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after my h*lfords experience im seriously considering building my own bike but not just yet, so out
of genuine interest i just want to spec up something so i can see what it would cost, etc, etc and
what is needed
does anyone have a complete list of required parts to build a bike piecemeal ... (not tools, just
the bike bits) im not up with terminology, etc so half the time dont really know what im looking for
if looking around a website but if i had a list of parts it would be fairly straight forward to list
the available items, prices, etc, etc
also, being a heavy rider .. (even if i slim down to perfect weight for me i'll be 15 stone) and
thinking of frame strengths, etc - how strong are these frames in the low end middle range market
that id be buying in? ... aluminium/steel? ... im not thinking of racing in any way but would lean
towards the audax type tourer i think ... realistically what maximum weight should/can these bikes
carry? this may determine when i can realistically build my bike as i have a fair chunk to lose!
doobrie wrote:
> does anyone have a complete list of required parts to build a bike piecemeal ... (not tools, just
> the bike bits) im not up with terminology, etc so half the time dont really know what im looking
> for if looking around a website but if i had a list of parts it would be fairly straight forward
> to list the available items, prices, etc, etc
I'll start:
Frame
Wheels Rims, Hubs, Spokes, Tyres
Brakes Levers, Mechanism: V brakes or Cantilevers or discs etc, Cables.
Comfort Seat stem Saddle
Stearing Headest Bars Stem
Transmission Pedals Chainset (inc cranks) Cassette (rear cogs) Chain Bottom Bracket Gear Levers
Others can add as they see fit.
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Dnc
You will not have a problem with your size. I am 6 feet2 and weigh 16.5 stones I am also a power
lifter. The fact that a frame that only weighs about 2 to 3kg can take my weight and the tremendous
power my legs throw at it never fails to amaze me. What marvels of current engineering the modern
racing bike is.....
I cannot sleep tonight hence the late post!!!!
Slim
"doobrie" <doobr1e@TAKEOUTyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.19a35f9035a0b7ae98972b@news.gradwell.com...
> after my h*lfords experience im seriously considering building my own bike but not just yet, so
> out of genuine interest i just want to spec up something so i can see what it would cost, etc, etc
> and what is needed
>
> does anyone have a complete list of required parts to build a bike piecemeal ... (not tools, just
> the bike bits) im not up with terminology, etc so half the time dont really know what im looking
> for if looking around a website but if i had a list of parts it would be fairly straight forward
> to list the available items, prices, etc, etc
>
> also, being a heavy rider .. (even if i slim down to perfect weight for me i'll be 15 stone) and
> thinking of frame strengths, etc - how strong are these frames in the low end middle range market
> that id be buying in? ... aluminium/steel? ... im not thinking of racing in any way but would lean
> towards the audax type tourer i think ... realistically what maximum weight should/can these bikes
> carry? this may determine when i can realistically build my bike as i have a fair chunk to lose!
Doesnotcompute wrote:
> doobrie wrote:
>> does anyone have a complete list of required parts to build a bike piecemeal ... (not tools, just
>> the bike bits) im not up with terminology, etc so half the time dont really know what im looking
>> for if looking around a website but if i had a list of parts it would be fairly straight forward
>> to list the available items, prices, etc, etc
It's actually never a straightforward job because you've got such a massive choice and parts have to
be compatible and of the correct size. A load of research and browsing around is needed in the end.
Hardly any single website has a price list of absolutely everything needed to build a complete bike
from scratch. (Parker International might be an exception for road bikes).
Money and complication can sometimes be saved by buying a "groupset" which compromises all parts
required for gears and brakes.
> I'll start:
I'll add:
> Frame
Forks (often not included with frame) Mudgaurds & racks (optional)
> Wheels Rims, Hubs, Spokes, Tyres
Inner tubes Rim tapes
> Brakes Levers, Mechanism: V brakes or Cantilevers or discs etc, Cables.
>
> Comfort Seat stem
usually known as: seat post or seat pin or seat pillar
> Saddle
Seat bolt
> Stearing Headest Bars Stem
Bar ends (optional, for straight bars) Headset spacers (if aheadset) Bar tape (if drop bars)
> Transmission Pedals Chainset (inc cranks) Cassette (rear cogs) Chain Bottom Bracket Gear Levers
Cables
glossary: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/glossary.html
~PB
Pete Biggs wrote:
> Money and complication can sometimes be saved by buying a "groupset" which compromises all parts
> required for gears and brakes.
^ comprises, I mean!
~PB
In article <bhbvla$u39e7$1@ID-179018.news.uni-berlin.de>, tinker- too@yahoo.com says...
> You will not have a problem with your size. I am 6 feet2 and weigh 16.5 stones I am also a power
> lifter. The fact that a frame that only weighs about 2 to 3kg can take my weight and the
> tremendous power my legs throw at it never fails to amaze me. What marvels of current engineering
> the modern racing bike is.....
>
> I cannot sleep tonight hence the late post!!!!
>
> Slim
same height, but add another 6 stone approx and you've got me ... its a fair additional chunk of
weight, would that make a difference or are they strong enough well over these figures ... im
certainly aiming to be more your weight but on the way down would be nice if i could move to the
bike i want without worrying about the issue
> It's actually never a straightforward job because you've got such a massive choice and parts
> have to be compatible and of the correct size. A load of research and browsing around is needed
> in the end.
i've got until approx next spring to think this through properly so plenty of time and i can always
tweak my final list here and specify on any order that they are to be compatible, etc.
> Hardly any single website has a price list of absolutely everything needed to build a complete
> bike from scratch. (Parker International might be an exception for road bikes).
>
> Money and complication can sometimes be saved by buying a "groupset" which compromises all parts
> required for gears and brakes.
yes, often seen mention of the groupsets .. that'll save time buying a complete groupset ... i'll
need a list closer to the time of ascending preference of groupsets, i spose they probably just go
up in price the better/more desirable they are like most items?
i wont be after the lightest speediest bike on the planet, probably aim more towards durable and
reliable with attention to puncture resistance, strength, ideal for me range of gearing, etc, etc
doobrie wrote:
> after my h*lfords experience im seriously considering building my own bike but not just yet, so
> out of genuine interest i just want to spec up something so i can see what it would cost
It would almost certainly cost significantly more than an equivalent "off the peg" machine, as long
as you can find such.
> also, being a heavy rider .. (even if i slim down to perfect weight for me i'll be 15 stone) and
> thinking of frame strengths, etc - how strong are these frames in the low end middle range market
> that id be buying in? ... aluminium/steel? ... im not thinking of racing in any way but would lean
> towards the audax type tourer i think ... realistically what maximum weight should/can these bikes
> carry? this may determine when i can realistically build my bike as i have a fair chunk to lose!
I don't know exactly, but probably more than you'll be putting on it. A properly made bike frame is
a strong thing and can take fairly serious punishment: I don't see weight warnings on bikes as a
rule, and have seen some pretty chunky people out riding.
If you want an Audax style bike I'd start with things like the Dawes, Orbit and Thorns: break down
the component list and see what they'd be if you bought them yourself, and I think you'd soon pass
the price tag they put on their machines. Call the manufacturer and see what they say is a Safe
Working Load: someone like Orbit could simply reinforce your frame if it was thought to be a
problem, but I doubt it would be.
Pete.
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Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk
http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:34:07 +0100, doobrie <doobr1e@TAKEOUTyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>after my h*lfords experience im seriously considering building my own bike but not just yet, so out
>of genuine interest i just want to spec up something so i can see what it would cost, etc, etc and
>what is needed
>
>does anyone have a complete list of required parts to build a bike piecemeal ... (not tools, just
>the bike bits) im not up with terminology, etc so half the time dont really know what im looking
>for if looking around a website but if i had a list of parts it would be fairly straight forward to
>list the available items, prices, etc, etc
I'm glad you posted this as it's reminded my I need to make up a similar list for my insurance. I
always build my own bikes so for insurance I have to make a list of every component on it in order
to provide a value to the insurance company. The new one is nearly finished (just waiting for the
new Pace RC36s to be delivered today
:-)).
It's a surprising long list and you always forget sundry stuff like cables and bottle cage bolts. If
you can wait a bit, I'll email you my list next week.
I note you didn't want tools to be included in the list, but bear in mind there are some specialist
tools you might need, such as crank pulls, bottom bracket tools, headset spanners (if you're using a
traditional headset). Good quality cable cutters are bloody useful as well. These tools can run to a
fair few quid.
>also, being a heavy rider .. (even if i slim down to perfect weight for me i'll be 15 stone) and
>thinking of frame strengths, etc - how strong are these frames in the low end middle range market
>that id be buying in? ... aluminium/steel? ... im not thinking of racing in any way but would lean
>towards the audax type tourer i think ... realistically what maximum weight should/can these bikes
>carry? this may determine when i can realistically build my bike as i have a fair chunk to lose!
There is only one frame I have ever come across that's had a weight limit put on it, and that's the
current Pace RC300F1 XC racing frame. They set a max limit on that of 210lbs (15st). Mind you I have
no experience of light-weight road frames.
If you're doing laden touring then a steel frame is probably the best bet.
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Peter Clinch <p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk> said:
> doobrie wrote:
>> after my h*lfords experience im seriously considering building my own bike but not just yet, so
>> out of genuine interest i just want to spec up something so i can see what it would cost
>
> It would almost certainly cost significantly more than an equivalent "off the peg" machine, as
> long as you can find such.
If you're buying retail parts, then I guess it would, however I managed to build up something of
vaguely similar spec and purpose to a Dawes Audax though with a motley collection of components
for considerably less than the list price of that machine[1]. I spent about 500 quid or so on the
basic bits, excluding stuff like panniers which I would need to buy anyway. Mcuh of the saving was
on the frame (Flanders touring frame) which I got through Ebay for just under 100 quid, fork and
headset included.
If the OP has plenty of time to burn then hunting for end of line and seasonal bargains is a fun way
of building up a bike, though of course you have to forgo the latest sparkly bits.
Furthermore, what price fun and interest? Even if you do end up spending a little more you'll have
learnt something because of it and will have a bike that's something of a conversation piece.
Regards,
-david
[1] Someone will now pop up and reveal they got their Audax for considerably less than the list
price... :)
David Nutter wrote:
> Furthermore, what price fun and interest? Even if you do end up spending a little more you'll have
> learnt something because of it
As long as that something isn't "I'm really not up this bike building business", fair comment.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk
http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
> It's a surprising long list and you always forget sundry stuff like cables and bottle cage bolts.
Just a minute point.........
Bottle cage bolts usually come with frames so no need to add them to the list.
~PB
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:22:07 +0100, "Pete Biggs" <pLime{remove_fruit}@biggs.tc> wrote:
>> It's a surprising long list and you always forget sundry stuff like cables and bottle cage bolts.
>
>Just a minute point.........
>
>Bottle cage bolts usually come with frames so no need to add them to the list.
I've never got any with any mtb frame I've bought (several Oranges and lately a Rock Lobster).
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"We take these risks, not to escape from life, but to prevent life escaping from us." ***** replace
'spam' with 'ben' to reply *****
Peter Clinch <p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk> said:
> David Nutter wrote:
>
>> Furthermore, what price fun and interest? Even if you do end up spending a little more you'll
>> have learnt something because of it
>
> As long as that something isn't "I'm really not up this bike building business", fair comment.
Heh, indeed. The advice given elsewhere in this thread[1] is good, I'd like to add that University
halls of residence are often good places to find junked bikes at the end of term time. Peep into the
skips and ask about.
Regards,
-david
[1] "Obtain a 10GBP clunker and restore it, spending as little as possible" was the gist. My news
server has just expired a bunch of posts and I can't find the original message
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