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Seen on youtube:

<http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XW8DxfVcIno>


and

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_jT6qGB5GA&NR=1


Police cyclists demonstrating the superior training they get.


--

Tim

I understand very little of what's being discussed
but for some reason it's fascinating.

(Jon Thompson, urs)

Tim Hall wrote:
> Seen on youtube:
>
> <http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XW8DxfVcIno>

Lol, If the police caught a mere mortal doing that, that person would
get a FPN. I have never held onto another vehicle whilst cycling.


> and
>
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_jT6qGB5GA&NR=1

Pulling wheelies for the hell of it is just plain stupid, you would not
catch me doing it. (He is also riding on a foot path).

Martin Dann wrote:
>
> Tim Hall wrote:
>> Seen on youtube:
>>
>> <http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XW8DxfVcIno>
>
> Lol, If the police caught a mere mortal doing that, that person would
> get a FPN. I have never held onto another vehicle whilst cycling.
>
>
>> and
>>
>> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_jT6qGB5GA&NR=1
>
> Pulling wheelies for the hell of it is just plain stupid,

Surely pulling a wheelie for any other reason is just plain stupid!

He obviously needs a lot more practice as he hasn't even mastered
falling off properly.

> you would not
> catch me doing it. (He is also riding on a foot path).

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:50:03 GMT, Martin Dann <martin.dann@virgin.net>
wrote:

>
>Tim Hall wrote:
>> Seen on youtube:
>>
>> <http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XW8DxfVcIno>
>
>Lol, If the police caught a mere mortal doing that, that person would
>get a FPN. I have never held onto another vehicle whilst cycling.
>
>
>> and
>>
>> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_jT6qGB5GA&NR=1
>
>Pulling wheelies for the hell of it is just plain stupid, you would not
>catch me doing it. (He is also riding on a foot path).

I've seen some very impressive displays of wheelies by 15 year old
kids. It seems a far more suitable and healthy passtime for children
of that age than many of the other things they could be getting up to.
Though with a low speed fall directly onto a hard surface it may be
appropriate to wear a helmet.

Riding on a footway which is not by the side of a road is perfectly
legal unless the footpath has a specific cycling prohibition.

Martin Dann wrote:
>
> Tim Hall wrote:
>> Seen on youtube:
>>
>> <http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XW8DxfVcIno>
>
> Lol, If the police caught a mere mortal doing that, that person would
> get a FPN. I have never held onto another vehicle whilst cycling.
>
>
>> and
>>
>> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_jT6qGB5GA&NR=1
>
> Pulling wheelies for the hell of it is just plain stupid, you would not
> catch me doing it. (He is also riding on a foot path).

Surely the only people to complain about wheelies are those who would
like to do it but can't.

I'd love to be able to do a wheelie. I thought that my ability to ride a
unicycle would help, but apparently not.

Practice, practice, practice.....

On 25 Apr, 06:58, Tom Crispin <kije.rem...@this.bit.freeuk.com.munge>
wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:50:03 GMT, Martin Dann <martin.d...@virgin.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Tim Hall wrote:
> >> Seen on youtube:
>
> >> <http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XW8DxfVcIno>
>
> >Lol, If the police caught a mere mortal doing that, that person would
> >get a FPN. I have never held onto another vehicle whilst cycling.
>
> >> and
>
> >>http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_jT6qGB5GA&NR=1
>
> >Pulling wheelies for the hell of it is just plain stupid, you would not
> >catch me doing it. (He is also riding on a foot path).
>
> I've seen some very impressive displays of wheelies by 15 year old
> kids.

Same here. Better than any copper. Recently I also saw some pretty
impressive displays of 15 yr old kids doing wheelies on a motor-
scooter. Easily 10m.
I used to call the cops but recently stopped caring.

Rob Horton said the following on 25/04/2008 09:07:

> Surely the only people to complain about wheelies are those who would
> like to do it but can't.

I bet you're right there! Life is supposed to be fun, and if pulling a
wheelie is fun, then do it :-) I have been known to find a quiet spot
in the local woods and practise wheelying my MTB. An essential off-road
skill, of course!

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:50:03 GMT, Martin Dann <martin.dann@virgin.net>
wrote:

>
>Tim Hall wrote:
>> Seen on youtube:
>>
>> <http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XW8DxfVcIno>
>
>Lol, If the police caught a mere mortal doing that, that person would
>get a FPN. I have never held onto another vehicle whilst cycling.

Some motorists pass that close when overtaking...

>> and
>>
>> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_jT6qGB5GA&NR=1
>
>Pulling wheelies for the hell of it is just plain stupid, you would not
>catch me doing it. (He is also riding on a foot path).

LOL

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On Apr 24, 11:14 pm, Tim Hall <timh...@nospamtoday.clara.co.uk> wrote:

> Police cyclists demonstrating the superior training they get.

Taking a slightly different angle, the subject of training for police
cyclists has come up a few times. The reader comments under this
article

http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=258119&command=displayContent&sourceNode=232193&contentPK=20427537&moduleName=InternalSearch&formname=sidebarsearch&page=2&page=1#views

are quite interesting. There's a reference to Cyclecraft, although
it's not clear if they mean Franklin's book are the subject in
general.

The only time I've seen a PCSO on a bike in Gloucestershire, he was in
the gutter in what looked like ordinary uniform, so if he'd been on
the training, it hadn't worked.

Rob

Martin Dann <martin.dann@virgin.net> wrote:
> Tim Hall wrote:


I have never held onto another vehicle whilst cycling.
>

You haven't lived :-)

--

Geoff

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:33:18 -0700 (PDT), james.delap@googlemail.com
wrote:

>On Apr 25, 1:44 pm, leand...@googlemail.com wrote:
>> On Apr 24, 11:14 pm, Tim Hall <timh...@nospamtoday.clara.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > Police cyclists demonstrating the superior training they get.
>>
>> Taking a slightly different angle, the subject of training for police
>> cyclists has come up a few times. The reader comments under this
>> article
>>
>> http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=258119&...
>>
>
>I am staggered that the councillors are moaning about GBP700 for an
>equipped police bike on that grounds that halfords sell cheaper bikes
>and questioning whether training for police cyclists might be
>necessary. Aren't councillors supposed to have professional staff to
>advise them on topics that they haven't got a clue about. On balance,
>the reader comments are a bit more encouraging.

I can see the councillors' point.

If cycling is a normal everyday activity, why can't a community
support officer use an ordinary bike to get around? Does it have to
be a specially equipped? Do they need special training?

OK - city police, chasing handbag grabbers, shoplifters or drug
dealers down and up(?) stairs, along allyways and through shopping
centres may need to be properly equipped and trained. But a village
bobby going to investigate Mrs Miggins' missing knickers from her
washing line, with two giggling boys hiding in the ditch opposite!?

Surely a simple Pashley would be more than adequate.
www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/copper
www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/bobby

Tom Crispin wrote:

>>>
>> I am staggered that the councillors are moaning about GBP700 for an
>> equipped police bike on that grounds that halfords sell cheaper bikes
>> and questioning whether training for police cyclists might be
>> necessary. Aren't councillors supposed to have professional staff to
>> advise them on topics that they haven't got a clue about. On balance,
>> the reader comments are a bit more encouraging.
>
> I can see the councillors' point.
>
> If cycling is a normal everyday activity, why can't a community
> support officer use an ordinary bike to get around? Does it have to
> be a specially equipped? Do they need special training?
>
> OK - city police, chasing handbag grabbers, shoplifters or drug
> dealers down and up(?) stairs, along allyways and through shopping
> centres may need to be properly equipped and trained. But a village
> bobby going to investigate Mrs Miggins' missing knickers from her
> washing line, with two giggling boys hiding in the ditch opposite!?
>
> Surely a simple Pashley would be more than adequate.

How much are Pashleys nowadays?

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:43:47 +0100, Marc
<initial.surname@btintenret.com> wrote:

>Tom Crispin wrote:
>
>>>>
>>> I am staggered that the councillors are moaning about GBP700 for an
>>> equipped police bike on that grounds that halfords sell cheaper bikes
>>> and questioning whether training for police cyclists might be
>>> necessary. Aren't councillors supposed to have professional staff to
>>> advise them on topics that they haven't got a clue about. On balance,
>>> the reader comments are a bit more encouraging.
>>
>> I can see the councillors' point.
>>
>> If cycling is a normal everyday activity, why can't a community
>> support officer use an ordinary bike to get around? Does it have to
>> be a specially equipped? Do they need special training?
>>
>> OK - city police, chasing handbag grabbers, shoplifters or drug
>> dealers down and up(?) stairs, along allyways and through shopping
>> centres may need to be properly equipped and trained. But a village
>> bobby going to investigate Mrs Miggins' missing knickers from her
>> washing line, with two giggling boys hiding in the ditch opposite!?
>>
>> Surely a simple Pashley would be more than adequate.
>
>How much are Pashleys nowadays?

£700

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:50:03 +0000, Martin Dann wrote:

> Tim Hall wrote:
>> Seen on youtube:
>>
>> <http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XW8DxfVcIno>
>
> Lol, If the police caught a mere mortal doing that, that person would
> get a FPN. I have never held onto another vehicle whilst cycling.

Also appears to be riding at night (or at dusk) with no lights (and none
of that fluorescent+reflective clothing that makes you invincible)

peter

On Apr 25, 8:44 am, leand...@googlemail.com wrote:
> On Apr 24, 11:14 pm, Tim Hall <timh...@nospamtoday.clara.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Police cyclists demonstrating the superior training they get.
>
> Taking a slightly different angle, the subject of training for police
> cyclists has come up a few times. The reader comments under this
> article
>
> http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=258119&...
>
> are quite interesting. There's a reference to Cyclecraft, although
> it's not clear if they mean Franklin's book are the subject in
> general.
>
> The only time I've seen a PCSO on a bike in Gloucestershire, he was in
> the gutter in what looked like ordinary uniform, so if he'd been on
> the training, it hadn't worked.
>
> Rob

It' good to see that getting elected to council in the UK reduces IQ
by roughly the same amount as it does in Canada.

I took a Can-Bike course with a couple of police officers who were
decently equipped. Using the standard GBP1=CDN$1 [1]the costs for the
Canadian officers look quite comparable (Good TREK bikes, decent
panniers and normal cycling gear)

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

1. Purchasing power not exchange rate.

On Apr 25, 3:25 pm, Tom Crispin
<kije.rem...@this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:33:18 -0700 (PDT), james.de...@googlemail.com
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Apr 25, 1:44 pm, leand...@googlemail.com wrote:
> >> On Apr 24, 11:14 pm, Tim Hall <timh...@nospamtoday.clara.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> > Police cyclists demonstrating the superior training they get.
>
> >> Taking a slightly different angle, the subject of training for police
> >> cyclists has come up a few times. The reader comments under this
> >> article
>
> >>http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=258119&....
>
> >I am staggered that the councillors are moaning about GBP700 for an
> >equipped police bike on that grounds that halfords sell cheaper bikes
> >and questioning whether training for police cyclists might be
> >necessary.  Aren't councillors supposed to have professional staff to
> >advise them on topics that they haven't got a clue about.  On balance,
> >the reader comments are a bit more encouraging.
>
> I can see the councillors' point.
>
> If cycling is a normal everyday activity, why can't a community
> support officer use an ordinary bike to get around?  Does it have to
> be a specially equipped?  Do they need special training?
>
> OK - city police, chasing handbag grabbers, shoplifters or drug
> dealers down and up(?) stairs, along allyways and through shopping
> centres may need to be properly equipped and trained.  But a village
> bobby going to investigate Mrs Miggins' missing knickers from her
> washing line, with two giggling boys hiding in the ditch opposite!?
>
> Surely a simple Pashley would be more than adequate.www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/copperwww.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/bobby-

The police have a responsibility to properly train their officers so
training costs are reasonable Just because the officers are community
support does not mean that they will not be involved in the type of
crime you mention. Sending officers out on a Halford's BSO is
probably not the best idea.

Hull (Quebec) City police have reported that a cycling police officer
is often able to approach a criminal/crime scene more closely than
pedestrians or cars so the possibility of stumbling over a crime seems
to exist where they may have to respond.

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

In article <bcc02584-e85a-48b5-afab-f8132edccaf1
@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
leandr42@googlemail.com says...

> The only time I've seen a PCSO on a bike in Gloucestershire, he was in
> the gutter in what looked like ordinary uniform, so if he'd been on
> the training, it hadn't worked.
>
I saw one in the gutter yesterday. They're more usually on the
pavement, and I'm not sure which is worse.

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:25:36 +0100, Tom Crispin
<kije.remove@this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote:

>On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:33:18 -0700 (PDT), james.delap@googlemail.com
>wrote:
>
>>On Apr 25, 1:44 pm, leand...@googlemail.com wrote:
>>> On Apr 24, 11:14 pm, Tim Hall <timh...@nospamtoday.clara.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Police cyclists demonstrating the superior training they get.
>>>
>>> Taking a slightly different angle, the subject of training for police
>>> cyclists has come up a few times. The reader comments under this
>>> article
>>>
>>> http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=258119&...
>>>
>>
>>I am staggered that the councillors are moaning about GBP700 for an
>>equipped police bike on that grounds that halfords sell cheaper bikes
>>and questioning whether training for police cyclists might be
>>necessary. Aren't councillors supposed to have professional staff to
>>advise them on topics that they haven't got a clue about. On balance,
>>the reader comments are a bit more encouraging.
>
>I can see the councillors' point.
>
>If cycling is a normal everyday activity, why can't a community
>support officer use an ordinary bike to get around? Does it have to
>be a specially equipped? Do they need special training?

Why should the Police have to ride BSOs? They'll never work properly
and get chucked in a skip after a few months with all the rest. I
would hazard a guess that they would have to undergo special training
in today's H&S obsessed world.

>OK - city police, chasing handbag grabbers, shoplifters or drug
>dealers down and up(?) stairs, along allyways and through shopping
>centres may need to be properly equipped and trained. But a village
>bobby going to investigate Mrs Miggins' missing knickers from her
>washing line, with two giggling boys hiding in the ditch opposite!?

So they don't have handbag grabbers, shoplifters or drug dealers (or
even stairs) in Glos? This is the 21st Century, not an episode of
Camberwick Green.

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(")_(") I am blocking most articles posted from there.

In article <vh1b145d1bo50av5nnk31786om537tq4lf@4ax.com>, Mark
i@getlotsofspamthankstoplus.net says...

> Why should the Police have to ride BSOs? They'll never work properly
> and get chucked in a skip after a few months with all the rest. I
> would hazard a guess that they would have to undergo special training
> in today's H&S obsessed world.
>
Apparently not, judging by the abysmal standard of riding that is
regularly observed - if they do receive training it is either not
working or not appropriate. An interesting possibility for extended
training might be defence and restraint techniques using the bicycle as
a tool/weapon. :-)

Rob Horton wrote:
>
> Surely the only people to complain about wheelies are those who would
> like to do it but can't.

I don't know; when a young idiiot pulls a wheelie,
not in any kind of control, in a pedestrain zone,
heading straight for me, I feel entitled to complain.

BugBear (yes, it happened)