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deras
Who is who?
1. Jan Jan ullrich confirmed
2. Birrillo Basso confirmed
3. Sansone ?
4. Nicol ?
5. Sevillano Probably Oscar Sevilla
6. Santi Santiago Botero
7. 1AI ?
8. ATR ?
9. Urko Ullrich or Oscar Pereiro?
10 Rosa Cunego, Simoni, Savoldelli, ?
11. 4142 ?
12. Guti, Gutierez no doubt but which
13. Alcalde ?
14 RH ?
15. César ?
16. VCS Angel Vicioso?
17. Goku Don't know who but know it is an anime figure in dragonballz Mancebo?
18. Clasicómano Luigi Cancellara?
19. Huerta o Clasicómano Luis Leon Sanchez?
20. Jacksche ( no codename given)
21 Zabballa
22.Guri ?
23. Azul ?
24. Valv Pitti I think there is no doubt this is Valverde
25. Pepito Sad to say but Betini maybe?
26. Pavarotti Cipolini?
27. Vains ?
28. Gemma?


Who do you think? for more information http://www.cadenaser.com/articulo/deportes/Ciclismo/Operacion/Puerto/Informe/Guardia/Civil/Capitulo/I/csrcsrpor/20060712csrcsrdep_8/Tes/

olo
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wasn't hamilton supposed to be 4142?

Bro Deal
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wasn't hamilton supposed to be 4142?
Maybe if the Italian prosecutors get cracking, Basso could get 24601. :D

whiteboytrash
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Maybe if the Italian prosecutors get cracking, Basso could get 24601. :D

...or 5150.

From the above link I understand none of the Italian but ROYPHNOL. What are these guys using a date rape drug as well ??

DiabloScott
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...or 5150.

From the above link I understand none of the Italian but ROYPHNOL. What are these guys using a date rape drug as well ??

First of all, it's Spanish (castellano)

La documentación referida y que es objeto de análisis en los puntos siguientes del presente escrito, se localizan anotaciones de consumo de PROZAC de dispensación bajo receta médica y susceptible de causar adicción como sería el caso de otros medicamentos hallados en los registros asociados a Eufemiano FUENTES como el DIAZEPAM o el ROYPHNOL.

The author describes the kinds of pharmaceuticals found in the raids and categorizes them as prescription drugs, vitamins, narcotics, and addictive drugs. He also says that Fuentes's medical registry shows that he has prescribed addictive drugs like diazepam and royphnol (rohipnol). Doesn't imply a link between these drugs and athletes, but it does paint Fuentes out to be a pretty slimey character.

ilpirata
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As long as we are talking about spanish references. It is more than curious the utter silence of the Spanish press on the whole Basso confession thing. It would seem that there is great fear in pressing the case further. Valverde? is bad enough but ---spanish soccer? now that is some serious industry to protect!!
First of all, it's Spanish (castellano)

La documentación referida y que es objeto de análisis en los puntos siguientes del presente escrito, se localizan anotaciones de consumo de PROZAC de dispensación bajo receta médica y susceptible de causar adicción como sería el caso de otros medicamentos hallados en los registros asociados a Eufemiano FUENTES como el DIAZEPAM o el ROYPHNOL.

The author describes the kinds of pharmaceuticals found in the raids and categorizes them as prescription drugs, vitamins, narcotics, and addictive drugs. He also says that Fuentes's medical registry shows that he has prescribed addictive drugs like diazepam and royphnol (rohipnol). Doesn't imply a link between these drugs and athletes, but it does paint Fuentes out to be a pretty slimey character.

Serafino
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As long as we are talking about spanish references. It is more than curious the utter silence of the Spanish press on the whole Basso confession thing. It would seem that there is great fear in pressing the case further. Valverde? is bad enough but ---spanish soccer? now that is some serious industry to protect!!

The evidence concerning Valverde appears to be at least as strong as that around any of the other OP suspects. Yet, he's allowed to ride without sanction. Strange double standard.

In other news:

Torri explained that he was content with what Scarponi and Ivan Basso revealed. "They recalled the grave mistakes that were made." Scarponi's admission followed two days after Basso agreed to cooperate with CONI's investigation.

"He was able to detail the 'system' of doping and how the riders come into contact with this web of easygoing doctors, teams without scruples and traffickers."

Evidently, Scarponi's confession mentions the names of other riders.

There should be a thorough house cleaning and naming of the remaining 50 suspects prior to the start of the TdF. Otherwise, we'll have the usual sacrifice of a couple of riders, claims that its all better now, and it will be business of usual.

DiabloScott
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As long as we are talking about spanish references. It is more than curious the utter silence of the Spanish press on the whole Basso confession thing. It would seem that there is great fear in pressing the case further. Valverde? is bad enough but ---spanish soccer? now that is some serious industry to protect!!

Utter silence? I think you're right about the soccer angle, but you haven't been looking very hard for Basso confession stories.

DiarioVasco.com (http://www.diariovasco.com/prensa/20070509/deportes/ivan-basso-dice-nunca_20070509.html)

ElPais.com (http://www.elpais.com/articulo/deportes/discurso/pactado/Basso/elpepidep/20070509elpepidep_6/Tes)

As.com (http://www.as.com/articulo/Deporte/Basso/admite/intento/dopaje/asegura/llego/hacerlo/dasmasA00/20070508dasdasmas_2/Tes/)

helmutRoole2
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...or 5150.

From the above link I understand none of the Italian but ROYPHNOL. What are these guys using a date rape drug as well ??Likely. It lowers your heart rate and allows you to sleep and awake rested without a hangover or any apparent sides.

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padawan
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The evidence concerning Valverde appears to be at least as strong as that around any of the other OP suspects. Yet, he's allowed to ride without sanction. Strange double standard.
He's not riding the Giro. If that had been in his plan I feel pretty certain he'd have been pulled like the other Caisse d'Epargne riders, Zaballa and Plaza.

Wait and see but I doubt he'll be riding the tour.

All of the recent developments have just affirmed for me exactly how strong the Omerta code is in the peloton. I think that's a big part of Basso's decision to not say anything more than he absolutely has to.

Powerful Pete
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Hhhm. Let us see what comes of Scarponi's confession. Will we see last minute pull-outs from the Giro before Saturday?

ilpirata
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Utter silence? I think you're right about the soccer angle, but you haven't been looking very hard for Basso confession stories.
Diablo though I'm not fluent in Spanish, it seems to me that this is cursory reporting of known facts, that other countries reported a day earlier with better discussion of future implications. The press in Spain ,at least to the point in time of my post, is content to quote Gazzetta dello Sport and not expand.

DiabloScott
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Diablo though I'm not fluent in Spanish, it seems to me that this is cursory reporting of known facts, that other countries reported a day earlier with better discussion of future implications. The press in Spain ,at least to the point in time of my post, is content to quote Gazzetta dello Sport and not expand.

You described the Spanish press as being "utterly silent" on Basso's confession - that was an incorrect statement and now you admit you don't read Spanish so apparently your statement was not only incorrect, but completely fabricated.

I read enough of the Spanish and Italian newspaper sites to say confidently that the reporting is pretty much the same. Basso gives his interviews to La Gazzetta and Manzano gave his to As (remember that one? Did that seem like some kind of white wash?) so they don't always get the same things at the same time but I don't see any signs of negligence in reporting the stories.

deras
Who is who?
Update

1. Jan Jan ullrich confirmed
2. Birrillo Basso confirmed
3. Sansone ?
4. Nicol ?
5. Sevillano Probably Oscar Sevilla
6. Santi Santiago Botero
7. 1AI ?
8. ATR ?
9. Urko Ullrich or Oscar Pereiro?
10 Rosa Cunego, Simoni, Savoldelli, ?
11. 4142 ?
12. Guti, Gutierez no doubt but which
13. Alcalde ?
14 RH ?
15. César ?
16. VCS Angel Vicioso?
17. Goku Don't know who but know it is an anime figure in dragonballz Mancebo?
18. Clasicómano Luigi Cancellara?
19. Huerta o Clasicómano Luis Leon Sanchez?
20. Jacksche ( no codename given)
21 Zabballa
22.Guri ?
23. Azul ?
24. Valv Pitti I think there is no doubt this is Valverde
25. Pepito Sad to say but Betini maybe?
26. Pavarotti Cipolini?
27. Vains ?
28. Gemma? Pantani
29. Zapatero Scarponi confirmed
30. Presidente Scarponi confirmed

The ones involved

Astana
Beloki
Scarponi confirmed by confession
Davis
Contador
Serrano
Vicioso
Paulinho
Unai Osa
Isdro Nozal
Jorg Jacksche
David Extebarria
Communidad Valencia
Vincente Ballester
David Bernabeau
David Blanco
José Adran Bonnillo
Juan Gomis
Eladio Jimenez
David Latasa
Ruben Plaza
Juan Pascal Rodriguez
AG2R
Mancebo
Caise D'epargne
Zabballa
Team CSC
Ivan Basso confirmed by confession
Phonak
José Enrique Gutierez
Santiago Botero
Saunier Duval Prodir
Zarate
T-Mobile team
Sevilla
Jan Ullrich confirmed by DNA test
Tinkoff Credit Systems
Tyler Hamilton
Unibet.com
Carlos Garcia Quesada
Retired or under Punishment
Angel Casero
Roberto Heras
Santiago Perez
Marco Pantani (deceased)
Other suspects (not on list)
Alejandro Valverde
Oscar Pereiro Sio
Who do you think? for more information http://www.cadenaser.com/articulo/deportes/Ciclismo/Operacion/Puerto/Informe/Guardia/Civil/Capitulo/I/csrcsrpor/20060712csrcsrdep_8/Tes/

thunder
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Dekker and Cancellara will be clients, Petacchi too. Vino and Popo also.

Leafer
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Well, at a guess I'd say that "RH" could well be Roberto Heras (not previously linked, but an ex-Kelme and Liberty rider, so pretty good odds there), and "Vains" could be Roman Vainsteins.

thecyclist
Who is who?
There are some names you don't have on your list like "Falla", "Mari", "Klaus" etc.

RH = Heras
Sansone = Botero
Santi = Santiago Perez
4142 = Hamilton
Manc = Mancebo

Also "ATR" could be Aitor Gonzalez.

"Gemma" isn't Pantani since "Gemma" has a blood bag from 2005. Pantani is known as "PTN" or something like that.

whiteboytrash
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There are some names you don't have on your list like "Falla", "Mari", "Klaus" etc.

RH = Heras
Sansone = Botero
Santi = Santiago Perez
4142 = Hamilton
Manc = Mancebo

Also "ATR" could be Aitor Gonzalez.

"Gemma" isn't Pantani since "Gemma" has a blood bag from 2005. Pantani is known as "PTN" or something like that.

What happened to the list with "cowboy" on it ?

whiteboytrash
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What happened to the list with "cowboy" on it ?

This list;

Cowboy (2003)
Panticosa (2003)
Pavarotti (2003)
Pepito (2003)
Obelisk (2003)
Nibelungo (2003)
LAS (2003)
María (2002-03-04)
Rosa (2003-04)
Valv. (Piti) (2004)
Urco (2004)
César (2004-05)
MZD (2005)
Huerta (2006)
Clasicómano (2006)
Clasicómano Luigi (2006)
Gemma
Amigo de Birillo
Rosa

davidbod
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This list;

Cowboy (2003)
Panticosa (2003)
Pavarotti (2003)
Pepito (2003)
Obelisk (2003)
Nibelungo (2003)
LAS (2003)
María (2002-03-04)
Rosa (2003-04)
Valv. (Piti) (2004)
Urco (2004)
César (2004-05)
MZD (2005)
Huerta (2006)
Clasicómano (2006)
Clasicómano Luigi (2006)
Gemma
Amigo de Birillo
Rosa

I wonder who Amigo de Birillo is. Kind of suggests Basso was doing this with a friend along for the ride.





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