Horn Blowing = Lion's Roar?

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On Apr 28, 3:52 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> (This comment interprets horn blowing. My own interpretation is found
> below.)
>
> Horn Blowing: Interpreting the Message.
>
> If someone honks a horn at you, the meaning is all in the duration. A
> really brief "Bip!" means "Hi!" or "Bye!" A moderately short beep
> means, "I just want you to realize I'm here." Somewhere between a
> second and maybe two seconds means, "I'm here and I am annoyed at your
> heedlessness." Over two seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at you,
> JERK!" Longer than three seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at this
> whole situation! And I am frustrated that I can't do anything more
> effective than sit here and blow my horn. Boy am I
> frustrated!" (Usually employed in traffic jams to make people around
> you even more frustrated too.)
>
> Repeated honks are either repetitions of the above (sorted by blast
> duration) or monotone musical "Hellos" if done in cadence with known
> tunes like "Shave and a haircut: two bits!" (Meant to be friendly.)
>
> http://www.dahon.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5105&st=0&gopid=37361&...
>
> Like I said somewhere else: most of the time the vehicle's blowing the
> horn is equivalent to the lion's roar...
>
> "Hey, this is my territory and you better get lost --or else I eat
> you!"
>
> And guess what the monkey riding the bike said... "Yes, you can eat my
> banana!"
>
> WELCOME TO THE JUNGLEhttp://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

I've heard of people talking to themselves but not posting to
themselves. You need to adjust your meds or something. You've made
2/3 (11 of 17) of all posts in this thread with multiple cases in
which you respond to your own posts. Pretty unbelieveable.

ComandanteBanana wrote:
> As soon as the lion finds out that it's only a wimpy gazzelle...

Are you related to Eric Cantona by any chance?

--
Don Whybrow

Sequi Bonum Non Time

"My God! The thought of that evil man, loose in London--with
money, from God only knows what source--fomenting riot and
rebellion during a public emergency--and in control of an Engine-
driven press! It's nightmarish!" (Gibson-Sterling, "The
Difference Engine")

On Apr 30, 11:27 am, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
> On Apr 28, 3:52 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > (This comment interprets horn blowing. My own interpretation is found
> > below.)
>
> > Horn Blowing: Interpreting the Message.
>
> > If someone honks a horn at you, the meaning is all in the duration. A
> > really brief "Bip!" means "Hi!" or "Bye!" A moderately short beep
> > means, "I just want you to realize I'm here." Somewhere between a
> > second and maybe two seconds means, "I'm here and I am annoyed at your
> > heedlessness." Over two seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at you,
> > JERK!" Longer than three seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at this
> > whole situation! And I am frustrated that I can't do anything more
> > effective than sit here and blow my horn. Boy am I
> > frustrated!" (Usually employed in traffic jams to make people around
> > you even more frustrated too.)
>
> > Repeated honks are either repetitions of the above (sorted by blast
> > duration) or monotone musical "Hellos" if done in cadence with known
> > tunes like "Shave and a haircut: two bits!" (Meant to be friendly.)
>
> >http://www.dahon.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5105&st=0&gopid=37361&...
>
> > Like I said somewhere else: most of the time the vehicle's blowing the
> > horn is equivalent to the lion's roar...
>
> > "Hey, this is my territory and you better get lost --or else I eat
> > you!"
>
> > And guess what the monkey riding the bike said... "Yes, you can eat my
> > banana!"
>
> > WELCOME TO THE JUNGLEhttp://webspawner.com/users/donquijote
>
> I've heard of people talking to themselves but not posting to
> themselves.  You need to adjust your meds or something.  You've made
> 2/3 (11 of 17) of all posts in this thread with multiple cases in
> which you respond to your own posts.  Pretty unbelieveable.- Hide quotedtext -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well, I'm chatting with my copycat, ComandanteApeshit, about bull and
horns.

And what are doing here if you don't ride a bike and you hate cyclists?

On Apr 30, 12:07 pm, Don Whybrow <d...@fwhybrow.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
> ComandanteBanana wrote:
> > As soon as the lion finds out that it's only a wimpy gazzelle...
>
> Are you related to Eric Cantona by any chance?

Introduce me, please.

On Apr 30, 6:55 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Apr 30, 11:27 am, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 28, 3:52 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > (This comment interprets horn blowing. My own interpretation is found
> > > below.)
>
> > > Horn Blowing: Interpreting the Message.
>
> > > If someone honks a horn at you, the meaning is all in the duration. A
> > > really brief "Bip!" means "Hi!" or "Bye!" A moderately short beep
> > > means, "I just want you to realize I'm here." Somewhere between a
> > > second and maybe two seconds means, "I'm here and I am annoyed at your
> > > heedlessness." Over two seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at you,
> > > JERK!" Longer than three seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at this
> > > whole situation! And I am frustrated that I can't do anything more
> > > effective than sit here and blow my horn. Boy am I
> > > frustrated!" (Usually employed in traffic jams to make people around
> > > you even more frustrated too.)
>
> > > Repeated honks are either repetitions of the above (sorted by blast
> > > duration) or monotone musical "Hellos" if done in cadence with known
> > > tunes like "Shave and a haircut: two bits!" (Meant to be friendly.)
>
> > >http://www.dahon.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5105&st=0&gopid=37361&...
>
> > > Like I said somewhere else: most of the time the vehicle's blowing the
> > > horn is equivalent to the lion's roar...
>
> > > "Hey, this is my territory and you better get lost --or else I eat
> > > you!"
>
> > > And guess what the monkey riding the bike said... "Yes, you can eat my
> > > banana!"
>
> > > WELCOME TO THE JUNGLEhttp://webspawner.com/users/donquijote
>
> > I've heard of people talking to themselves but not posting to
> > themselves.  You need to adjust your meds or something.  You've made
> > 2/3 (11 of 17) of all posts in this thread with multiple cases in
> > which you respond to your own posts.  Pretty unbelieveable.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Well, I'm chatting with my copycat, ComandanteApeshit, about bull and
> horns.
>
> And what are doing here if you don't ride a bike and you hate cyclists?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I guess the better question is: what are YOU doing here because you
don't have anything to do with urban planning.

On Apr 30, 9:06 pm, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 6:55 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 30, 11:27 am, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 28, 3:52 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > (This comment interprets horn blowing. My own interpretation is found
> > > > below.)
>
> > > > Horn Blowing: Interpreting the Message.
>
> > > > If someone honks a horn at you, the meaning is all in the duration. A
> > > > really brief "Bip!" means "Hi!" or "Bye!" A moderately short beep
> > > > means, "I just want you to realize I'm here." Somewhere between a
> > > > second and maybe two seconds means, "I'm here and I am annoyed at your
> > > > heedlessness." Over two seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at you,
> > > > JERK!" Longer than three seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at this
> > > > whole situation! And I am frustrated that I can't do anything more
> > > > effective than sit here and blow my horn. Boy am I
> > > > frustrated!" (Usually employed in traffic jams to make people around
> > > > you even more frustrated too.)
>
> > > > Repeated honks are either repetitions of the above (sorted by blast
> > > > duration) or monotone musical "Hellos" if done in cadence with known
> > > > tunes like "Shave and a haircut: two bits!" (Meant to be friendly.)
>
> > > >http://www.dahon.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5105&st=0&gopid=37361&...
>
> > > > Like I said somewhere else: most of the time the vehicle's blowing the
> > > > horn is equivalent to the lion's roar...
>
> > > > "Hey, this is my territory and you better get lost --or else I eat
> > > > you!"
>
> > > > And guess what the monkey riding the bike said... "Yes, you can eat my
> > > > banana!"
>
> > > > WELCOME TO THE JUNGLEhttp://webspawner.com/users/donquijote
>
> > > I've heard of people talking to themselves but not posting to
> > > themselves.  You need to adjust your meds or something.  You've made
> > > 2/3 (11 of 17) of all posts in this thread with multiple cases in
> > > which you respond to your own posts.  Pretty unbelieveable.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Well, I'm chatting with my copycat, ComandanteApeshit, about bull and
> > horns.
>
> > And what are doing here if you don't ride a bike and you hate cyclists?-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I guess the better question is: what are YOU doing here because you
> don't have anything to do with urban planning.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

That's one of the problems with living in the boondocks: Your brain
usually slows down until you get a sort of mental retardation. I call
it the "boondocks syndrome," and it manifests by either being
indifferent to the outside world, or making stupid comments about
something that you don't care about. For example, WHAT DO YOU CARE
ABOUT URBAN PLANNING IF YOU LIVE IN THE BOONDOCKS?

FYI, I propose BIKE FACILITIES, and those are part of urban planning.

On Apr 29, 12:18 pm, Don Whybrow <d...@fwhybrow.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>
> > Bicycle bells vs. car's horn amount to this: The lion roars and the
> > bicycle answers back...meaow.
>
> > It's a kind of behavior signalling submission. "Ding, ding, ding"...
>
> Might I suggest that one invests in an AirZound[1]
>
> [1] I have no connection other than as a customer

I know you don't have a connection with AirZound, but I'm promoting in
any way. Could my claim be true?

(Someone asks if there's such a product, and I put it in. My claim is
"It's supposed to paralize an SUV driver for 10 seconds, so you have
time to escape.")

On Apr 30, 7:11 am, Gunner <gun...@NOSPAM.lightspeed.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:30:31 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana

> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 28, 6:20 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

> >It's a kind of behavior signalling submission. "Ding, ding, ding"...


> Then why dont we see modified freon powered boat horns on bikes?


> Well... CO2/propane powered horns since the Greentards banned freon...


> Small, light, portable


> Gunner



Oh, they have already. They put it in the other thread.

http://www.deltacycle.com/product.php?g=1


It's supposed to paralize an SUV driver for 10 seconds, so you have
time to escape. ;)

ComandanteBanana wrote:

> (Someone asks if there's such a product, and I put it in. My claim is
> "It's supposed to paralize an SUV driver for 10 seconds, so you have
> time to escape.")

But since it doesn't paralyse the SUV the driver is notionally in
control of, and being paralysed will remove that notional control, it is
not necessarily such a good thing...

Pete.
--
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Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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On May 1, 8:50 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 9:06 pm, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 30, 6:55 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 30, 11:27 am, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 28, 3:52 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > (This comment interprets horn blowing. My own interpretation is found
> > > > > below.)
>
> > > > > Horn Blowing: Interpreting the Message.
>
> > > > > If someone honks a horn at you, the meaning is all in the duration.. A
> > > > > really brief "Bip!" means "Hi!" or "Bye!" A moderately short beep
> > > > > means, "I just want you to realize I'm here." Somewhere between a
> > > > > second and maybe two seconds means, "I'm here and I am annoyed at your
> > > > > heedlessness." Over two seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at you,
> > > > > JERK!" Longer than three seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at this
> > > > > whole situation! And I am frustrated that I can't do anything more
> > > > > effective than sit here and blow my horn. Boy am I
> > > > > frustrated!" (Usually employed in traffic jams to make people around
> > > > > you even more frustrated too.)
>
> > > > > Repeated honks are either repetitions of the above (sorted by blast
> > > > > duration) or monotone musical "Hellos" if done in cadence with known
> > > > > tunes like "Shave and a haircut: two bits!" (Meant to be friendly.)
>
> > > > >http://www.dahon.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5105&st=0&gopid=37361&...
>
> > > > > Like I said somewhere else: most of the time the vehicle's blowingthe
> > > > > horn is equivalent to the lion's roar...
>
> > > > > "Hey, this is my territory and you better get lost --or else I eat
> > > > > you!"
>
> > > > > And guess what the monkey riding the bike said... "Yes, you can eat my
> > > > > banana!"
>
> > > > > WELCOME TO THE JUNGLEhttp://webspawner.com/users/donquijote
>
> > > > I've heard of people talking to themselves but not posting to
> > > > themselves.  You need to adjust your meds or something.  You've made
> > > > 2/3 (11 of 17) of all posts in this thread with multiple cases in
> > > > which you respond to your own posts.  Pretty unbelieveable.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Well, I'm chatting with my copycat, ComandanteApeshit, about bull and
> > > horns.
>
> > > And what are doing here if you don't ride a bike and you hate cyclists?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I guess the better question is: what are YOU doing here because you
> > don't have anything to do with urban planning.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> That's one of the problems with living in the boondocks: Your brain
> usually slows down until you get a sort of mental retardation. I call
> it the "boondocks syndrome," and it manifests by either being
> indifferent to the outside world, or making stupid comments about
> something that you don't care about. For example, WHAT DO YOU CARE
> ABOUT URBAN PLANNING IF YOU LIVE IN THE BOONDOCKS?
>
> FYI, I propose BIKE FACILITIES, and those are part of urban planning.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Like usual, you are completely wrong. I live in the boondocks because
it's a great place to live. But I work in urban planning and
community development. Unlike you, who just babbles some
incomprehensible thing about moneys riding bikes and "the revolution"
that will never come, I actually work towards the betterment of
communities.

As for bike plans, in the area of the world where I live; no one
cares. They are too expensive and wasteful. Money can be used for
much more benefitial activities. In some areas where people bike
more, they may be a great idea and therefore they should be
encouraged.

Finally, in your trifecta of wrongness, I am not against bikes and
have never said so. I always say "whatever floats your boat". If you
like biking, then bike. I don't give a d**n what you do.

On May 1, 9:06 am, Peter Clinch <p.j.cli...@dundee.ac.uk> wrote:
> ComandanteBanana wrote:
> > (Someone asks if there's such a product, and I put it in. My claim is
> > "It's supposed to paralize an SUV driver for 10 seconds, so you have
> > time to escape.")
>
> But since it doesn't paralyse the SUV the driver is notionally in
> control of, and being paralysed will remove that notional control, it is
> not necessarily such a good thing...

I don't think most SUV drivers are much in control to begin with, so
we can always give them a good scare...and then run.

Hey, look at another interesting interpretation for horn blowing...

Originally Posted by chipcom
"When I hear a honk, I just figure they're horny and checking out my
butt."

I'm a guy... What should I assume when another guy blows the horn at
me???

On May 1, 9:31 am, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
> On May 1, 8:50 am, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 30, 9:06 pm, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 30, 6:55 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Apr 30, 11:27 am, Pat <gro...@artisticphotography.us> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 28, 3:52 pm, ComandanteBanana <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > (This comment interprets horn blowing. My own interpretation is found
> > > > > > below.)
>
> > > > > > Horn Blowing: Interpreting the Message.
>
> > > > > > If someone honks a horn at you, the meaning is all in the duration. A
> > > > > > really brief "Bip!" means "Hi!" or "Bye!" A moderately short beep
> > > > > > means, "I just want you to realize I'm here." Somewhere between a
> > > > > > second and maybe two seconds means, "I'm here and I am annoyed at your
> > > > > > heedlessness." Over two seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at you,
> > > > > > JERK!" Longer than three seconds it means, "I'm pissed off at this
> > > > > > whole situation! And I am frustrated that I can't do anything more
> > > > > > effective than sit here and blow my horn. Boy am I
> > > > > > frustrated!" (Usually employed in traffic jams to make people around
> > > > > > you even more frustrated too.)
>
> > > > > > Repeated honks are either repetitions of the above (sorted by blast
> > > > > > duration) or monotone musical "Hellos" if done in cadence with known
> > > > > > tunes like "Shave and a haircut: two bits!" (Meant to be friendly.)
>
> > > > > >http://www.dahon.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=5105&st=0&gopid=37361&...
>
> > > > > > Like I said somewhere else: most of the time the vehicle's blowing the
> > > > > > horn is equivalent to the lion's roar...
>
> > > > > > "Hey, this is my territory and you better get lost --or else I eat
> > > > > > you!"
>
> > > > > > And guess what the monkey riding the bike said... "Yes, you can eat my
> > > > > > banana!"
>
> > > > > > WELCOME TO THE JUNGLEhttp://webspawner.com/users/donquijote
>
> > > > > I've heard of people talking to themselves but not posting to
> > > > > themselves.  You need to adjust your meds or something.  You've made
> > > > > 2/3 (11 of 17) of all posts in this thread with multiple cases in
> > > > > which you respond to your own posts.  Pretty unbelieveable.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Well, I'm chatting with my copycat, ComandanteApeshit, about bull and
> > > > horns.
>
> > > > And what are doing here if you don't ride a bike and you hate cyclists?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > I guess the better question is: what are YOU doing here because you
> > > don't have anything to do with urban planning.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > That's one of the problems with living in the boondocks: Your brain
> > usually slows down until you get a sort of mental retardation. I call
> > it the "boondocks syndrome," and it manifests by either being
> > indifferent to the outside world, or making stupid comments about
> > something that you don't care about. For example, WHAT DO YOU CARE
> > ABOUT URBAN PLANNING IF YOU LIVE IN THE BOONDOCKS?
>
> > FYI, I propose BIKE FACILITIES, and those are part of urban planning.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Like usual, you are completely wrong.  I live in the boondocks because
> it's a great place to live.  But I work in urban planning and
> community development.  

No wonder urban planning is so wrong. Designed by people who live in
the boondocks and hate bikes.

Why don't you change your career to raising goats or cows?

On May 1, 11:57 am, CommandanteApeshit <noloonnoprob...@hushmail.com>
wrote:
> > I guess the better question is: what are YOU doing here because
> > you don't have anything to do with urban planning.
>
> You assume that CommandanteBananasForBrains has the remotest awareness
> of the newsgroups he's crossposting everything to.
>
> Why should Britons care about your boondocks, anyway?

Because that's the one that sets the policies for America. Not
civilized people from NYC, Boston or even LA, where alternative
transportation is important.

And when people live in the boondocks and cars are necessary... THE
WAR BECOMES NECESSARY TOO.

Originally Posted by chipcom
"Well I guess you just ain't got the cute butt that I got or don't
wrap it up in all that nice tight spandex.
Some guys honk because they might be gay, other guys honk as a warning
to stay away from their wives, daughters, girlfriends and mothers,
some honk because of they think I'm a gal and obviously FREAKIN BLIND
AS BATS!"

Well, modesty apart, I've got a nice butt, but it doesn't show because
I don't use spandex.

So it must good-ol'-fashioned bullying. Bulls that use their horns as
means of intimidation...

PS: Is that why in this lycra group people don't get honked at? "Nice
ass, fellow traveller!"

ComandanteBanana wrote:
> On Apr 30, 12:07 pm, Don Whybrow <d...@fwhybrow.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>>> As soon as the lion finds out that it's only a wimpy gazzelle...
>> Are you related to Eric Cantona by any chance?
>
> Introduce me, please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTq6aApCBnA

--
Don Whybrow

Sequi Bonum Non Time

The media finally figured out that their "paying customers"
(i.e. advertisers) don't WANT an intelligent, thoughtful
audience. And they no longer have one." (Rich Tietjens)

ComandanteBanana wrote:
> [..]
> And horns and roars of any kind are not welcome.

Nor is excessive and inappropriate cross-posting.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

On May 4, 12:42 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> ComandanteBanana wrote:
> > [..]
> > And horns and roars of any kind are not welcome.
>
> Nor is excessive and inappropriate cross-posting.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Sorry but the posts are "on subject"...

QUOTE(Keith C. Johns @ May 5 2008, 12:10 AM)
"But this thread is about ALL uses of the horn, not just by aggressive
drivers, and horn blows ARE used by good drivers as part of good
driving technique when used to alert others of their presence, and
other polite uses already mentioned. And it is useful to be able to
interpret the meaning behind these horn sounds and not get angry when
the message was not intended to be unfriendly. If you just assume that
any horn blow is mean spirited, you will probably be misinterpreting
many of these and possibly create conflicts with an aggressive
response. Better to realize that all horn blows are not bad, even
including some by drivers of FSUVs."


Well, I see some rare instances where blowing the horn may become
necessary, but I don't see the need to use to give so many different
messages that riders would have to decipher. When you are concentrated
in your thing, or tired from riding, you don't need to be guessing
people's intentions. And chances are you'll feel intimidated when you
have several tons of steel next to you...

Wouldn't it better to educate the drivers NOT to blow the horn at
cyclists?

On May 4, 12:42 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
wrote:
> ComandanteBanana wrote:
> > [..]
> > And horns and roars of any kind are not welcome.
>
> Nor is excessive and inappropriate cross-posting.
>

Nor constant whining. "Banana" needs to find another occupation.

- Frank Krygowski

Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On May 4, 12:42 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> ComandanteBanana wrote:
>>> [..]
>>> And horns and roars of any kind are not welcome.
>> Nor is excessive and inappropriate cross-posting.
>>
>
> Nor constant whining. "Banana" needs to find another occupation.

he could try, oooooh... /cycling/? No, better not, it's apparently far
too dangerous with all the minefields, machine gun nests etc.

Pete.
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