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We just had two new respected members come in here and post on a very interesting topic, and you lovely middle-school sleepover BFF's, have hijacked the discussion onto a meaningful chat about doctors hitting on you and Don Johnson.

Note to observers - please feel free to interupt at anytime with anything you like to post.:D


Boys night out is always so boring. :rolleyes:

(Just kidding. I actually have enjoyed reading all of your posts on climbing, as I stated previously).

:D


Boys night out is always so boring. :rolleyes:

(Just kidding. I actually have enjoyed reading all of your posts on climbing, as I stated previously).
Yeah, and I remember when Cranky thought the girls were the respected members...but if he thinks we're boring now (albeit lovely) and he's not interested in my dang hot optic nerves, well then....

(I was going to say we can just go to DPF, but that's a bluff I just can't make with a straight face...)

Okay. All's fair in the context of upping the post tally I suppose. And its not like I'm the Vaughn Trevi of the FID thread. Its just an unusual experience to have guests drop in here unexpectedly, and I think that us kids should be on our best behavior when that happens. Otherwise, respected guests may not want to visit so much, next time.

Now I do hope, Ms. NNS, that you are not secretly wanting this thread to trend towards a 3-5 actor soap opera show, that it has meandered into, in days gone by.:cool:

Okay. All's fair in the context of upping the post tally I suppose. And its not like I'm the Vaughn Trevi of the FID thread. Its just an unusual experience to have guests drop in here unexpectedly, and I think that us kids should be on our best behavior when that happens. Otherwise, respected guests may not want to visit so much, next time.

Now I do hope, Ms. NNS, that you are not secretly wanting this thread to trend towards a 3-5 actor soap opera show, that it has meandered into, in days gone by.:cool:
Who died and made you moderator? I told you you were kinda bossy...have a great time smokin' cigars, etc. ;)

adios muchachos

Yeah, and I remember when Cranky thought the girls were the respected members...but if he thinks we're boring now (albeit lovely) and he's not interested in my dang hot optic nerves, well then....

(I was going to say we can just go to DPF, but that's a bluff I just can't make with a straight face...)Did I say you weren't respected? I said we had respected guests. Then I did kinda label you ladies in a put-downish way. But it was just meant to be humorous.;)

You guys are the glue that holds this together. Anyway, it started off being a tongue-in-cheek angle of mock consternation, and now it's starting to sound like its serious.

Is this a fight?:eek: :confused: :mad: :confused: :rolleyes: :)

Did I say you weren't respected? I said we had respected guests. Then I did kinda label you ladies in a put-downish way. But it was just meant to be humorous.;)

You guys are the glue that holds this together. Anyway, it started off being a tongue-in-cheek angle of mock consternation, and now it's starting to sound like its serious.

Is this a fight?:eek: :confused: :mad: :confused: :rolleyes: :)
Sorry we came in and giggled while you had the guys over...

Come on, C Girl, let's go get a pedicure.

And Cranky...go climb a mountain, why don't ya....;)

Pedicure . . . perfect. Free wine too. Bonus! :D

I know 2 people who have done it( 1 Alpine style,1 expedition style). They tell me that Everest has been done so many times that it doesn't interest serious climbers very much.There are many more technically demanding climbs elsewhere, including the US (particularly Alaska) and Patagonia. The last time I looked at costs the lowest price was around $US25K for a package deal for a week or so. For that price you get hauled up a series of fixed ropes like a haulbag...not real climbing at all. Climbing Alpine style won't change the cost appreciably (the highest cost is the permit from the Nepalese Govt.) and for climbing expedition style (fixing own ropes, hiring teams of Sherpas etc.)...the sky is the limit but $US100k is the starting point.
If you want a serious challenge...drink a case of beer and try to climb your living room wall.It's difficult but not impossible, it's a lot of fun and it doesn't destroy the fragile environment of Everest, which is in serious danger of being overwhelmed by the garbage dumped by rich Westerners.
My inflated sense of self-esteem is largely due to the major accomplishment of making it through the "Death Zone" to the light switch, at which point I fell off and (fortunately ) landed on the couch where I was forced by weather conditions (A major frost and fierce storms originating in the marital bedroom.) to beg for rescue.


I told you the 22 year old "Hooters Bar Maid Sherpa" was a bad idea and always remember to turn off the ceiling fan or you might tangle your Swiss Seat.

Has anyone here climbed or thought of climbing Everest?
If so would you dope (use of Oxygen doesn't count as doping)?
Six or seven years ago I was thinking of it.

I wouldn't have any problem doping. You are not competing with anyone so it's not like you are cheating anybody. Use of testosterone and steroids to obtain a higher fitness level in training is okay by me. EPO would seem to be really dangerous since sherpas can have natural hematocrits in the mid fifties. The risk of heart attack would be high I would think. Plus problems with blood clots are already a problem at altitude, so making the problem worse does not seem too smart.

There are a lot of other mountains to climb that are far cooler and far cheaper than getting dragged up the dog route on Everest.

EPO would seem to be really dangerous since sherpas can have natural hematocrits in the mid fifties. The risk of heart attack would be high I would think. Bro....I'm trying to understand what you meant here. If the sherpas have got high natural hematocrits, then what's wrong with us having a high unnatural hematocrit (EPO induced)? We're not giving the EPO to the sherpas.

I understand the blood clot risk though, that you mentioned, which probably cancels further discussion in of itself.

Okay. All's fair in the context of upping the post tally I suppose. And its not like I'm the Vaughn Trevi of the FID thread. Its just an unusual experience to have guests drop in here unexpectedly, and I think that us kids should be on our best behavior when that happens. Otherwise, respected guests may not want to visit so much, next time.

Now I do hope, Ms. NNS, that you are not secretly wanting this thread to trend towards a 3-5 actor soap opera show, that it has meandered into, in days gone by.:cool:Jeez who put you in charge. I don't like moderators or folks trying to act like moderators.

Bro....I'm trying to understand what you meant here. If the sherpas have got high natural hematocrits, then what's wrong with us having a high unnatural hematocrit (EPO induced)? We're not giving the EPO to the sherpas.
I don't know any of this for fact. I am just speculating. The high altitude causes your hematocrit to increase. Using drugs that make it go even higher seems unwise.

Perhaps using EPO in the early stages of training would be okay. Maybe quiting two to three months before the expedition.

Six or seven years ago I was thinking of it.

I wouldn't have any problem doping. You are not competing with anyone so it's not like you are cheating anybody. Use of testosterone and steroids to obtain a higher fitness level in training is okay by me. EPO would seem to be really dangerous since sherpas can have natural hematocrits in the mid fifties. The risk of heart attack would be high I would think. Plus problems with blood clots are already a problem at altitude, so making the problem worse does not seem too smart.

There are a lot of other mountains to climb that are far cooler and far cheaper than getting dragged up the dog route on Everest.Yeah there are cooler mountains to climb, but only one is the top of the world. That's why I think Everest is more about the summit than the journey or mountaineering in general. Like I said, it's about standing on top of the world, regardless of the means it took to get there.

I would think EPO would be the ultimate climbing drug. Hypoxia is your enemy. Gotta do some research on this. You can always take other drugs to negate the clotting risk, but then you might bleed to death. Such is life.

I would think EPO would be the ultimate climbing drug. Hypoxia is your enemy. Gotta do some research on this.
On lower mountains that is probably true, but at high altitude I think it would be risky without a lot of experimentation. It's not like you will find decent research for EPO use in this sort of situation. You would have to use the drug quit a bit to figure out whether it would work and what complications you might expect, and then you would have to deal with the risk that perhaps you were just lucky in your climbs before Everest. Conducting science experiments on myself while climbing would make me a little apprehensive.

I would want to use EPO on Denali, Aconcagua, Cho Oyu and such before using it on Everest.

Wow...that's fascinating! You men are so smart. And courageous to even think about climbing those mountains!!!

Awwww...don't get so upset. You're tougher than that, Crankster...

This is supposed to be fun.....sooner or later it was going to devolve into the battle of the sexes....;) But all tongue in cheek as you say...:)



Nobody and I'm not. So before jumping in with a flash judgment, I was just asking friends (NNS and C'dale) in a typical Crankyfeet, point-and-jab-tongue-in-cheek style, to respect our guests by not just switching the conversation willy-nilly if possible. But I realize that any request by me to extend what I perceive as a courtesy, gets pigeon-holed as an attempt to control or moderate, which isn't entirely off base, so I'll step aside.

I tried to promote the thread as a broad conversation thread yesterday for everyone, so I guess I got carried away when I found new FID posters coming in here perhaps in response. And I guess I shouldn't have posted that new thread in hindsight, acting like I was some sort of elite FID thread person, without perhaps discussing it first.

Also, I won't again mention that I am not a moderator, lest it be interpreted that I am saying that I am acting like a moderator.

Long Live Next-to-No Moderation.

I am a firm believer in that - like you Edie. And I got carried away with my attempt to welcome more members in here and not make them feel like I have felt on other random conversation threads where I post a question or topic and the next 30 posts completely ignore it.

So I humbly apologize. My bad. And I'll crawl back under my rock.

Awwww...don't get so upset. You're tougher than that, Crankster...

This is supposed to be fun.....sooner or later it was going to devolve into the battle of the sexes....;) But all tongue in cheek as you say...:)You may be joking, but I think I know Edie, and she wasn't.

Look I was getting carried away. This thread went through late October early November with about 20 posts in 4 weeks. Now we're cookin' at, I don't know, 60 odd a day. So if more members are happy to come here and start up interesting conversation, IMHO, thats great. Maybe you guys don't agree. I never really asked anyone about it, I just assumed that we were all on the same page with "the more - the merrier" attitude.

Anyway, I'm not the one to get too apologetic. ;)

On lower mountains that is probably true, but at high altitude I think it would be risky without a lot of experimentation. It's not like you will find decent research for EPO use in this sort of situation. You would have to use the drug quit a bit to figure out whether it would work and what complications you might expect, and then you would have to deal with the risk that perhaps you were just lucky in your climbs before Everest. Conducting science experiments on myself while climbing would make me a little apprehensive.

I would want to use EPO on Denali, Aconcagua, Cho Oyu and such before using it on Everest.If I was sponsored by a drug company...i.e. free expedition, I'd try it. Tomorrow I'm going to look to see if any studies have been done on EPO and high altitute climbing. Someone had to try it by now.

Denali is within range. Something I'm very seriously considering in the near future.

You may be joking, but I think I know Edie, and she wasn't.
Well, when you mess with the posse...:cool:

You may be joking, but I think I know Edie, and she wasn't.You know me ?!?! really

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