Evangelical Disconnect

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My church has no opinion on the use of condoms or any other birth controll.Nor at my church, but I have to say Bill that some of the things suggested about us Christians on this thread are hilarious.....sort of.:)

It would seem by this thread that we (believers) are some really vile creatures walking this planet. :rolleyes:

Nor at my church, but I have to say Bill that some of the things suggested about us Christians on this thread are hilarious.....sort of.:)

It would seem by this thread that we (believers) are some really vile creatures walking this planet. :rolleyes: You mean it sounds like the way Hitler described the Jew in Nazi Germany. Gas the Christians and worship at the alter of progresive secularism and utopian socialism. Wait Hillary isnt in yet...just give us your money and shut the hell up.

Hmmm. The Hitler thing again. I doubt Hitler personally killed many Jews. Most of this work was done by rank and file Germans, most of whom were at least raised in the christian tradition. Prior to the rise of hitler, catholics and protestants were the mainstream of Germany. The christians do not have clean hands here. bk

I wonder how many people in that village Bill's church is helping out have decided they don't need the white mans god. I'll bet not many have 'opted out'. You know, biting the hand that feeds you, and all. bk

I wonder how many people in that village Bill's church is helping out have decided they don't need the white mans god. I'll bet not many have 'opted out'. You know, biting the hand that feeds you, and all. bk
So what? This affects you how? And it's the Jews' God BTW....hate them too?

A low number of people 'opting out' of beilng taught chrlstianity would indicate that it's not so voluntary after all. One might conclude that the 'charity' is being given with an eye towards 'garnering souls'. With ulterior motives like this, it's not really charity. This is why it doesn't balance off the historical evil works of many christians. bk

A low number of people 'opting out' of beilng taught chrlstianity would indicate that it's not so voluntary after all. One might conclude that the 'charity' is being given with an eye towards 'garnering souls'. With ulterior motives like this, it's not really charity. This is why it doesn't balance off the historical evil works of many christians. bk
That makes perfect sense!! Why would anyone really want to follow the God of someone who for no apparent reason other than this God, left their life of ease and travelled across the world to comfort them and give them food, shelter, education and love. I mean it was so much better before "they" got there...

I will stick to my guns and say that the only way we all can get along is with a very limited government.
How about very limited religion in addition to limited government?

Or how about government that is more decentralized so it is closer to the people and more responsive to the prols?

How about very limited religion in addition to limited government?

Or how about government that is more decentralized so it is closer to the people and more responsive to the prols?
Or how 'bout anarchy....:D

How about very limited religion in addition to limited government?

Or how about government that is more decentralized so it is closer to the people and more responsive to the prols?Religion is a personal choice and Christians do have the right to free speach as do you. I love the idea of a more decentralized govt however. If you think about the large portion of money that we all pay to the federal govt so %80 of it can be chewed up by federal employees , with the balance getting redistributed, it is no wonder we all argue for the scraps. Without getting too far from the topic. If you limited the resources of the feds, I doubt they would do half of the dumb things that both sides hate.

Sure, individual and organized acts of charity make you feel like you have atoned. I do it myself. However, the question I'm getting at, is "can ANYTHING atone for the horrors christianity has inflicted on mankind"? I don't think so. It's record is so depraved and disgusting that all credibility has been lost. bk

Sure, individual and organized acts of charity make you feel like you have atoned. I do it myself. However, the question I'm getting at, is "can ANYTHING atone for the horrors christianity has inflicted on mankind"? I don't think so. It's record is so depraved and disgusting that all credibility has been lost. bk
That's the question you're getting at? I couldn't tell. You are on the verge of "troll" at this point....:rolleyes:

Let's not judge history based on today's values. If we do that, then all Americans should hang their heads in shame at how they first treated the indigenous Indian tribes and return to where their ancestors emigrated from. (BTW same for Australia).

The blackest parts of Christianity's history occurred as a result of its politicization, the methods of the times, and the fears and sins of men in charge who thought they were acting in Christianity's best interests. It is not necessarily a representation of Christ's teaching, just as the leaders of Al Qaeda are not a representation of Allah and Mohommed.

Let's not judge history based on today's values. If we do that, then all Americans should hang their heads in shame at how they first treated the indigenous Indian tribes and return to where their ancestors emigrated from. (BTW same for Australia).

The blackest parts of Christianity's history occurred as a result of its politicization, the methods of the times, and the fears and sins of men in charge who thought they were acting in Christianity's best interests. It is not necessarily a representation of Christ's teaching, just as the leaders of Al Qaeda are not a representation of Allah and Mohommed. Islam doesnt teach peacefull coexistance with other religions. I havnt studied too much of it, but my wife is a convert from 30 years of being Muslim. Mohommed spred Islam by the sword and wasnt a peacefull chap.(wifes words)

Islam doesnt teach peacefull coexistance with other religions. I havnt studied too much of it, but my wife is a convert from 30 years of being Muslim. Mohommed spred Islam by the sword and wasnt a peacefull chap.(wifes words)
So what you are saying is that islam was spread the same way christianity was. :p

So what you are saying is that islam was spread the same way christianity was. :pBut the Koran instructs muslims to kill infidels, doesn't it? And it lauds its historic warrior leaders as heroes.

Christian killers were naughty deluded machiavelian means-to-an-end types that we now look back on with disdain (but as Christians, gladly accept the fruits;) ). And if you ignore much of the Old Testament, Christians shouldn't use violence.:rolleyes:

So what you are saying is that islam was spread the same way christianity was. :p Your hatred of Christians blinds you from making any point at all.

Your hatred of Christians blinds you from making any point at all.No. I think his point was very succinctly made and very poignant. You made a negative judgment about Islam, but failed to see the irony that Christianity has also a history of brutality and sword wheeling.

Are you not familiar with this history? Its not something that it is taught in Sunday School or church obviously. You have to read about it in history books. Christianity, like all nations and large organizations, tries to ignore its sordid past, in an attempt to bury it and forget it.

But I do hear your point that in present day doctrine, Islam is more aggressively violent than Christianity, though Muslims may disagree.

Sure, individual and organized acts of charity make you feel like you have atoned. I do it myself. However, the question I'm getting at, is "can ANYTHING atone for the horrors christianity has inflicted on mankind"? I don't think so. It's record is so depraved and disgusting that all credibility has been lost. bkThat's the question you're getting at? I couldn't tell. You are on the verge of "troll" at this point....:rolleyes:Actually there isn't anything to atone for. I'm technically a Catholic, and I got forgiveness from the big "G" himself about these ancestoral sins some 20 years ago in the confessional box.

And nns1400 is probably a Protestant and they had nothing to do with the Crusades or the Inquisition so she's golden.

But if you are depressed because no one will give you an apology, I suggest you join a therapy group or something. The first step is admitting you have a problem.:p

Your hatred of Christians blinds you from making any point at all.
Oh, come on. You don't see the irony of a christian criticizing the the way islam was spread?

It's like Dubya criticizing Saddam.