Shoes question: Are cushioning and motion control mutually exclusive?

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Most running shoes I see today are marketed as ~either~ a cushioning or a motion control shoe. Are
there any shoes that are both?

Or is there a reason why they can't be?

"tg" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message news:lyA5a.209558$Ec4.212940@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...

> Contrary to popular belief all motion control, and stability shoes are cushioned as well.
> Cushioned shoes just don't have any stability or motion control.

You imbecile. Buy virtue of the fact that stability shoes must limit or restrict the range of
movement of the foot, they should only have a limited ability to cushion impact. Too much cushioning
would afford the foot the opportunity to deviate from it's desired path, thus negating the benefits
of the motion control aspects of the shoe.

Those of you with long memories may recall the first Nike 'Equator', back in about '81. This was a
rock-solid but outstanding motion control shoe that worked for many over-pronators of my
acquaintance. Sadly, Nike decided the whines from those wanting a cushioned motion-control shoe were
too loud, and discontinued this excellent product. We now have a market that desires both in one
shoe, clearly a "bridge too far" in current shoe design terms. It's an either/or, not both.

You're the imbecile. Contact any of the shoe MFG's and ask the same question. All you self appointed
experts don't have a clue and you handing out erroneous information. I'm a design engineer for a
running shoe MFG. so I think I'm more qualified to answer the question.

"Roger Hunter" <ronin11@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "tg" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message news:lyA5a.209558$Ec4.212940@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
>
> > Contrary to popular belief all motion control, and stability shoes are cushioned as well.
> > Cushioned shoes just don't have any stability or motion control.
>
> You imbecile. Buy virtue of the fact that stability shoes must limit or restrict the range of
> movement of the foot, they should only have a
limited
> ability to cushion impact. Too much cushioning would afford the foot the opportunity to deviate
> from it's desired path, thus negating the benefits
of
> the motion control aspects of the shoe.
>
> Those of you with long memories may recall the first Nike 'Equator', back
in
> about '81. This was a rock-solid but outstanding motion control shoe
that
> worked for many over-pronators of my acquaintance. Sadly, Nike decided
the
> whines from those wanting a cushioned motion-control shoe were too loud,
and
> discontinued this excellent product. We now have a market that desires both in one shoe, clearly a
> "bridge too far" in current shoe design terms. It's an either/or, not both.

"tg" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message news:AqQ5a.196727$SD6.10265@sccrnsc03...

> You're the imbecile. Contact any of the shoe MFG's and ask the same question. All you self
> appointed experts don't have a clue and you handing out erroneous information. I'm a design
> engineer for a running shoe MFG. so I think I'm more
qualified
> to answer the question.

No! You're the imbecile! (sorry, that bit was to keep Bill happy)

I don't care whether you designed the Space Shuttle, as a doctor I can tell you that you CANNOT
restrict motion AND retain cushioning in any area of human anatomy by incorporating the 'technology'
currently employed in running shoes. Sure, if you set up titanium plates or an external framework to
limit the range of motion and employ some form of elastomer to limit shock and you MAY be able to
cushion a joint within a defined range of movement, but - and here pray correct me if I'm wrong - I
don't see many running shoes employing this technique.

You're a arrogant fool attempting to employ an ill-considered engineering solution to a human
biomechanical problem. Go away and study human anatomy. Then come back and tell me you can improve
on 20,000 years of evolution with a few bits of suede, plastics and blown rubber. "Design
engineer" my ass!

That's because your head is up your ass.

"Roger Hunter" <ronin11@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Doug Freese" <dfreese@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message news:3E57EEE6.4060204@hvc.rr.com...
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> > And you were busting on the spelling of Algarves vs Algarve. "Buy virtue?" And how much is that?
>
> Damn, double-damn and triple-damn. I do that *every* time. It's like spelling "aspirin" "asprin".
> I know it's wrong ,but the message can't escape my brain into the real world.
>
>

We should all be so lucky if ALL trolls, such as yourself, would take your advice.

"Roger Hunter" <ronin11@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "tg" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message news:k8R5a.196950$SD6.9776@sccrnsc03...
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> > I'm not going to continue this exchange. You MUST be correct, after all
> your
> > a DOCTOR. I bow down to your superiority. You intelligence is surpassed only by
> your
> > ignorance.
>
> Good. Now bugger off, and don't darken the doors of rec.running again.

"tg" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message news:smR5a.199781$iG3.23706@sccrnsc02...

> We should all be so lucky if ALL trolls, such as yourself, would take your advice.

Troll I am. I would also appear to possess a greater understanding of the limitations of
contemporary running shoe design that a self-proclaimed shoe "design engineer". What does that say
about the structure of the world in which we live?

"Roger Hunter" <ronin11@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "tg" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message news:smR5a.199781$iG3.23706@sccrnsc02...
>
> > We should all be so lucky if ALL trolls, such as yourself, would take
your
> > advice.
>
> Troll I am. I would also appear to possess a greater understanding of
the

According to who????? Only in your mind...in the setting of this newsgroup...how pathetic.

> limitations of contemporary running shoe design that a self-proclaimed
shoe
> "design engineer". What does that say about the structure of the world
in
> which we live?

Structured Cushioning For the runner who craves a balance of cushioning and support. The foot is
protected by ASICS® legendary GEL® Cushioning System while ASICS® stability features enhance
performance by helping to keep the foot in a neutral position.

GEL-KAYANO® IX GEL-CREEDT GT-2080T GEL-1080T Ø GEL-1080T GEL-MYLEST GEL-CENTRICT

Cushioning For the runner whose body doesn't attenuate shock easily due to a rigid foot, the large
cushioning properties of these shoes provide comfort and padding. The emphasis here is on ASICS®
GEL® Cushioning System.

GEL-NIMBUST IV GEL-CUMULUST IV GEL-TREYT GEL-LEGATOT LE GEL-LEGATOT GEL-VIGOROUST

Motion Control For the runner whose tendency to overpronate compromises athletic performance. The
emphasis in these well-cushioned shoes is on ASICS® proprietary motion control features such as the
Trusstic System® and DuoMax®.

GEL-KOJIT GS GEL-FOUNDATION® IV

I rest my case.....

"tg" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message news:vhS5a.222979$Ec4.224352@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
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> "Roger Hunter" <ronin11@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:b38o47$1ji66j$1@ID-163600.news.dfncis.de...
> > "tg" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message news:smR5a.199781$iG3.23706@sccrnsc02...
> >
> > > We should all be so lucky if ALL trolls, such as yourself, would take
> your
> > > advice.
> >
> > Troll I am. I would also appear to possess a greater understanding of
> the
>
> According to who????? Only in your mind...in the setting of this newsgroup...how pathetic.
>
> > limitations of contemporary running shoe design that a self-proclaimed
> shoe
> > "design engineer". What does that say about the structure of the world
> in
> > which we live?
> >
> >
>

"tg" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message news:vhS5a.222979$Ec4.224352@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...

Yunno tg, I did a little tracking on you - out of a warped sense of curiosity - and what I found was
that you are no more a 'shoe design engineer' than I am the President of Uganda. You're YET ANOTHER
member of what would appear to be the fastest growing club on the planet, the rec.running 'Walter
Mitty' posters association. Where *do* you guys come from? And *why* do you bother to post?

Go away, you're sussed.

Once again you don't know what your talking about but you have this need to keep proving that to the
rest of us.

"Roger Hunter" <ronin11@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "tg" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message news:vhS5a.222979$Ec4.224352@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
>
> Yunno tg, I did a little tracking on you - out of a warped sense of curiosity - and what I found
> was that you are no more a 'shoe design engineer' than I am the President of Uganda. You're YET
> ANOTHER member
of
> what would appear to be the fastest growing club on the planet, the rec.running 'Walter Mitty'
> posters association. Where *do* you guys
come
> from? And *why* do you bother to post?
>
> Go away, you're sussed.