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Tom Kunich wrote:
On TV, Al Gore and Ted Turner have stated that the whole world is going
>> to die unless we are willing to murder more than half of them. And they
>> advocate methods of that murder.

Howard Kveck wrote:
> You have the most vivid imagination, Tommy.

Just exercising the drama queen module.

In another thread Tom Kunich wrote:
> Psst - MOST "climate scientists" deny "global warming".

Robert Chung wrote:
> Hmmm. Well, in matters like these I try to start with little steps.
> Pointing out how foolish you are is almost always a reasonable beginning.

I think you may have bitten off more than you can chew. Although the
voyeur in Schwartz might enjoy your attempts.

On May 7, 5:04 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
> On May 7, 4:41 pm, Fred Fredburger
>
> <FredFredbur...@Where.Are.The.Nachos> wrote:
> > Retards without political power are annoying too.
>
> But they don't legally steal.
>
> The non-prevalent view powerpoint slide for Mr. Mambo:
> 1. For all I know, AGW could be real (or not).
> 2. For all I know, projected dire consequences could be true (or not).
> 3. The people who screech about global warming are scarier (definitely
> true) than global warming (if true) and its consequences (if true).

One man's impending catastrophe is another
man's hysteria. Perhaps I feel about global warming
the way you feel about creeping statism; perhaps
what both of us write on the subjects looks like
screeching to an outsider.

But I'm not writing to screech about what should be done
(statistly or otherwise) about global warming. I have
opinions, of course, but how best to do something, if it
should or can be done, is really a question of implementation
that economists can try to figure out. My opinions on that
aren't terribly informed, so it's up to you, Krugman, and
Salma Hayek to figure it out. The only part of my opinions
that are moderately informed are on the evidence,
which is actually fairly solid.

I just don't like seeing the "well, we have to look at both
sides of the argument" when one side is Senator Inhofe
obfuscation and wishful thinking. There are people
(powerful people, not Kunich people) who
are perfectly happy to deny the facts when they don't
behave as desired, and those people are willing to
screw the reality-based community on many subjects,
not just climate change. So I don't feel comfortable
washing my hands of the argument just because I'm
not a climate scientist.

Ben

On May 7, 9:31 pm, Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 7, 6:13 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> > Just try listening to these nutjobs talking.
>
> http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/issues/2008/March/SecurityBeat...

From following several authors, and talking with several, and serious,
responsible fans, such as the folks at alt.fan.heinlein this was to be
expected. There are feuds still going on over fity plus year old 2
column reviews, or comments at conventions and such, and are still
vicious when they pop up. The Hatfield-McCoy thing had nothing on
these folks and their wounded egos. Niven's comments aren't nice, but
probably would be effective, people, and not just hispanics, or any
other group, all of them, will believe just about anything.:
http://www.local6.com/news/16169506/detail.html

Fla. Teacher Accused Of Wizardry
Man Made Toothpick Vanish In Class

POSTED: 10:15 pm EDT May 5, 2008
UPDATED: 12:39 pm EDT May 7, 2008


LAND 'O LAKES, Fla. -- A substitute teacher in Pasco County has lost
his job after being accused of wizardry.

Bill C

Bill C wrote:
> Fla. Teacher Accused Of Wizardry
> Man Made Toothpick Vanish In Class
>
> POSTED: 10:15 pm EDT May 5, 2008
> UPDATED: 12:39 pm EDT May 7, 2008
>
>
> LAND 'O LAKES, Fla. -- A substitute teacher in Pasco County has lost his
> job after being accused of wizardry.

Can he make Kunich disappear ?

Donald Munro wrote:
> Bill C wrote:
>> Fla. Teacher Accused Of Wizardry
>> Man Made Toothpick Vanish In Class
>>
>> POSTED: 10:15 pm EDT May 5, 2008
>> UPDATED: 12:39 pm EDT May 7, 2008
>>
>>
>> LAND 'O LAKES, Fla. -- A substitute teacher in Pasco County has lost his
>> job after being accused of wizardry.
>
> Can he make Kunich disappear ?

Anyone with root can do that.

Bob Schwartz

bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
>
> One man's impending catastrophe is another
> man's hysteria. Perhaps I feel about global warming
> the way you feel about creeping statism; perhaps
> what both of us write on the subjects looks like
> screeching to an outsider.
>
> But I'm not writing to screech about what should be done
> (statistly or otherwise) about global warming. I have
> opinions, of course, but how best to do something, if it
> should or can be done, is really a question of implementation
> that economists can try to figure out. My opinions on that
> aren't terribly informed, so it's up to you, Krugman, and
> Salma Hayek to figure it out. The only part of my opinions
> that are moderately informed are on the evidence,
> which is actually fairly solid.
>
> I just don't like seeing the "well, we have to look at both
> sides of the argument" when one side is Senator Inhofe
> obfuscation and wishful thinking. There are people
> (powerful people, not Kunich people) who
> are perfectly happy to deny the facts when they don't
> behave as desired, and those people are willing to
> screw the reality-based community on many subjects,
> not just climate change. So I don't feel comfortable
> washing my hands of the argument just because I'm
> not a climate scientist.
>
> Ben
>


"reality-based community"---I love it! When do we move?

Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

Mark & Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> "reality-based community"---I love it! When do we move?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community

Ted van de Weteringe wrote:
> Mark & Steven Bornfeld wrote:
>> "reality-based community"---I love it! When do we move?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community


Thanks--I'm clearly not watching enough cable news.

Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

Mark & Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> Thanks--I'm clearly not watching enough cable news.

Chung used it in his sig here in rbr from Oct 18, 2004 (1 day after the
NYTM article, according to its pubdate; however, there were several
usenet posts about the article on Oct 16.)

"Fred Fredburger" <FredFredburger@WhereAreTheNachos.Huh> wrote in message
news:uqqdnecgto2s97_VnZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
>> If you haven't seen it yet, rent "The Fog of War." I recommend it to
>> everyone. Great piece of work, regardless of what you thought/think of
>> Robert McNamara.
>
> That's a great movie. Not as one sided as a lot of documentaries.

It's an amazing movie on multiple levels. I think one of the things that
keeps your interest up is that you keep looking for some indication of
whether he feels badly for what he did, some feeling of remorse, or whether
his entire life is an intellectual exercise in which remorse isn't relevant,
just good & bad decisions and the ability to learn from them.

Beyond a doubt, a brilliant man. To anyone who doesn't quite get the concept
of "The best & the brightest", you'll have a better idea after watching this
movie.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

On May 8, 8:00 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Donald Munro wrote:
> > Bill C wrote:
> >> Fla. Teacher Accused Of Wizardry
> >> Man Made Toothpick Vanish In Class
>
> >> POSTED: 10:15 pm EDT May 5, 2008
> >> UPDATED: 12:39 pm EDT May 7, 2008
>
> >> LAND 'O LAKES, Fla. -- A substitute teacher in Pasco County has lost his
> >> job after being accused of wizardry.
>
> > Can he make Kunich disappear ?
>
> Anyone with root can do that.
>
> Bob Schwartz

# foreach bot (`ps agx | grep kunich | awk '{print $1}'`)
# foreach? kill -9 $bot
# foreach? end

The musical version is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4

On May 8, 2:57 am, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
wrote:

> So I don't feel comfortable
> washing my hands of the argument just because I'm
> not a climate scientist.


Well I wouldn't either. One might wonder why so many are so deaf.

This is a parable about the reality based community:

http://www.primaryresources.co.uk/english/docs/boy_who_cried_wolf.doc

The only problem with them is they don't know when their joking, or
when they are the joke.

On May 8, 7:29 am, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
<bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com> wrote:


> "reality-based community"---I love it!  When do we move?

It certainly rings the bell on the irony meter so hard that I am now
deaf to what the "realists" have to say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_framing

On May 7, 6:29 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> In article <I7ednbWaQIq6YrzVnZ2dnUVZ_vyin...@earthlink.com>,
>  "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:

> > Let's not forget that those here who think of themselves as "Liberals" are
> > more than willing to support absolutely fascist techniques to get their way.
>
>    "Fascist" - I don't think that word means what you think it does.

It might as well be true, though.

On May 8, 4:45 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:

>http://www.local6.com/news/16169506/detail.html
>
> Fla. Teacher Accused Of Wizardry
> Man Made Toothpick Vanish In Class
>
> POSTED: 10:15 pm EDT May 5, 2008
> UPDATED: 12:39 pm EDT May 7, 2008
>
> LAND 'O LAKES, Fla. -- A substitute teacher in Pasco County has lost
> his job after being accused of wizardry.
>
> Bill C

Thanks for the laugh. That's priceless. Also:

Ted van de Weteringe
> "reality-based community"---I love it! When do we move?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community

The power of propaganda is amazing, but in the end reality always
wins. That interim period can be pretty rough though.
-Paul

On May 8, 1:59 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> On TV, Al Gore and Ted Turner have stated that the whole world is going
>
> >> to die unless we are willing to murder more than half of them. And they
> >> advocate methods of that murder.
> Howard Kveck wrote:
> > You have the most vivid imagination, Tommy.
>
> Just exercising the drama queen module.

That's an understatement. I think you should call it "Turbo Hysteria".

SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
> On May 8, 7:29 am, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
> <bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
>
>
>> "reality-based community"---I love it! When do we move?
>
> It certainly rings the bell on the irony meter so hard that I am now
> deaf to what the "realists" have to say.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_framing



I'm down wit dat. Like, if you lose your job it's a recession, when I
lose my job it's a depression.

Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
>> It certainly rings the bell on the irony meter so hard that I am now
>> deaf to what the "realists" have to say.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_framing
>
>
Mark & Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> I'm down wit dat. Like, if you lose your job it's a recession, when I
> lose my job it's a depression.

If he loses his job we all lose our afternoon training ride.

Donald Munro wrote:
>>
> Mark & Steven Bornfeld wrote:
>> I'm down wit dat. Like, if you lose your job it's a recession, when I
>> lose my job it's a depression.
>
> If he loses his job we all lose our afternoon training ride.
>


I don't even want to know how that works.

Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001