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It is official, ONCE will stop sponsoring their profesional cycling team at the end of this year
(2003). This together with the dismissal of Banesto can provoke a great deflation on the cycling
market (at least the spanish) in the next few months.
alex_beascoechea@yahoo.com (alex beascochea) wrote in message
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> It is official, ONCE will stop sponsoring their profesional cycling team at the end of this year
> (2003). This together with the dismissal of Banesto can provoke a great deflation on the cycling
> market (at least the spanish) in the next few months.
I've been wondering why bicycling didn't evolve to have an official fixed number of team franchises
like other sports, i.e. the ownership of a franchise switches over time but the team stays largely
intact. Certainly, I like the current arrangement. It's part of bicycling's culture, and allows
newcomers with $$ to sponsor a new team. But a franchise system might be more stable, e.g. won't
have a Coast dissolving in mid-season.
Rick H
"rick h" <amln082@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> alex_beascoechea@yahoo.com (alex beascochea) wrote in message
news:<f11f8857.0308040807.4c09a25@posting.google.com>...
> > It is official, ONCE will stop sponsoring their profesional cycling team at the end of this year
> > (2003). This together with the dismissal of Banesto can provoke a great deflation on the cycling
> > market (at least the spanish) in the next few months.
>
> I've been wondering why bicycling didn't evolve to have an official fixed number of team
> franchises like other sports, i.e. the ownership of a franchise switches over time but the team
> stays largely intact.
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Goddamm, you are a Dumbass -
Those other sports are affiliated with a city and a stadium and paying customers (tickets, parking,
beer, food) to attend their events.
How would a "franchise" charge spectators for admission, parking, food and alcohol in a 250kilometer
point to point road race?
Not possible, so the teams rely wholly on sponsors like Coast or Viatel who may not be able to meet
their financial obligations.
Thank you very much for putting so much thought into your post.
In article <d199b54f.0308050037.273b3dd2@posting.google.com>, amln082@yahoo.com (rick h) wrote:
> alex_beascoechea@yahoo.com (alex beascochea) wrote in message
> news:<f11f8857.0308040807.4c09a25@posting.google.com>...
> > It is official, ONCE will stop sponsoring their profesional cycling team at the end of this year
> > (2003). This together with the dismissal of Banesto can provoke a great deflation on the cycling
> > market (at least the spanish) in the next few months.
>
> I've been wondering why bicycling didn't evolve to have an official fixed number of team
> franchises like other sports, i.e. the ownership of a franchise switches over time but the team
> stays largely intact. Certainly, I like the current arrangement. It's part of bicycling's culture,
> and allows newcomers with $$ to sponsor a new team. But a franchise system might be more stable,
> e.g. won't have a Coast dissolving in mid-season.
A major difference is that cycling is an all-against-all team sport: numerous teams in each event.
It may be the biggest sport, now that I think of it, where you have head-to-head competition among
multiple teams, not just multiple individuals, and with some tactical considerations at hand (team
relay running really only relies on "run as hard as you can," strategy-wise).
Because of this, and the lack of home tracks, teams barnstorm from race to race. At various pro and
amateur levels, it's not unusual to have conflicting races competing for the attention of teams. The
teams themselves have a lot of control over their schedules.
That said, a Premier League of teams, with a recognized race series, might be doable. The problem is
that major teams like USPS are quite happy with the current system where they contest the Tour all
out, the Vuelta as hard as they can, and the Giro not at all. Any Premier League that didn't manage
to include all three races would be crippled.
--
Ryan Cousineau, rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club
Kurgan Gringioni schreef:
Those other sports are affiliated with a city and a stadium and paying
> customers (tickets, parking, beer, food) to attend their events.
>
> How would a "franchise" charge spectators for admission, parking, food and alcohol in a
> 250kilometer point to point road race?
>
> Not possible,
Actually Euskaltel-Euskadi, a growing force we might say, has such a basis. They have the 'socio'
system with annual contributions from fans, a system frequent among southern European soccer teams.
Those orange masses don't come out of the blue.
Contributing to cycling in their region and for affirming their regional identity is part
of the deal.
"Van Hoorebeeck Bart" <bart.vanhoorebeeck@wvc.vlaanderen.be> wrote in message
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>
>
> Kurgan Gringioni schreef:
>
> Those other sports are affiliated with a city and a stadium and paying
>
> > customers (tickets, parking, beer, food) to attend their events.
> >
> > How would a "franchise" charge spectators for admission, parking, food
and
> > alcohol in a 250kilometer point to point road race?
> >
> > Not possible,
>
> Actually Euskaltel-Euskadi, a growing force we might say, has such a
basis.
> They have the 'socio' system with annual contributions from fans, a system frequent among southern
> European soccer teams.
>
> Those orange masses don't come out of the blue.
>
> Contributing to cycling in their region and for affirming their regional identity is part of
> the deal.
Goddamm it Bart, you're ruining my fun.
Wake up kids. In a worldwide recession and dominace by a single rider and team you are running out of reasons to sponsor a 'bike team'.
If you like cycling you should't be happy when a sponsor pulls out.
"rick h" <amln082@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> alex_beascoechea@yahoo.com (alex beascochea) wrote in message
news:<f11f8857.0308040807.4c09a25@posting.google.com>...
> > It is official, ONCE will stop sponsoring their profesional cycling team at the end of this year
> > (2003). This together with the dismissal of Banesto can provoke a great deflation on the cycling
> > market (at least the spanish) in the next few months.
>
> I've been wondering why bicycling didn't evolve to have an official fixed number of team
> franchises like other sports, i.e. the ownership of a franchise switches over time but the team
> stays largely intact. Certainly, I like the current arrangement. It's part of bicycling's culture,
> and allows newcomers with $$ to sponsor a new team. But a franchise system might be more stable,
> e.g. won't have a Coast dissolving in mid-season.
>
> Rick H
As "Kurgan" noted, it really is not a sport that is conducive to a team franchise structure. It was
attempted in the eighties. with the "Mayor's Cup" races. That was a crit series and I think it is
safe to say that it was a flop.
Originally posted by Nick Burns
As "Kurgan" noted, it really is not a sport that is conducive to a team franchise structure. It was
attempted in the eighties. with the "Mayor's Cup" races. That was a crit series and I think it is
safe to say that it was a flop. [/B]
I don't think the Wheat Thins Mayor's Cup races were a necessarily a flop; certainly from a rider's standpoint they weren't a flop. I think they had a two year contract and decided not to renew it. Dave Pelletier, the promoter, was a rock concert promoter. How he got into promoting cycling I don't recall. What I do recall is that the races were all put on in a very organized manner. If anything, (speculation) bike racing promotion was a temporary diversion or simply wasn't lucrative enough for him.
A better example of a failed 'city based series' would be the NCL, which seemed to break records for hyperbole, misleading statements, and broken promises.
"never_doped" <never_doped@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3f2fa436$1_1@news.chariot.net.au...
> In a worldwide recession and dominace by a single rider and team
Bettini and Quickstep?
JT
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 08:49:53 GMT, "Kurgan Gringioni"
<kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Goddamm, you are a Dumbass -
>
>
>Those other sports are affiliated with a city and a stadium and paying customers (tickets, parking,
>beer, food) to attend their events.
>
>How would a "franchise" charge spectators for admission, parking, food and alcohol in a
>250kilometer point to point road race?
>
>Not possible, so the teams rely wholly on sponsors like Coast or Viatel who may not be able to meet
>their financial obligations.
Wasn't there a short-lived attempt at doing this on a small scale? I seem to remember Franco Harris
was a team owner. No point-to-point--all crits.
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"Dave Clary" <dclary@stx.rr.com> wrote in message
>
> Wasn't there a short-lived attempt at doing this on a small scale? I seem to remember Franco
> Harris was a team owner. No point-to-point--all crits.
>
Yes, the NCL.
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