private institution),
>> This investment is fine with me.
>>
>> http://www.postalwatch.org/news2003/2003_07_10_usps_response.htm

> According to usps.com, USPS is not supported by tax money so either there are some innacuracies in
> that article or USPS is lying.

> USPS lost 676 million in 2002. Insead of whining about 6 million in adverstising, I think they
> should be more concerned about the other 670 million.

They could recoup a lot of this were they to establish express mail set ups at US airports where
people are told they cannot board with fingernail clippers, pocket knives, etc. Having these pouched
available at security points would garner plenty dough and help frustrated passengers.

> --Bill Davidson
> --
> Please remove ".nospam" from my address for email replies.

> I'm a 17 year veteran of usenet -- you'd think I'd be over it by now

Rachid

Lance would be one of the most legendary cyclists in history if he wins a consecutive 5th. Even if
he doesn't win he is still the world's preemminent tour rider. He just signed a 5 year, 12 million
dollar contract with Subaru. There would be a line of companies out the door to sponsor him if US
Postal drops the team this year.

> What would happen if Lance won his fifth, and wanted to race the TdF again next year, and USPS
> finally pulled the plug on the whole sponsorship deal? Would someone take over the whole team as
> is? I personally can't imagine USPS sponsoring cycling for another year, with 2 billion $ of
> deficit, and a president who is asking for more fiscal responsability. Before you know it, all the
> hicks are going to clamor about part of the price of a stamp going into sponsoring something like
> cycling.
>
> Didier

Swanger

Side note: fiscal responsibility by definition is a total joke.

"Sam" <marathonman@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:bfkj4v$a61$1@slb9.atl.mindspring.net...
> Side note: Bush is not really seeking fiscal responsibility...
>
>
> "Didier A. Depireux" <didier@rai.isr.umd.edu> wrote in message
> news:bfkf03$lhn$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
> > Tony Austn <k55@pacbell.net_screw_spam> wrote:
> > > Write your Congressman and Senator; (No, the post office isn't really
a
> > > private institution), This investment is fine with me.
> >
> > What would happen if Lance won his fifth, and wanted to race the TdF
again
> > next year, and USPS finally pulled the plug on the whole sponsorship
deal?
> > Would someone take over the whole team as is? I personally can't imagine USPS sponsoring cycling
> > for another year,
with
> 2
> > billion $ of deficit, and a president who is asking for more fiscal responsability. Before you
> > know it, all the hicks are going to clamor
> about
> > part of the price of a stamp going into sponsoring something like
cycling.
> >
> > Didier
> >
> > --
> > Didier A Depireux ddepi001@umaryland.edu didier@isr.umd.edu 685 W.Baltimore Str
> > http://neurobiology.umaryland.edu/depireux.htm Anatomy and Neurobiology Phone: 410-706-1272
> > (off) University of Maryland -1273 (lab) Baltimore MD 21201 USA Fax: 1-410-706-2512

Davey Crockett

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 22:28:21 -0700, Rachid wrote:

> Lance would be one of the most legendary cyclists in history if he wins a consecutive 5th. Even if
> he doesn't win he is still the world's preemminent tour rider. He just signed a 5 year, 12 million
> dollar contract with Subaru. There would be a line of companies out the door to sponsor him if US
> Postal drops the team this year.
>
>> What would happen if Lance won his fifth, and wanted to race the TdF again next year, and USPS
>> finally pulled the plug on the whole sponsorship deal? Would someone take over the whole team as
>> is? I personally can't imagine USPS sponsoring cycling for another year, with 2 billion $ of
>> deficit, and a president who is asking for more fiscal responsability. Before you know it, all
>> the hicks are going to clamor about part of the price of a stamp going into sponsoring something
>> like cycling.
>>
>> Didier

I'm not exactly sure how long USPS are committed for, but certainly for next year as they have
already contracted Slava Yekimov

But it is in fact an interesting question. The team is a bit pricey I would think for most potential
sponsors, but a deal with Bianchi could be one possibility although I think Armstrong likes Spain
better these days
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