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On Apr 25, 5:19 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> Pat in Upstate New York wrote:
>
> > [...]
> > The raccoons and the squirrels and the deer and the antelope are all
> > doing fine up here.[...]
>
> Antelope?
>

Okay, no altelope locally; but remember the old song "home on the
range". Since I was using "deer"; I had to use antelope because of
the lyrics "... where the deer and the antelope play...."

In article <211ee46e-0451-43f1-80c7-e29cd9488fa5@24g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Pat <groups@artisticphotography.us> writes:
> On Apr 25, 5:19 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> Pat in Upstate New York wrote:
>>
>> > [...]
>> > The raccoons and the squirrels and the deer and the antelope are all
>> > doing fine up here.[...]
>>
> > Antelope?
> >
> Okay, no altelope locally; but remember the old song "home on the
> range". Since I was using "deer"; I had to use antelope because of
> the lyrics "... where the deer and the antelope play...."

from:
http://www.silver.org/humor/woodyallen.html
--
"A Woody Allen Monologue from the 1960s

'Here's a story you're not going to believe. I shot a moose once.
I was hunting in upstate New York, and I shot a moose.'"
&c.
--

So I guess you're where the deer and the moose play.

And maybe at least one Buffalo.


cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

On Apr 26, 4:20 am, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article <211ee46e-0451-43f1-80c7-e29cd9488...@24g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>         Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> writes:
>
> > On Apr 25, 5:19 am, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Pat in Upstate New York wrote:
>
> >> > [...]
> >> > The raccoons and the squirrels and the deer and the antelope are all
> >> > doing fine up here.[...]
>
> >  > Antelope?
>
> > Okay, no altelope locally; but remember the old song "home on the
> > range".  Since I was using "deer"; I had to use antelope because of
> > the lyrics "... where the deer and the antelope play...."
>
> from:
>        http://www.silver.org/humor/woodyallen.html
> --
>   "A Woody Allen Monologue from the 1960s
>
>  'Here's a story you're not going to believe. I shot a moose once.
>   I was hunting in upstate New York, and I shot a moose.'"
>   &c.
> --
>
> So I guess you're where the deer and the moose play.
>
> And maybe at least one Buffalo.
>

Gee, I WISH the bills played. We don't have professional football, we
have the Bills.

There are some moose around in the Adirondacks. There are some elk up
the road on a farm. Plus there are always Jackalopes around.

> cheers,
>         Tom
>
> --
> Nothing is safe from me.
> I'm really at:
> tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Pat wrote:

>> And maybe at least one Buffalo.
>>
>
> Gee, I WISH the bills played. We don't have professional football, we
> have the Bills.

Buffalo, the city, is about as dead as it's namesake around there. If
Pat lived in a place where the population doubled every twenty years
rather than halving every twenty, his whole outlook would be different.

On Apr 26, 8:32 pm, Eric Vey <jun...@ericvey.com> wrote:
> Pat wrote:
> >> And maybe at least one Buffalo.
>
> > Gee, I WISH the bills played.  We don't have professional football, we
> > have the Bills.
>
> Buffalo, the city, is about as dead as it's namesake around there. If
> Pat lived in a place where the population doubled every twenty years
> rather than halving every twenty, his whole outlook would be different.

True, my outlook would probably be very differernt. It would probably
be hateful and egocentric and arrogant and close-minded like many of
the people in the NG. So all-in-all, I think I'll stay where I am and
continue to enjoy myself and my environment.

"Eric Vey" <junker@ericvey.com> wrote in message
news:fv0h9o$an2$1@news.datemas.de...
> Pat wrote:
>
> >> And maybe at least one Buffalo.
> >>
> >
> > Gee, I WISH the bills played. We don't have professional football, we
> > have the Bills.
>
> Buffalo, the city, is about as dead as it's namesake around there. If
> Pat lived in a place where the population doubled every twenty years
> rather than halving every twenty, his whole outlook would be different.

You can say that again.

"ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:540136ad-2442-4009-ac50-a6ed11acf65e@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

The Bible in being so vague is left to many interpretations. Like the
quoted above...

(Isa. 11:6):

The wolf shall also dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie
down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling
together; and a little child shall lead them.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?


---------------------

Barack Obama has been trying to convince us that his bitterness line is
straight out of the Bible.

So.

I think the fatling is Hilary and he is the calf and they'll finally make
peace real soon.

mk5000

"fish and guests stink after three days"--Ben Franklin

Pat wrote:
It would probably
> be hateful and egocentric and arrogant and close-minded like many of
> the people in the NG.

You mistake what you see. People here have been much more tolerant and
open-minded towards you than you have been towards them. You have been
the egocentric one. You keep insisting that how and where you live is
how other people live.

Here is the proof:

>So all-in-all, I think I'll stay where I am and
>continue to enjoy myself and my environment.

How egotistical is that? You live in a place that most people are
leaving because there is no work there anymore, leaving behind what
their taxes built. People wouldn't even care about that, but then, you
brag about how empty the roads are where you live. That's egotistical.

Here's a clue for you, Pat. If you lived where the population doubled
every 20 years and has been doubling every 20 years for the last 80
years, you would know that the roads can't possibly keep pace with that.
All the roads and streets would have to be widened every 30 or so years
to keep congestion down. I think that even you would admit that it can't
be done.

And when people say, "Can't be done, there must be a better way" you
chime in with "Well I don't understand what the fuss is about, I don't
have any trouble."

That's egotistical.

In article <ApSdnXOSjOd4fo7VnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@rcn.net>,
"marika" <marika5000@gmail.com> writes:
>
> "ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:540136ad-2442-4009-ac50-a6ed11acf65e@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> The Bible in being so vague is left to many interpretations. Like the
> quoted above...
>
> (Isa. 11:6):
>
> The wolf shall also dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie
> down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling
> together; and a little child shall lead them.
>
> WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

Life will be good again for everybody,
as it was simply meant to be, before
people started complicatin' things up and
fscking up The World with human infictions
and trivial beefs.

The time's a-comin' when peace will reign
(and the USA won't.)


--
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

"George Conklin" <nil@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Eric Vey" <junker@ericvey.com> wrote in message
> news:fv0h9o$an2$1@news.datemas.de...
>> Pat wrote:
>>
>> >> And maybe at least one Buffalo.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Gee, I WISH the bills played. We don't have professional football, we
>> > have the Bills.
>>
>> Buffalo, the city, is about as dead as it's namesake around there. If
>> Pat lived in a place where the population doubled every twenty years
>> rather than halving every twenty, his whole outlook would be different.
>
> You can say that again.

That

"Tom Keats" <tomkeats@bud.garden.local> wrote in message
news:s0q0vf.jh3.ln@vcn.bc.ca...

>
> The time's a-comin' when peace will reign
> (and the USA won't.)
>
>
didn't know you were involved, but what war will stop?

mk5000

on the bubble

On Apr 16, 3:58 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> WHAT DO OUR FRIENDS WHO ARE EXPERTS AT SURVIVAL SAY? ;)

Never leave your house and cars might not hit you.

Listen to me, I am Commandante Apeshit and therefore an expert.

On Apr 26, 10:51 pm, Eric Vey <jun...@ericvey.com> wrote:
> Pat wrote:
>
> It would probably
>
> > be hateful and egocentric and arrogant and close-minded like many of
> > the people in the NG.
>
> You mistake what you see. People here have been much more tolerant and
> open-minded towards you than you have been towards them. You have been
> the egocentric one. You keep insisting that how and where you live is
> how other people live.
>
> Here is the proof:
>
>  >So all-in-all, I think I'll stay where I am and
>  >continue to enjoy myself and my environment.
>
> How egotistical is that? You live in a place that most people are
> leaving because there is no work there anymore, leaving behind what
> their taxes built. People wouldn't even care about that, but then, you
> brag about how empty the roads are where you live. That's egotistical.
>
> Here's a clue for you, Pat. If you lived where the population doubled
> every 20 years and has been doubling every 20 years for the last 80
> years, you would know that the roads can't possibly keep pace with that.
> All the roads and streets would have to be widened every 30 or so years
> to keep congestion down. I think that even you would admit that it can't
> be done.
>
> And when people say, "Can't be done, there must be a better way" you
> chime in with "Well I don't understand what the fuss is about, I don't
> have any trouble."
>
> That's egotistical.

The primary difference is that you (and others) keeps saying things
like "if YOU lived..." or "if YOU did" or "people should..." or "the
world would be better if..." and I say things like "I think that I
will...".

You think the whole world revolves around you and that other people
should comform to your thoughts. I think that I like living how I
live, living where I live and doing what I do. Liking my life doesn't
make me egocentric -- if makes me sane. You think "I don't like such
and such and people should change to correct it". I think that if I
don't like such and such, either I change it or I change myself. It
is because I think that you have the right to live as you like (within
reason and the law) and I'm fine with that.

In article <ae83b443-82a7-4b6f-b897-72d354099456@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
ComandanteBanana <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> writes:

> WHAT DO OUR FRIENDS WHO ARE EXPERTS AT SURVIVAL SAY? ;)

You don't need to yell.

Anyway, the first rule in getting by in life is: never run
out of toilet paper.

In an emergency, a bag of potato chips makes pretty
good kindling. It also makes pretty good BBQ starter.


--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

On Apr 27, 11:39 pm, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article <ae83b443-82a7-4b6f-b897-72d354099...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
>         ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> > WHAT DO OUR FRIENDS WHO ARE EXPERTS AT SURVIVAL SAY? ;)
>
> You don't need to yell.
>
> Anyway, the first rule in getting by in life is: never run
> out of toilet paper.
>
> In an emergency, a bag of potato chips makes pretty
> good kindling.  It also makes pretty good BBQ starter.
>
> --
> Nothing is safe from me.
> I'm really at:
> tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

No, I thought the first rule for travelers was to always carry your
own towel because if you are thoughtful enough to carry a towel, then
you never know what else you might be carrying (or something like
that).

Pat wrote:
> On Apr 27, 11:39 pm, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
>> In article <ae83b443-82a7-4b6f-b897-72d354099...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
>> ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> WHAT DO OUR FRIENDS WHO ARE EXPERTS AT SURVIVAL SAY? ;)
>> You don't need to yell.
>>
>> Anyway, the first rule in getting by in life is: never run
>> out of toilet paper.
>>
>> In an emergency, a bag of potato chips makes pretty
>> good kindling. It also makes pretty good BBQ starter.
>>
>> --
>> Nothing is safe from me.
>> I'm really at:
>> tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
>
> No, I thought the first rule for travelers was to always carry your
> own towel because if you are thoughtful enough to carry a towel, then
> you never know what else you might be carrying (or something like
> that).

DON'T PANIC!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

In rec.bicycles.misc Pat <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
> On Apr 26, 10:51 pm, Eric Vey <jun...@ericvey.com> wrote:
>>
>> And when people say, "Can't be done, there must be a better way" you
>> chime in with "Well I don't understand what the fuss is about, I don't
>> have any trouble."
>>
>> That's egotistical.
>
> The primary difference is that you (and others) keeps saying things
> like "if YOU lived..." or "if YOU did" or "people should..." or "the
> world would be better if..." and I say things like "I think that I
> will...".
>
> You think the whole world revolves around you and that other people
> should comform to your thoughts. I think that I like living how I
> live, living where I live and doing what I do. Liking my life doesn't
> make me egocentric -- if makes me sane. You think "I don't like such
> and such and people should change to correct it". I think that if I
> don't like such and such, either I change it or I change myself. It
> is because I think that you have the right to live as you like (within
> reason and the law) and I'm fine with that.

Quite so. I wouldn't particularly want to live where you do [1], but I
don't quite understand all the condemnation you get for liking to live
out in the hinterlands.

Do I think that the shifting economics of our times mean that it will
become less desirable to live farther out? Yes, I think it will, and I
don't necessarily think it's a bad thing. But I also think it will be
(or at least should be) a gradual transition spurred by economics and
changes in social norms. The exact same way we ended up with suburbs
and exurbs we have now.

[1] Being the glittering urbanite that I am.

--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
Unfortunately, most programmers like to play with new toys. I have many
friends who, immediately upon buying a snakebite kit, would be tempted to
throw the first person they see to the ground, tie the tourniquet on him,
slash him with the knife, and apply suction to the wound. -- Jon Bentley

On May 12, 12:46 pm, Dane Buson <d...@unseen.edu> wrote:
> In rec.bicycles.misc Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 26, 10:51 pm, Eric Vey <jun...@ericvey.com> wrote:
>
> >> And when people say, "Can't be done, there must be a better way" you
> >> chime in with "Well I don't understand what the fuss is about, I don't
> >> have any trouble."
>
> >> That's egotistical.
>
> > The primary difference is that you (and others) keeps saying things
> > like "if YOU lived..." or "if YOU did" or "people should..." or "the
> > world would be better if..." and I say things like "I think that I
> > will...".
>
> > You think the whole world revolves around you and that other people
> > should comform to your thoughts.  I think that I like living how I
> > live, living where I live and doing what I do.  Liking my life doesn't
> > make me egocentric -- if makes me sane.  You think "I don't like such
> > and such and people should change to correct it".  I think that if I
> > don't like such and such, either I change it or I change myself.  It
> > is because I think that you have the right to live as you like (within
> > reason and the law) and I'm fine with that.
>
> Quite so.  I wouldn't particularly want to live where you do [1], but I
> don't quite understand all the condemnation you get for liking to live
> out in the hinterlands.  

Most people don't understand anything about "the hinderlands" like
that we have cars and can go to cities if we need to. Therefore we
have access to the same doctors and hospitals and malls and shows and
such. It's not like we have to hitch up horses to wagons to get
anywhere.

We also have TVs and cable and internet and such.

Most people also don't understand that lots of "vacationlands' are in
rural areas. I just live here year-round instead of for a week in the
summer.

But the most mis-understood thing is that we have everything here (or
within a reasonable distance or through e-commerce) that I want.
Okay, I don't have a 24-hour Sushi restaurant, but I don't WANT that.
We don't have a 24-hour grocery or 24-hour drug store, but so what. I
don't want Cheerios at 2 AM. There is everything you want, here. You
just end up wanting different things.

But I understand that this isn't for everyone. But I like it. But if
you like a city, good for you. You might want Cheerios at 2 AM. It
takes all kinds.


>
> Do I think that the shifting economics of our times mean that it will
> become less desirable to live farther out?  Yes, I think it will, and I
> don't necessarily think it's a bad thing.  But I also think it will be
> (or at least should be) a gradual transition spurred by economics and
> changes in social norms.  The exact same way we ended up with suburbs
> and exurbs we have now.
>
> [1] Being the glittering urbanite that I am.
>
> --
> Dane Buson - sigd...@unixbigots.org
> Unfortunately, most programmers like to play with new toys.  I have many
> friends who, immediately upon buying a snakebite kit, would be tempted to
> throw the first person they see to the ground, tie the tourniquet on him,
> slash him with the knife, and apply suction to the wound.  -- Jon Bentley- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

On Mon, 12 May 2008 09:46:11 -0700, Dane Buson <dane@unseen.edu>
wrote:

>In rec.bicycles.misc Pat <groups@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
>> On Apr 26, 10:51 pm, Eric Vey <jun...@ericvey.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And when people say, "Can't be done, there must be a better way" you
>>> chime in with "Well I don't understand what the fuss is about, I don't
>>> have any trouble."
>>>
>>> That's egotistical.
>>
>> The primary difference is that you (and others) keeps saying things
>> like "if YOU lived..." or "if YOU did" or "people should..." or "the
>> world would be better if..." and I say things like "I think that I
>> will...".
>>
>> You think the whole world revolves around you and that other people
>> should comform to your thoughts. I think that I like living how I
>> live, living where I live and doing what I do. Liking my life doesn't
>> make me egocentric -- if makes me sane. You think "I don't like such
>> and such and people should change to correct it". I think that if I
>> don't like such and such, either I change it or I change myself. It
>> is because I think that you have the right to live as you like (within
>> reason and the law) and I'm fine with that.
>
>Quite so. I wouldn't particularly want to live where you do [1], but I
>don't quite understand all the condemnation you get for liking to live
>out in the hinterlands.
>
>Do I think that the shifting economics of our times mean that it will
>become less desirable to live farther out? Yes, I think it will, and I
>don't necessarily think it's a bad thing. But I also think it will be
>(or at least should be) a gradual transition spurred by economics and
>changes in social norms. The exact same way we ended up with suburbs
>and exurbs we have now.
>
>[1] Being the glittering urbanite that I am.

Lately the public transit ridership has increased to the point that
it's getting hard to find parking near bus and train terminals.

Eighteen bikes can fit into one parking space for a car.

I'd venture most drivers live within cycling distance of the closest
transit terminus. Even with downtown parking being more expensive
than transit fares too many people still choose to drive.
--
zk

"Zoot Katz" <zootkatz@operamail.com> wrote in message
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> I'd venture most drivers live within cycling distance of the closest
> transit terminus. Even with downtown parking being more expensive
> than transit fares too many people still choose to drive.
> --
> zk

Most jobs are not on transit lines.