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are the campy rcord/chorus shifters going to be as durable as shimano in a wreck
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alfeng
are the campy rcord/chorus shifters going to be as durable as shimano in a wreckI say "yes" -- the Campagnolo shifters will be as durable, or more so, than the Shimano shifters; particularly, if being able to re-build a shifter to give it additional life means it is de facto more durable.
If crashing is truly a concern (and, it must be since this is not the first time you've asked), then get Centaur or Veloce shifters ... the alloy levers on the Centaur & Veloce shifters will be as crashworthy as the levers on a set of Shimano shifters ... and, you will save a considerable amount of money without giving up anything in the way of functionality.
The miniscule advantage of having ball bearings support the central shaft of the Record/Chorus shifters is eliminated if you plan to dispatch the shifters in a crash.
NB/AFAIK. Shimano does not use ball bearings in any of their shfiters ...
If bling-factor is important to you, and if you do abuse a pair of Record shifters, EVERYTHING on a Campagnolo shifter can be replaced whereas a truly destroyed Shimano shifter becomes either a paperweight or part of some landfill.
BTW. If you want to know how FUGLY a pair of Campagnolo Record shifters (the Campy shifters happen to be pictured with new hoods) OR a pair of Shimano 105 shifters can look WITHOUT being crashed, then look at the attached pictures ... the clear coat & paint show the signs of obvious wear; but, if you take BETTER care of the clear coat on the Campy shifters with the carbon fiber levers, they certainly don't have to get that fugly whereas the paint on the tips of the Shimano shifters will ofen show signs of wear quite readily.
If crashing is truly a concern (and, it must be since this is not the first time you've asked), then get Centaur or Veloce shifters ... the alloy levers on the Centaur & Veloce shifters will be as crashworthy as the levers on a set of Shimano shifters ... and, you will save a considerable amount of money without giving up anything in the way of functionality.
The miniscule advantage of having ball bearings support the central shaft of the Record/Chorus shifters is eliminated if you plan to dispatch the shifters in a crash.
NB/AFAIK. Shimano does not use ball bearings in any of their shfiters ...
If bling-factor is important to you, and if you do abuse a pair of Record shifters, EVERYTHING on a Campagnolo shifter can be replaced whereas a truly destroyed Shimano shifter becomes either a paperweight or part of some landfill.
BTW. If you want to know how FUGLY a pair of Campagnolo Record shifters (the Campy shifters happen to be pictured with new hoods) OR a pair of Shimano 105 shifters can look WITHOUT being crashed, then look at the attached pictures ... the clear coat & paint show the signs of obvious wear; but, if you take BETTER care of the clear coat on the Campy shifters with the carbon fiber levers, they certainly don't have to get that fugly whereas the paint on the tips of the Shimano shifters will ofen show signs of wear quite readily.
Wurm
are the campy rcord/chorus shifters going to be as durable as shimano in a wreckSince no 2 crashes are the same, how the hell can anyone know the answer to that? http://cyclingforums.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
alienator
Since no 2 crashes are the same, how the hell can anyone know the answer to that? http://cyclingforums.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
+1. If you crash and the crash happens to break a lever, then you'll have your answer. If the lever is a Campy lever, well, then you just buy another lever. If the lever is a Shimano lever, then you buy a whole brifter.
If it makes you feel better, I have been in two crashes with my Campy Record brifters and neither has broken a lever. All that means, though, is that I didn't crash in such a manner that would break a lever.
+1. If you crash and the crash happens to break a lever, then you'll have your answer. If the lever is a Campy lever, well, then you just buy another lever. If the lever is a Shimano lever, then you buy a whole brifter.
If it makes you feel better, I have been in two crashes with my Campy Record brifters and neither has broken a lever. All that means, though, is that I didn't crash in such a manner that would break a lever.
Wurm
Laff Out Loud!
+1. If you crash and the crash happens to break a lever, then you'll have your answer. If the lever is a Campy lever, well, then you just buy another lever. If the lever is a Shimano lever, then you buy a whole brifter. Imagine that! Someone around here is actually capable of...dare I say it...cognition! http://cyclingforums.com/images/smilies/eek.gif
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I crashed some alu-Centaur levers in 2005. The right one broke. I could have fixed it, but I had the excuse to buy cf-Chorus levers. I sold the Centaur's and the new owner fixed it. He's happy now. So am I.
+1. If you crash and the crash happens to break a lever, then you'll have your answer. If the lever is a Campy lever, well, then you just buy another lever. If the lever is a Shimano lever, then you buy a whole brifter. Imagine that! Someone around here is actually capable of...dare I say it...cognition! http://cyclingforums.com/images/smilies/eek.gif
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I crashed some alu-Centaur levers in 2005. The right one broke. I could have fixed it, but I had the excuse to buy cf-Chorus levers. I sold the Centaur's and the new owner fixed it. He's happy now. So am I.
capwater
Yup, every crash is different. Don't want to revive the Campy vs. Shimano debate, but if you need to replace a lever due to a crash, then Shimano stuff is considerably cheaper.
alfeng
Yup, every crash is different. Don't want to revive the Campy vs. Shimano debate, but if you need to replace a lever due to a crash, then Shimano stuff is considerably cheaper.You jest!?!
Wurm
You jest!?!He errs.
capwater
He errs.
I can build 2 Shimano bikes for the price of one Campy. Building up a TT bike in Campy for a teammate as we speak. Glad my mate is footing the parts bill!
I can build 2 Shimano bikes for the price of one Campy. Building up a TT bike in Campy for a teammate as we speak. Glad my mate is footing the parts bill!
Eastway82
I can build 2 Shimano bikes for the price of one Campy. Building up a TT bike in Campy for a teammate as we speak. Glad my mate is footing the parts bill!
Are you comparing like with like though? Maybe it's different on your side of the pond, but as far as brifters are concerned, Dura Ace 7800 in UK are about £220 (although I have seen them a bit cheaper than that in the sales), Sora 8Spd (the cheapest) about £65 to £70.
Campag Record are about £170-£180, while Xenon 9spd or 10spd are £50. The Campag ones come with a full cableset included in the price, not sure about the Shimano ones.
Are you comparing like with like though? Maybe it's different on your side of the pond, but as far as brifters are concerned, Dura Ace 7800 in UK are about £220 (although I have seen them a bit cheaper than that in the sales), Sora 8Spd (the cheapest) about £65 to £70.
Campag Record are about £170-£180, while Xenon 9spd or 10spd are £50. The Campag ones come with a full cableset included in the price, not sure about the Shimano ones.
alienator
I can build 2 Shimano bikes for the price of one Campy. Building up a TT bike in Campy for a teammate as we speak. Glad my mate is footing the parts bill!
Where do you buy Campy stuff? When I built my bike, Campy Record was within a couple hundred dollars of Shimano Dura Ace.
Where do you buy Campy stuff? When I built my bike, Campy Record was within a couple hundred dollars of Shimano Dura Ace.
Wurm
...and rightly so, because Record is in a category of its own, what might be called, "Ne Plus Ultra". D/A and Force is not.
creekbruin
Why do you feel the need to incorporate wholly irrelevant political crap in your posts. Very f'g annoying since you quote a convicted criminal. Try leaving it off a site dedicated to a sport. I, for one, am not interested.
...and rightly so, because Record is in a category of its own, what might be called, "Ne Plus Ultra". D/A and Force is not.
...and rightly so, because Record is in a category of its own, what might be called, "Ne Plus Ultra". D/A and Force is not.
alienator
Why do you feel the need to incorporate wholly irrelevant political crap in your posts. Very f'g annoying since you quote a convicted criminal. Try leaving it off a site dedicated to a sport. I, for one, am not interested.
He didn't say anything remotely political. If you don't like his sig, then don't read it if it hurts you so much.
He didn't say anything remotely political. If you don't like his sig, then don't read it if it hurts you so much.
Wurm
Why do you feel the need to incorporate wholly irrelevant political crap in your posts. Very f'g annoying since you quote a convicted criminal. Try leaving it off a site dedicated to a sport. I, for one, am not interested.I didn't make any political posts here.
But I do feel the need to expose the criminals in the White House. It's my sig. If you don't like it, kiss my ass and keep drinking your Kool-Aid.
But I do feel the need to expose the criminals in the White House. It's my sig. If you don't like it, kiss my ass and keep drinking your Kool-Aid.
carpediemracing
or just turn off signatures like me.
I didn't even know wurm made any kind of political statement. I did notice he introduced Force to the thread but I wasn't sure if that could be considered political :)
cdr
I didn't even know wurm made any kind of political statement. I did notice he introduced Force to the thread but I wasn't sure if that could be considered political :)
cdr
creekbruin
I didn't make any political posts here.
But I do feel the need to expose the criminals in the White House. It's my sig. If you don't like it, kiss my ass and keep drinking your Kool-Aid.
You're right that your post was nonpolitical but your sig line is not... and I do like your sig line wrt Jack Bruce. BTW, I am not a Bush fan either but I don't feel the need to project out irrelevant nonsense. The rest of your response is about what I expected from someone who quotes a discredited source as the basis for a political rant. Brilliant. And with that, I am done with this discussion.
But I do feel the need to expose the criminals in the White House. It's my sig. If you don't like it, kiss my ass and keep drinking your Kool-Aid.
You're right that your post was nonpolitical but your sig line is not... and I do like your sig line wrt Jack Bruce. BTW, I am not a Bush fan either but I don't feel the need to project out irrelevant nonsense. The rest of your response is about what I expected from someone who quotes a discredited source as the basis for a political rant. Brilliant. And with that, I am done with this discussion.
Wurm
You're right that your post was nonpolitical but your sig line is not... and I do like your sig line wrt Jack Bruce. BTW, I am not a Bush fan either but I don't feel the need to project out irrelevant nonsense. The rest of your response is about what I expected from someone who quotes a discredited source as the basis for a political rant. Brilliant. And with that, I am done with this discussion.Yep. Sort of like sticking out your tonque and then running away. :rolleyes:
Please explain how John Dean is in any way a "discredited source" in pointing out the fact that GWB is the first pres to admit to committing an impeachable offense. John Dean is still a practicing attorney AFAIK, and has been quite adamant about how his part in the Watergate/Nixon cover-up was a regrettable mistake. If anyone knows what the definition of "impeachable offense" is, it is Dean.
You might also explain how a sitting pres' impeachable offenses are "irrelevant nonsense".
Anxiously awaiting your (delusional) reply...
Please explain how John Dean is in any way a "discredited source" in pointing out the fact that GWB is the first pres to admit to committing an impeachable offense. John Dean is still a practicing attorney AFAIK, and has been quite adamant about how his part in the Watergate/Nixon cover-up was a regrettable mistake. If anyone knows what the definition of "impeachable offense" is, it is Dean.
You might also explain how a sitting pres' impeachable offenses are "irrelevant nonsense".
Anxiously awaiting your (delusional) reply...
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