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anyone know what kind of tires they used today and whether they were changed for the rain?
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Jiyang Chen
umm... rain tires??
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> anyone know what kind of tires they used today and whether they were
changed
> for the rain?
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> anyone know what kind of tires they used today and whether they were
changed
> for the rain?
Antonio Sanchez
The same tires as in dry weather.
The tire in a road bike is so narrow that it is not necessary to evacuate the water as in a car or
motorcycle.
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> anyone know what kind of tires they used today and whether they were
changed
> for the rain?
The tire in a road bike is so narrow that it is not necessary to evacuate the water as in a car or
motorcycle.
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> anyone know what kind of tires they used today and whether they were
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> for the rain?
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Mark McMaster
Jiyang Chen wrote:
> Then why do they make tires for wet racing? Surely the extra traction helps in corners.
They don't. They _sell_ tires for wet racing. These tires are prettied up with fancy graphics, and
have all sorts of marketing claims laid on them. But in reality, they perform no better (and often
worse) than regular tires on wet roads.
Mark McMaster MMcMstr@ix.netcom.com
>
> Jiyang
>
> "Antonio Sanchez" <tony.sanchez@finecycling.com> wrote in message
> news:bfv3au$rp74@cesio.mundo-r.com...
>
>>The same tires as in dry weather.
>>
>>The tire in a road bike is so narrow that it is not necessary to evacuate the water as in a car or
>>motorcycle.
>>
>>"guess who" <pissant@tampabay.rr.com> escribió en el mensaje
>>news:qTCUa.62271$k85.2422903@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
>>
>>>anyone know what kind of tires they used today and whether they were
>>
>>changed
>>
>>>for the rain?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> Then why do they make tires for wet racing? Surely the extra traction helps in corners.
They don't. They _sell_ tires for wet racing. These tires are prettied up with fancy graphics, and
have all sorts of marketing claims laid on them. But in reality, they perform no better (and often
worse) than regular tires on wet roads.
Mark McMaster MMcMstr@ix.netcom.com
>
> Jiyang
>
> "Antonio Sanchez" <tony.sanchez@finecycling.com> wrote in message
> news:bfv3au$rp74@cesio.mundo-r.com...
>
>>The same tires as in dry weather.
>>
>>The tire in a road bike is so narrow that it is not necessary to evacuate the water as in a car or
>>motorcycle.
>>
>>"guess who" <pissant@tampabay.rr.com> escribió en el mensaje
>>news:qTCUa.62271$k85.2422903@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
>>
>>>anyone know what kind of tires they used today and whether they were
>>
>>changed
>>
>>>for the rain?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
Art Harris
Mark McMaster wrote:
> They don't. They _sell_ tires for wet racing. These tires are prettied up with fancy graphics, and
> have all sorts of marketing claims laid on them. But in reality, they perform no better (and often
> worse) than regular tires on wet roads.
I saw reports that in the last ITT Armstrong used 700 x 18(!) tires, and Jan had Contis specially
munufactured for low rolling resistance. Both probably bad ideas considering the conditions.
Art Harris
> They don't. They _sell_ tires for wet racing. These tires are prettied up with fancy graphics, and
> have all sorts of marketing claims laid on them. But in reality, they perform no better (and often
> worse) than regular tires on wet roads.
I saw reports that in the last ITT Armstrong used 700 x 18(!) tires, and Jan had Contis specially
munufactured for low rolling resistance. Both probably bad ideas considering the conditions.
Art Harris
Shayana Kadidal
I heard that Armstrong was considering using a narrower tire on the front only. Given the early
reports from his teammates, I'd be surprised if they went with it in the end.
I've always heard that natural rubber tires (e.g. Continentals) are much better at maintaining
traction in the rain than the typical synthetics. Sheldon? --Shayana Kadidal
reports from his teammates, I'd be surprised if they went with it in the end.
I've always heard that natural rubber tires (e.g. Continentals) are much better at maintaining
traction in the rain than the typical synthetics. Sheldon? --Shayana Kadidal
Warren
In article <e59b350a.0307281015.57c669d2@posting.google.com>, Shayana Kadidal
<dershanek@aol.com> wrote:
> I heard that Armstrong was considering using a narrower tire on the front only. Given the early
> reports from his teammates, I'd be surprised if they went with it in the end.
>
> I've always heard that natural rubber tires (e.g. Continentals) are much better at maintaining
> traction in the rain than the typical synthetics.
Most of Conitinental's racing tires have silica added to the tread for better grip.
-WG
<dershanek@aol.com> wrote:
> I heard that Armstrong was considering using a narrower tire on the front only. Given the early
> reports from his teammates, I'd be surprised if they went with it in the end.
>
> I've always heard that natural rubber tires (e.g. Continentals) are much better at maintaining
> traction in the rain than the typical synthetics.
Most of Conitinental's racing tires have silica added to the tread for better grip.
-WG
Mark McMaster
warren wrote:
> In article <e59b350a.0307281015.57c669d2@posting.google.com>, Shayana Kadidal
> <dershanek@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I heard that Armstrong was considering using a narrower tire on the front only. Given the early
>>reports from his teammates, I'd be surprised if they went with it in the end.
>>
>>I've always heard that natural rubber tires (e.g. Continentals) are much better at maintaining
>>traction in the rain than the typical synthetics.
>
>
> Most of Conitinental's racing tires have silica added to the tread for better grip.
According to Continental's own literature, regular carbon black rubber (not silica) gives the best
grip in wet conditions:
http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/en/continental/bicycle/general/innovation/asc_en.html
Mark McMaster MMcMstr@ix.netcom.com
> In article <e59b350a.0307281015.57c669d2@posting.google.com>, Shayana Kadidal
> <dershanek@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I heard that Armstrong was considering using a narrower tire on the front only. Given the early
>>reports from his teammates, I'd be surprised if they went with it in the end.
>>
>>I've always heard that natural rubber tires (e.g. Continentals) are much better at maintaining
>>traction in the rain than the typical synthetics.
>
>
> Most of Conitinental's racing tires have silica added to the tread for better grip.
According to Continental's own literature, regular carbon black rubber (not silica) gives the best
grip in wet conditions:
http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/en/continental/bicycle/general/innovation/asc_en.html
Mark McMaster MMcMstr@ix.netcom.com
Fred Marx
I watched the stage with a friend who has been in the "pits" in simialer conditions and said the
machanics were shiittting twinkies with all the last minute changes of setup.... he even ventured
that Jan's bike may not have been setup to the exacting specs required.. but then we were here in
the states and not there so it's all speculation.
Mark McMaster wrote:
> warren wrote:
>
>> In article <e59b350a.0307281015.57c669d2@posting.google.com>, Shayana Kadidal
>> <dershanek@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I heard that Armstrong was considering using a narrower tire on the front only. Given the early
>>> reports from his teammates, I'd be surprised if they went with it in the end.
>>>
>>> I've always heard that natural rubber tires (e.g. Continentals) are much better at maintaining
>>> traction in the rain than the typical synthetics.
>>
>>
>>
>> Most of Conitinental's racing tires have silica added to the tread for better grip.
>
>
> According to Continental's own literature, regular carbon black rubber (not silica) gives the best
> grip in wet conditions:
>
> http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/en/continental/bicycle/general/innovation/asc_en.html
>
>
> Mark McMaster MMcMstr@ix.netcom.com
machanics were shiittting twinkies with all the last minute changes of setup.... he even ventured
that Jan's bike may not have been setup to the exacting specs required.. but then we were here in
the states and not there so it's all speculation.
Mark McMaster wrote:
> warren wrote:
>
>> In article <e59b350a.0307281015.57c669d2@posting.google.com>, Shayana Kadidal
>> <dershanek@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I heard that Armstrong was considering using a narrower tire on the front only. Given the early
>>> reports from his teammates, I'd be surprised if they went with it in the end.
>>>
>>> I've always heard that natural rubber tires (e.g. Continentals) are much better at maintaining
>>> traction in the rain than the typical synthetics.
>>
>>
>>
>> Most of Conitinental's racing tires have silica added to the tread for better grip.
>
>
> According to Continental's own literature, regular carbon black rubber (not silica) gives the best
> grip in wet conditions:
>
> http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/en/continental/bicycle/general/innovation/asc_en.html
>
>
> Mark McMaster MMcMstr@ix.netcom.com
James Cagney
I spoke to an engineer at COnti - and he basically said, on a 20mm piece of rubber, no tire will
give you traction when it is wet.
Regardless of what they say, if it is wet, you are going down if you push it - and yes, Lance went
with the narrow front wheel.
give you traction when it is wet.
Regardless of what they say, if it is wet, you are going down if you push it - and yes, Lance went
with the narrow front wheel.
Warren
> Mark McMaster wrote:
>
> > warren wrote:
> >
> >> In article <e59b350a.0307281015.57c669d2@posting.google.com>, Shayana Kadidal
> >> <dershanek@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> I heard that Armstrong was considering using a narrower tire on the front only. Given the
> >>> early reports from his teammates, I'd be surprised if they went with it in the end.
> >>>
> >>> I've always heard that natural rubber tires (e.g. Continentals) are much better at maintaining
> >>> traction in the rain than the typical synthetics.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Most of Conitinental's racing tires have silica added to the tread for better grip.
> >
> >
> > According to Continental's own literature, regular carbon black rubber (not silica) gives the
> > best grip in wet conditions:
Right, sorry. I thought the silica was added for grip, but as they say, its for better adhesion on
_dry_ surfaces. On their website it appears that all of their racing tires have silica in the tread
but they do make mention of some special tires made for their sponsored teams.
-WG
>
> > warren wrote:
> >
> >> In article <e59b350a.0307281015.57c669d2@posting.google.com>, Shayana Kadidal
> >> <dershanek@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> I heard that Armstrong was considering using a narrower tire on the front only. Given the
> >>> early reports from his teammates, I'd be surprised if they went with it in the end.
> >>>
> >>> I've always heard that natural rubber tires (e.g. Continentals) are much better at maintaining
> >>> traction in the rain than the typical synthetics.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Most of Conitinental's racing tires have silica added to the tread for better grip.
> >
> >
> > According to Continental's own literature, regular carbon black rubber (not silica) gives the
> > best grip in wet conditions:
Right, sorry. I thought the silica was added for grip, but as they say, its for better adhesion on
_dry_ surfaces. On their website it appears that all of their racing tires have silica in the tread
but they do make mention of some special tires made for their sponsored teams.
-WG
John Forrest To
"James Cagney" <jamescagney2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I spoke to an engineer at COnti - and he basically said, on a 20mm piece of rubber, no tire will
> give you traction when it is wet.
>
> Regardless of what they say, if it is wet, you are going down if you push it - and yes, Lance went
> with the narrow front wheel.
So all tires are the same in terms of wet traction? Is that what you and the engineer mean?
JT
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> I spoke to an engineer at COnti - and he basically said, on a 20mm piece of rubber, no tire will
> give you traction when it is wet.
>
> Regardless of what they say, if it is wet, you are going down if you push it - and yes, Lance went
> with the narrow front wheel.
So all tires are the same in terms of wet traction? Is that what you and the engineer mean?
JT
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