Ullrich and his team vehicle
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P & P kept repeating that Ullrich seemed to indicate that he wanted his DS to keep a greater
distance behind him. They said this over and over, yet said nothing about the moto camera that was
closer to Ullrich than the team car at times.
WTF?
Zoom lenses make it appear this way.
"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
news:vi577t3cbee887@corp.supernews.com...
> P & P kept repeating that Ullrich seemed to indicate that he wanted his DS to keep a greater
> distance behind him. They said this over and over, yet said nothing about the moto camera that was
> closer to Ullrich than the
team
> car at times.
>
> WTF?
Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> P & P kept repeating that Ullrich seemed to indicate that he wanted his DS to keep a greater
> distance behind him. They said this over and over, yet said nothing about the moto camera that was
> closer to Ullrich than the team car at times.
>
> WTF?
A biker man such as yourself should realize that the moto is more maneuverable than a car and
doesn't take up the whole road between the spectators behind the cyclist.
This is another forged troll, right? ;-)
I saw Ullrich telling the vehicle with his hand at least 4 times to back off. It *never* did.
they were just giving him some added incentive to stay upright...
"David Ryan" <bikerpackman@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3F22A1AC.B15628F5@hotmail.com...
> Carl Sundquist wrote:
> >
> > P & P kept repeating that Ullrich seemed to indicate that he wanted his
DS
> > to keep a greater distance behind him. They said this over and over, yet said nothing about the
> > moto camera that was closer to Ullrich than the
team
> > car at times.
> >
> > WTF?
>
> A biker man such as yourself should realize that the moto is more maneuverable than a car and
> doesn't take up the whole road between the spectators behind the cyclist.
>
> This is another forged troll, right? ;-)
RZ wrote:
> Zoom lenses make it appear this way.
>
>
Zoom lenses had nothing to do with it as there was a 2nd camera showing the separation of only a few
feet between JU and the Bianchi car ...
Yes, the team car was too close. I meant the moto camera appeared close because of its zoom.
"David Corsi" <dcorsi@pleaseremove.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:9dxUa.133809$GL4.34884@rwcrnsc53...
> I saw Ullrich telling the vehicle with his hand at least 4 times to back off. It *never* did.
"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
news:vi577t3cbee887@corp.supernews.com...
> P & P kept repeating that Ullrich seemed to indicate that he wanted his DS to keep a greater
> distance behind him. They said this over and over, yet said nothing about the moto camera that was
> closer to Ullrich than the
team
> car at times.
>
> WTF?
I don't listen to Paul & Phil and my interpretation of Ullrich's hand waving was to tell the moto to
stay back further, not the team car. When he fell at the roundabout the moto stopped pretty close
and that wasn't a zoom lens thing. When I saw the team car scoot in I thought Pevenage was trying to
force the moto back.
"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
news:vi577t3cbee887@corp.supernews.com...
> P & P kept repeating that Ullrich seemed to indicate that he wanted his DS to keep a greater
> distance behind him. They said this over and over, yet said nothing about the moto camera that was
> closer to Ullrich than the
team
> car at times.
>
> WTF?
>
Someone else noted the effects of the zoom lens. You would think he would get the response he
wanted from his team car. It made me think about just how confident riders of that caliber are
since those cars are far closer than I ever want a car to be to me!
"David Ryan" <bikerpackman@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3F22A1AC.B15628F5@hotmail.com...
> Carl Sundquist wrote:
> >
> > P & P kept repeating that Ullrich seemed to indicate that he wanted his
DS
> > to keep a greater distance behind him. They said this over and over, yet said nothing about the
> > moto camera that was closer to Ullrich than the
team
> > car at times.
> >
> > WTF?
>
> A biker man such as yourself should realize that the moto is more maneuverable than a car and
> doesn't take up the whole road between the spectators behind the cyclist.
>
> This is another forged troll, right? ;-)
I don't know how much more maneuverable a moto (with 2 riders and a camera) would be than a 4
wheeled vehicle in wet, slippery conditions. If a bicycle could lose the front end on a slippery
surface, so could a moto. We've certainly seen them have their moments in Paris Roubaix.
David Corsi wrote:
> I saw Ullrich telling the vehicle with his hand at least 4 times to back off. It *never* did.
>
>
Looked like they were crowding him intentionally. No other reason I could see. If he had fallen,
they wouldn't have lost anything by staying 10-20 meters back.
Really stupid, IMO
Zeno
RZ <rz@inv.invalid> wrote:
> Yes, the team car was too close. I meant the moto camera appeared close because of its zoom.
The only thing I could think of was that they were trying to "push" him up the road by getting him
to ride away from the car. Pretty silly.
> "David Corsi" <dcorsi@pleaseremove.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:9dxUa.133809$GL4.34884@rwcrnsc53...
>> I saw Ullrich telling the vehicle with his hand at least 4 times to back off. It *never* did.
>
"Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message news:3f22a3c4$0$1933$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
>
> "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
> news:vi577t3cbee887@corp.supernews.com...
> > P & P kept repeating that Ullrich seemed to indicate that he wanted his
DS
> > to keep a greater distance behind him. They said this over and over, yet said nothing about the
> > moto camera that was closer to Ullrich than the
> team
> > car at times.
> >
> > WTF?
>
> I don't listen to Paul & Phil and my interpretation of Ullrich's hand
waving
> was to tell the moto to stay back further, not the team car.
He was waving at the car.
Dude was probably worried about getting rear-ended since he was braking hard and taking turns very
slow after his crash.
Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> "David Ryan" <bikerpackman@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3F22A1AC.B15628F5@hotmail.com...
> > Carl Sundquist wrote:
> > >
> > > P & P kept repeating that Ullrich seemed to indicate that he wanted his
> DS
> > > to keep a greater distance behind him. They said this over and over, yet said nothing about
> > > the moto camera that was closer to Ullrich than the
> team
> > > car at times.
> > >
> > > WTF?
> >
> > A biker man such as yourself should realize that the moto is more maneuverable than a car and
> > doesn't take up the whole road between the spectators behind the cyclist.
> >
> > This is another forged troll, right? ;-)
>
> I don't know how much more maneuverable a moto (with 2 riders and a camera) would be than a 4
> wheeled vehicle in wet, slippery conditions. If a bicycle could lose the front end on a slippery
> surface, so could a moto. We've certainly seen them have their moments in Paris Roubaix.
A car had zero maneuverability between the crowds.
Clovis Lark wrote:
>
> RZ <rz@inv.invalid> wrote:
> > Yes, the team car was too close. I meant the moto camera appeared close because of its zoom.
>
> The only thing I could think of was that they were trying to "push" him up the road by getting him
> to ride away from the car. Pretty silly.
Nice theory. I have a better one. They may have been using the car to intimidate the crowds lining
the road to give him a wider berth more quickly.
> > "David Corsi" <dcorsi@pleaseremove.comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:9dxUa.133809$GL4.34884@rwcrnsc53...
> >> I saw Ullrich telling the vehicle with his hand at least 4 times to back off. It *never* did.
> >>
"Sam" <marathonman@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> Someone else noted the effects of the zoom lens. You would think he
would
> get the response he wanted from his team car. It made me think about just how confident riders of
> that caliber are since those cars are far closer than I ever want a car to be to me!
>
Pevenage must have graduated from the Cees Priem School of Driving.
"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in news:vi5fc69g885db0 @corp.supernews.com:
>
> "Sam" <marathonman@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> Someone else noted the effects of the zoom lens. You would think he
> would
>> get the response he wanted from his team car. It made me think about just how confident riders of
>> that caliber are since those cars are far closer than I ever want a car to be to me!
>>
>
> Pevenage must have graduated from the Cees Priem School of Driving.
LOL. For the ininformed Cees Priem was the guy who ran over Jesper Skibby a few years back at, I
think, LBL? It might even have been Flanders. Anyway he got sued by Skibby for damages and lost.
IIRC, he had to pay Skibby quite a bit for medical expenses, lost wages, etc.
- Boyd S.
"Boyd Speerschneider" <bspeerscNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93C494204A667bspeerscNOSPAM@65.32.1.8...
> "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in news:vi5fc69g885db0 @corp.supernews.com:
>
> >
> > "Sam" <marathonman@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> Someone else noted the effects of the zoom lens. You would think he
> > would
> >> get the response he wanted from his team car. It made me think about
just
> >> how confident riders of that caliber are since those cars are far
closer
> >> than I ever want a car to be to me!
> >>
> >
> > Pevenage must have graduated from the Cees Priem School of Driving.
>
> LOL. For the ininformed Cees Priem was the guy who ran over Jesper Skibby a few years back at, I
> think, LBL? It might even have been Flanders. Anyway he got sued by Skibby for damages and lost.
> IIRC, he had to pay Skibby quite a bit for medical expenses, lost wages,
etc.
>
It was Scott Sunderland at the Amstel in '98 IIRC. The case is still in court, as Priem keeps
appealing.
Jeff
"Jeff Jones" <jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com> wrote in message
> >
> It was Scott Sunderland at the Amstel in '98 IIRC. The case is still in court, as Priem keeps
> appealing.
>
Interestingly, given that D. Millar seems to be a bit of a drama-boy, that he didn't file suit
against the driver of the car that ran over his leg on the Angliru last year.
Perhaps the laws in Spain are not so pro-plaintiff in a civil lawsuit?
"Boyd Speerschneider" <bspeerscNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93C494204A667bspeerscNOSPAM@65.32.1.8...
> "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in news:vi5fc69g885db0 @corp.supernews.com:
>
> >
> > "Sam" <marathonman@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> >> Someone else noted the effects of the zoom lens. You would think he
> > would
> >> get the response he wanted from his team car. It made me think about
just
> >> how confident riders of that caliber are since those cars are far
closer
> >> than I ever want a car to be to me!
> >>
> >
> > Pevenage must have graduated from the Cees Priem School of Driving.
>
> LOL. For the ininformed Cees Priem was the guy who ran over Jesper Skibby a few years back at, I
> think, LBL? It might even have been Flanders. Anyway he got sued by Skibby for damages and lost.
> IIRC, he had to pay Skibby quite a bit for medical expenses, lost wages,
etc.
Skibby didn't get run over, his bike did, after he fell, by the UCI vehicle, on the Koppenberg,
at Flanders.
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