Slamming Jan
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This is from the race's official website:
http://www.letour.com/2003/us/index.html
The scene was set for a fun showdown for stage honors. But Ullrich made two mistakes today. He
crashed out of his challenge for a second stage win in the 2003 event; and it's highly likely that
he did this because he chose to stay in bed and watch a video tape of the course instead of doing a
reconnaissance ride as Armstrong did at 8.30 in the morning. How can you judge what pace is safe on
a treacherous turn when you've only seen it on television?
<snip>
It is a legitimate question, but I'm surprised to see that on the official website.
would have had a shot at winning the stage itself.
"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> The scene was set for a fun showdown for stage honors. But Ullrich made
two
> mistakes today. He crashed out of his challenge for a second stage win in the 2003 event; and it's
> highly likely that he did this because he chose
to
> stay in bed and watch a video tape of the course instead of doing a reconnaissance ride as
> Armstrong did at 8.30 in the morning. How can you judge what pace is safe on a treacherous turn
> when you've only seen it on television?
>
I doubt he automatically would have been able to judge pace by sitting in the passenger seat of a
car or even pre riding the course several months ago, unless it was raining then, too. The changes
in the physical characteristics of the road (wet grip) and sitting in an enclosed 4 wheeled vehicle
differ too much from riding a bike in similar conditions to get a grasp of the edge of safe riding
speeds that Jan needed yesterday.
That said, it wouldn't have hurt Jan to have driven the course yesterday. IMO, there is useful
information you could gather by driving the course such as anticipating the direction of
upcoming turns or noteworthy paint stripes, I just don't think it would have prevented the fall
that did occur.
"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > The scene was set for a fun showdown for stage honors. But Ullrich made
> two
> > mistakes today. He crashed out of his challenge for a second stage win
in
> > the 2003 event; and it's highly likely that he did this because he chose
> to
> > stay in bed and watch a video tape of the course instead of doing a reconnaissance ride as
> > Armstrong did at 8.30 in the morning. How can you judge what pace is safe on a treacherous turn
> > when you've only seen it
on
> > television?
> >
>
> I doubt he automatically would have been able to judge pace by sitting in the passenger seat of a
> car or even pre riding the course several months ago, unless it was raining then, too. The changes
> in the physical characteristics of the road (wet grip) and sitting in an enclosed 4
wheeled
> vehicle differ too much from riding a bike in similar conditions to get a grasp of the edge of
> safe riding speeds that Jan needed yesterday.
>
> That said, it wouldn't have hurt Jan to have driven the course yesterday. IMO, there is useful
> information you could gather by driving the course
such
> as anticipating the direction of upcoming turns or noteworthy paint
stripes,
> I just don't think it would have prevented the fall that did occur.
Didn't Armstrong ride it? Reread the snippet from letour.com
Kurgan Gringioni <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >instead of doing a reconnaissance ride as Armstrong did at 8.30 in the morning.
>
> Didn't Armstrong ride it? Reread the snippet from letour.com
No, he went round in the team car. Did you read it on the same site that said Stage 19 was a TTT?
Alan.
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Talent wise Ullrich probably has more than Lance but it been painfully obvious that Lance still
works a hell of a lot harder than Jan. He needs to dump is Director and sign on with Barney Rice.
"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote:
>
>"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> The scene was set for a fun showdown for stage honors. But Ullrich made
>two
>> mistakes today. He crashed out of his challenge for a second stage win in the 2003 event; and
>> it's highly likely that he did this because he chose
>to
>> stay in bed and watch a video tape of the course instead of doing a reconnaissance ride as
>> Armstrong did at 8.30 in the morning. How can you judge what pace is safe on a treacherous turn
>> when you've only seen it on television?
>>
>
>I doubt he automatically would have been able to judge pace by sitting in the passenger seat of a
>car or even pre riding the course several months ago, unless it was raining then, too. The changes
>in the physical characteristics of the road (wet grip) and sitting in an enclosed 4 wheeled vehicle
>differ too much from riding a bike in similar conditions to get a grasp of the edge of safe riding
>speeds that Jan needed yesterday.
>
>That said, it wouldn't have hurt Jan to have driven the course yesterday. IMO, there is useful
>information you could gather by driving the course such as anticipating the direction of
>upcoming turns or noteworthy paint stripes, I just don't think it would have prevented the fall
>that did occur.
"A Lee" <alan@darkroom.minus.com> wrote in message
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> Kurgan Gringioni <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
> > news:vi7obq1lbn3ofc@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote
in
> > > message
> > > >instead of doing a reconnaissance ride as Armstrong did at 8.30 in the morning.
> >
> > Didn't Armstrong ride it? Reread the snippet from letour.com
>
> No, he went round in the team car. Did you read it on the same site that said Stage 19 was a TTT?
ya.
"Shrek" <shrek@swamp.tv> wrote in message news:t438iv04bi7h0n7kc5ftkbk4ov8tpnalmr@4ax.com...
> Talent wise Ullrich probably has more than Lance but it been painfully
obvious
> that Lance still works a hell of a lot harder than Jan. He needs to dump
is
> Director and sign on with Barney Rice.
JAN doesn't want to work that hard.
Friend of a friend told me Jan did not want to ride the course because he was really getting into a
Sponge Bob episode in his hotel room.
"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Shrek" <shrek@swamp.tv> wrote in message news:t438iv04bi7h0n7kc5ftkbk4ov8tpnalmr@4ax.com...
>> Talent wise Ullrich probably has more than Lance but it been painfully
>obvious
>> that Lance still works a hell of a lot harder than Jan. He needs to dump
>is
>> Director and sign on with Barney Rice.
>
>
>
>
>JAN doesn't want to work that hard.
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