Landis' last gasp

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I think we would all have some sympathy if a rider admits his guilt.

Landis refused, point blank, to give up the charade.
Landis deliberately prevaricated and lied after stage 16 of the 2006 TDF,
When the test came back positive, he said it was due to his drinking alcohol during the TDF.
Then his excuse morphed in to something about his having a naturally high level of testosterone.
Then his excuse changed again - saying that the lab were at fault.

I lost count as to how many times he put forward excuses.

I reckon the truth will die with Landis. He can never own up. He acted the way he did because he felt cheated. Problem was he took his anger out on the wrong people. He should have been angry at those who enticed him to dope in the first place, and at himself for not havng the courage to say no. I also think he would have been angry at the UCI for turning a blind eye to USPS doping then stamping down the minute LA retires. However, he couldn't express that anger because he would have then had to admit to his own doping whilst on that team.
Yeah even if he wanted to tell all I'm not sure he could becuase they may bring fraud charges against him ! He's lost everything now..... I'm not sure what he he can do now ? Write another book ! lol !

Yeah even if he wanted to tell all I'm not sure he could becuase they may bring fraud charges against him ! He's lost everything now..... I'm not sure what he he can do now ? Write another book ! lol !Johan could give him some tips. Might As Well Lie would be a good title. Or Might As Well Dope Too Seeing As How Every Other F*cker on USPS Is

I thought this summed proceedings well:

In the end, the panel saved its harshest criticism for Landis, who it said essentially tried to muddle the evidence and embarrass the French lab, and continued on that course even after the evidence was shown not to exist.
"Appelant's experts crossed the line, acting for the most part as advocates for the Appelant's cause, and not as scientists objectively assisting the Panel in the search for truth," the decision read.
Surely the lawyers, who perhaps are use to duping dumb American juries (?), deserve some of the blaim. In the Hamilton case, these guys continued to state that the lab who performed his blood doping test was incompetent because they had yielded a false positive when they were being vetted for the test. This was despite the fact that they were aware that there was never an actual false postive because the lab who sent them the known sample was mistaken about it being clean, when in fact it was a doped sample.

Landis appeal dismissed:

Lausanne, 30 June 2008 – The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) has dismissed the appeal filed by the American cyclist Floyd Landis and has confirmed the initial decision issued by a Panel of the American Arbitration Association (AAA) on 20 September 2007. Consequently, Floyd Landis is disqualified from the Tour de France 2006 and is suspended for a period of two years starting from 30 January 2007. Floyd Landis has been ordered to pay the sum of USD 100'000 to the United States Anti-doping Agency (USADA) as a contribution towards its costs in the CAS arbitration. Great news! :D I was fearing that CAS would admit lab irregularities and say that he is guilty but cannot be convicted. Let's now see what excuses the apologists come up with.

I think we would all have some sympathy if a rider admits his guilt.

Landis refused, point blank, to give up the charade.
Landis deliberately prevaricated and lied after stage 16 of the 2006 TDF,
When the test came back positive, he said it was due to his drinking alcohol during the TDF.
Then his excuse morphed in to something about his having a naturally high level of testosterone.
Then his excuse changed again - saying that the lab were at fault.

I lost count as to how many times he put forward excuses. Yeah, I think Lance even suggested that FL should stop the excuse spitting machine and just wait for more results.

And now, FL can never really own up. If he does, it will cause outrage among his believers who have forked a good chunk of his legal cost. I agree with Rolfrae that chances are that the truth will die with him.

Oh dear.....



Landis said he was "saddened" by the verdict. "I am looking into my legal options and deciding on the best way to proceed," he added.

Oh dear.....



Landis said he was "saddened" by the verdict. "I am looking into my legal options and deciding on the best way to proceed," he added. What other "legal options" are there for Landis? Isn't CAS the end of the road?

Surely the lawyers, who perhaps are use to duping dumb American juries (?), deserve some of the blaim. In the Hamilton case, these guys continued to state that the lab who performed his blood doping test was incompetent because they had yielded a false positive when they were being vetted for the test. This was despite the fact that they were aware that there was never an actual false postive because the lab who sent them the known sample was mistaken about it being clean, when in fact it was a doped sample.You hit on something I brought out all along and that is the true winners in this case are the lawyers and the 'consultants' who were well compensated for their testimony. Landis wasn't going to win, that was clear from the onset.

The longer this thing dragged on, the more the lawyers could bill. And what better way to pay for it than a fund from individual donors. All those donors did was feed money to a law firm and as a double whammy they spent even more of their tax money (and mine) by making USADA defend against the suit.

What other "legal options" are there for Landis? Isn't CAS the end of the road?His suspension ends in six months. Maybe he should start training.

I reckon the truth will die with Landis.No truth is truth, admissions don't change that.

No truth is truth, admissions don't change that. The fact here is that he took testosterone. But he couldn't have won the stage by taking testosterone. So, the question is what did he actually take, and how did his testosterone go so out of whack to trigger a positive with the T/E method. That is the "truth" referred here (I think).

Landis wasn't going to win, that was clear from the onset.

That may be easier to say in hindsight... but if I remember the feeling before the arbitration decision... it wasn't 100% clear what the outcome was going to be.

Not disagreeing with the decision though...

The fact here is that he took testosterone. But he couldn't have won the stage by taking testosterone. So, the question is what did he actually take, and how did his testosterone go so out of whack to trigger a positive with the T/E method. That is the "truth" referred here (I think).
...you appear to be correct sir, my assholiness is on parade today. I flamed a guy over at DP because I read his post wrong....maybe I should lay off of the steroids and testosterone....

That may be easier to say in hindsight... but if I remember the feeling before the arbitration decision... it wasn't 100% clear what the outcome was going to be.

Not disagreeing with the decision though...I think arguing against the IRMS test is extremely difficult. His arguments were not science based - they were procedure based, which was really his only shot. I suppose he had a chance (based upon the Landaluze finding), but in an aribitration proceeding like this it was unlikely to succeed. If it were a criminal case in the US he may well have beaten the charge (doesn't mean he is innocent), but the evidentiary rules are much greater (for good reason) in those cases. When they tested his other B samples with IRMS and found them positive as well, it was game over.

When they tested his other B samples with IRMS and found them positive as well, it was game over.
I can stomach people thinking the system isn't fair, etc. but the one's who think he is actually innocent of doping are delusional.

Landis probably nearly shit himself when they said they were going to go back and test the other samples.

He really does end up looking like a complete idiot in this whole thing. He should have just accepted his medicine like a big boy and taken his deserved lumps as one of the ones who played the game and got caught out.

Now those lawyers have all his money and he looks like a complete douche because of what he tried to do to Lemond. Only the ignorant and hard-core ostriches think he didn't dope.

He really does end up looking like a complete idiot in this whole thing. He should have just accepted his medicine like a big boy and taken his deserved lumps as one of the ones who played the game and got caught out. He may have accepted his medicine if he didn't have the yellow jersey at stake.

Landis exercised his options under the World Anti-Doping Code and appealed that decision to CAS. The CAS panel — composed of New Zealander David Williams, French attorney Jan Paulsson and New York lawyer David Rivkin — heard Landis’s appeal in New York in March of this year and the resulting 58-page decision was issued Monday.
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Its a Kiwi-Yank-French conspiracy ! There all in on it I tell ya !

I can stomach people thinking the system isn't fair, etc. but the one's who think he is actually innocent of doping are delusional.

Landis probably nearly shit himself when they said they were going to go back and test the other samples.

He really does end up looking like a complete idiot in this whole thing. He should have just accepted his medicine like a big boy and taken his deserved lumps as one of the ones who played the game and got caught out.

Now those lawyers have all his money and he looks like a complete douche because of what he tried to do to Lemond. Only the ignorant and hard-core ostriches think he didn't dope.The irony is that the asthmatic Pereiro is now the Tour Champion. Truly one of the most undeserving and unnotable Tour winners of recent memory.

The irony is that the asthmatic Pereiro is now the Tour Champion. Truly one of the most undeserving and unnotable Tour winners of recent memory.Undeserving? He was the highest placed rider who didn't fail a drug test, and he earned his spot. Don't see what's undeserving about that.

Sure he got lucky with that long break, but so what? That's racing, and kudos to him for having the balls to go for it when he could've just given up and rode along in the peloton - wasn't his fault that no one chased.

And how is it really any different than Landis' St 17, anyway? Landis gained time back because no one chased, so if he - Landis - did end up with the win, would you say that was equally undeserving?

And kudos to Pereiro for riding his guts out afterwards to hold on to second, which eventually gave him the win.

Although having said that, I don't think Pereiro was any cleaner than Landis, mind you:rolleyes: