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On May 16, 12:46 am, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 15, 5:51 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
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> > On May 15, 5:03 pm, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > I don't think you can really say, one way or the other, until you're
> > > > dead.  For all you know, being dead might be a lot better than being
> > > > alive.
>
> > > You make it sound as though there is a 50-50 chance that death is
> > > better. It doesn't work that way.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > - Show quoted text -
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> > How does it work? I don't know anyone who has any credible evidence
> > one way or the other, and even if being dead is simply non-existance
> > how is that not better in many cases?
> >  Bill C
>
> My point was that just because something can't be proven wrong, that
> doesn't mean that there is a 50-50 chance it is true. That's a common
> fallacy. I may wake up tomorrow from this bad dream and find that I am
> the king of the universe. You can't prove that wrong. That doesn't
> mean it's very likely.
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> Bret- Hide quoted text -
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You can't give credible odds based on no evidence Though that seems to
be pretty typical too.
Bill C

Donald Munro wrote:
> Jack Hollis wrote:
>> I'm sure there are a lot of people who would be glad to settle for
>> oblivion.
>
> Ah yes, Sisyphus again. Better than an eternity arguing with a bot.
>

I am endlessly astounded by the number of people that
choose the 'bot. Endlessly.

Bob Schwartz

On May 15, 7:42 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:

> >> Can you imagine what sort of mind allows itself to win tens or hundreds
> >> of millions of dollars and then loses it all within a decade?
>
> > The kind of mind who'd think giving up golf would show solidarity with
> > grieving families?
>
> How about the kind who would purposely misrepresent what was happening
> purely to make a political point?

Oh, that's easy. Most of us call that kind of person "Kunich."

Bob Schwartz wrote:
> I am endlessly astounded by the number of people that choose the 'bot.
> Endlessly.

There are always actors (playas ?) in the theatre of the absurd.

On May 15, 7:42 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> "Robert Chung" <rech...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:77c2454a-526b-42f9-ad96-fc88ff3efcb7@i36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
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> > On May 15, 6:28 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> >> Can you imagine what sort of mind allows itself to win tens or hundreds
> >> of
> >> millions of dollars and then loses it all within a decade?
>
> > The kind of mind who'd think giving up golf would show solidarity with
> > grieving families?
>
> How about the kind who would purposely misrepresent what was happening
> purely to make a political point?
>
> Robert, you started out an intelligent scientist on this group and have
> become a small and silly child.

There, there Kuntitch. It's time for your nap. Folks, he's in his
second childhood. Dementia is taking it's toll so just humor him,
it's all down hill from here. Don't correct him, he just gets
disoriented and might hurt himself.

“I feel I owe it to the families to be in solidarity as best as I can
with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong
signal.” -George Wuss

I'm sure glad he didn't give up bicycling. I'm going to ride over to a
golf course and jeer the players. "Hey, you traitors! Playing golf
during a war "just sends the wrong signal"!"
-Paul

On May 15, 11:25 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
wrote:
> On May 15, 9:50 pm, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 15, 6:44 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >  Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Anyone would have convicted this guy. The story would make a great
> > > > Coen Brothers movie. I'd tell it here but I wouldn't want the guy to
> > > > google himself some day and then decide to come after me.
>
> > > Just use a pseudonym for him. I suggest "Tony Soprano."
>
> > Better than that. His name was ohney-Jay aze-Blay.
>
> This guy?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Rider_(Johnny_Blaze)http://www..marvel.com/universe/Ghost_Rider_(John_Blaze)

No, that's a different JB but there are some similarities.

On May 15, 10:25 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
wrote:

> This guy?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Rider_(Johnny_Blaze)http://www..marvel.com/universe/Ghost_Rider_(John_Blaze)
>
> I wouldn't have voted to convict him, myself.
> It's not because I'm a bleeding heart liberal.  It's
> because I'm a bleeding heart liberal _and_ a
> coward who's scared of people with flaming skulls
> for heads.

Don't you mean fascist? You might as well, you know.

On May 15, 5:48 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The numbers I'm aware of speak of a rapidly diminishing marginal value
> of money.


Send your marginally valued money to me.

In article <cikp249oqsiooh02jk0i3p59sf67souno6@4ax.com>,
Jack Hollis <xsleeper@aol.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 15 May 2008 14:28:50 -0700 (PDT), "bjw@mambo.ucolick.org"
> <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
>
> >On the other hand, Mae West said "I've been rich and
> >I've been poor, and rich is better."
>
> I grew up in a poor family and, by some definitions, I could now be
> classified as rich, or at worst upper middle class and I can say
> without doubt that it's better to have money.
>
> However, to fully appreciate money it's best to have been through a
> period when you didn't have any. My children, who have always had
> everything they want, have no idea how lucky they are and really don't
> appreciate what they have.

But they could. I grew up with a warm place to sleep,
and regular good meals. My folks spoke occasionally
of their childhood circumstances. I also considered
that there really were people everywhere whose
circumstances were very difficult. I would have liked
a lot more money, but that was secondary. A youngster
can have a ground zero appreciation for his good fortune.

--
Michael Press

On May 16, 5:12 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On May 16, 12:46 am, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 15, 5:51 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On May 15, 5:03 pm, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I don't think you can really say, one way or the other, until you're
> > > > > dead.  For all you know, being dead might be a lot better than being
> > > > > alive.
>
> > > > You make it sound as though there is a 50-50 chance that death is
> > > > better. It doesn't work that way.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > How does it work? I don't know anyone who has any credible evidence
> > > one way or the other, and even if being dead is simply non-existance
> > > how is that not better in many cases?
> > >  Bill C
>
> > My point was that just because something can't be proven wrong, that
> > doesn't mean that there is a 50-50 chance it is true. That's a common
> > fallacy. I may wake up tomorrow from this bad dream and find that I am
> > the king of the universe. You can't prove that wrong. That doesn't
> > mean it's very likely.
>
> > Bret- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> You can't give credible odds based on no evidence Though that seems to
> be pretty typical too.
>  Bill C

Do you have an example?

On May 16, 12:30 am, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> In article <05c4eb2d-04ef-46f0-87d0-f9f227d29...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>  Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 8, 11:50 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <bb78e344-0cc3-4681-9e64-134f7271e...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > >  Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On May 8, 9:41 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > > > > In article <482314ac$0$14355$e4fe5...@news.xs4all.nl>,
> > > > >  Ted van de Weteringe <myfulln...@xs4all.nl.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Mark & Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> > > > > > > "reality-based community"---I love it!  When do we move?
>
> > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community
>
> > > > >    I'm betting on the aide in question being Karl Rove.
>
> > > > I think it was Douglas Feith. I do hope we find out some day.
>
> > >    You know, Feith is also a good choice. But it sounds so Rovian to me -
> > > similar to his comment to NPR host Robert Siegel about the then-impending '06
> > > elections: "You may end up with a different math, but you're entitled to your
> > > math. I'm entitled to 'the' math."
>
> > The more I think about it the more it sounds like someone on a manic
> > high. I once had a housemate that was an undiagnosed manic depressive.
> > Their behavior became increasingly erratic until they were confronted
> > by the household. We were told that we just didn't understand what it
> > was like to be perfect. Things went downhill from there. Police,
> > hospital, lithium, bus ticket home to live with parents. Our landlord
> > was manic depressive himself and totally understood.
>
>    Wow, what an unpleasant living situation. I hope things got better for this
> person. Anyway, while I agree that a person on a manic high could say the sort of
> thing we're talking about, I don't really think that's the case here as itnicely
> fits into a pattern of high hubris level comments and actions by Bush admin. people,
> many of which have later been proven to be incredibly poorly thought out. Rove's
> comment above is a good example.

It wasn't as bad as I made it sound. They were a nice person off the
rails. Most of the issues were pretty harmless, finger painting the
walls in their room, urging the household to purchase a communal goat.
The issue that led to the confrontation was tearing down the kitchen
for cleaning and then leaving the job unfinished. The last day, it
accelerated suddenly. An imaginary crime was reported to the police,
then they spent some time in the city "smiling at people and trying to
make them happier", then they attempted suicide. After it was over, I
learned that they had joined the household uninvited and that the
person that I thought was their SO had been trying to figure out how
to get out the situation.

I see your point about hubris, but taken to an extreme it starts to
look like insanity.

Bret

On May 15, 11:30 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The more I think about it the more it sounds like someone on a manic
> > high. I once had a housemate that was an undiagnosed manic depressive.
> > Their behavior became increasingly erratic until they were confronted
> > by the household. We were told that we just didn't understand what it
> > was like to be perfect.
>
> Wow, what an unpleasant living situation. I hope things got better for this
> person.

Thanks, I'm doing fine. I've realized it's hard to bring
the rest of the world up to my standards, though I'm still
trying now and then.

Ben
Starting wth Kunich.

In article <9c81a35f-6996-4da0-8ae9-800f87e11739@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Bret <bret.wade@gmail.com> wrote:

> It wasn't as bad as I made it sound. They were a nice person off the
> rails. Most of the issues were pretty harmless, finger painting the
> walls in their room, urging the household to purchase a communal goat.

Purchasing a communal goat would be fine, as long as it was understood that the
goat would end up on a pit barbecue one day.

> The issue that led to the confrontation was tearing down the kitchen
> for cleaning and then leaving the job unfinished.

A friend of mine had a boyfriend who tore the kitchen up one weekend to rebuild it
and then didn't feel like finishing the job. It certainly makes life a lot more
expensive not having a kitchen. In the long run, that was a fairly mild bit of shit
on his part.

> The last day, it
> accelerated suddenly. An imaginary crime was reported to the police,
> then they spent some time in the city "smiling at people and trying to
> make them happier", then they attempted suicide. After it was over, I
> learned that they had joined the household uninvited and that the
> person that I thought was their SO had been trying to figure out how
> to get out the situation.

That takes the 'strange person who showed up to a party but we eventually found
out they didn't know anyone' thing to a new level.

> I see your point about hubris, but taken to an extreme it starts to
> look like insanity.

Indeed.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

In article
<5ecaa988-4955-436d-966f-7dd5778d7f5d@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
"bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:

> On May 15, 9:50 pm, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 15, 6:44 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >  Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Anyone would have convicted this guy. The story would make a great
> > > > Coen Brothers movie. I'd tell it here but I wouldn't want the guy to
> > > > google himself some day and then decide to come after me.
> >
> > > Just use a pseudonym for him. I suggest "Tony Soprano."
> >
> >
> > Better than that. His name was ohney-Jay aze-Blay.
>
> This guy?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Rider_(Johnny_Blaze)
> http://www.marvel.com/universe/Ghost_Rider_(John_Blaze)
>
> I wouldn't have voted to convict him, myself.
> It's not because I'm a bleeding heart liberal. It's
> because I'm a bleeding heart liberal _and_ a
> coward who's scared of people with flaming skulls
> for heads.
>
> Ben
>
> P.S. Did you know that the Wikipedia "Ghost Rider"
> entry is the same length as, for example, its
> "Philip Roth" entry? And the Roth entry is half lists.

The system works.

-RjC, BA (Engl, SFU '99)

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

In article
<c90aa9f3-5469-4e60-9b4a-d64d1eba8242@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
SLAVE of THE STATE <gwhite@ti.com> wrote:

> On May 15, 5:48 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The numbers I'm aware of speak of a rapidly diminishing marginal value
> > of money.
>
>
> Send your marginally valued money to me.

I'm pretty sure your marginal money could beat up my marginal money.

I'm not proud of that fact,

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

On May 16, 5:42 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:

>    That takes the 'strange person who showed up to a party but we eventually found
> out they didn't know anyone' thing to a new level.

It was a pretty informal living arrangement, six of us renting rooms
in a beat up old mansion in Burlington, VT for $100/mo. An interesting
bit of trivia is that when Bernie Sanders was elected Mayor of
Burlington, his victory party was at our house. One of my roommates
had been working hard for Bernie and offered our place for the party
since we had plenty of room. The roommate, also the SO mentioned
earlier, was a member of an anarchists club in Burlington and they had
all been working hard to get a socialist mayor elected. I had
forgotten about the party plans and came home from my job at IBM to
find camera crews from all three local TV stations waiting to get a
shot of Bernie walking through our front door. I went to my room and
missed the whole event and never did meet the man. The next morning,
the front page of the newspaper had a picture of Bernie walking though
our front door. Bernie is now one of two independent US Senators for
those of you wondering who I talking about.

Bret

In article <14edf597-67dd-4d9c-b008-b6ac14c4f07b@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Bret <bret.wade@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 16, 5:42 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> >    That takes the 'strange person who showed up to a party but we
> > eventually found
> > out they didn't know anyone' thing to a new level.
>
> It was a pretty informal living arrangement, six of us renting rooms
> in a beat up old mansion in Burlington, VT for $100/mo. An interesting
> bit of trivia is that when Bernie Sanders was elected Mayor of
> Burlington, his victory party was at our house. One of my roommates
> had been working hard for Bernie and offered our place for the party
> since we had plenty of room. The roommate, also the SO mentioned
> earlier, was a member of an anarchists club in Burlington and they had
> all been working hard to get a socialist mayor elected. I had
> forgotten about the party plans and came home from my job at IBM to
> find camera crews from all three local TV stations waiting to get a
> shot of Bernie walking through our front door. I went to my room and
> missed the whole event and never did meet the man. The next morning,
> the front page of the newspaper had a picture of Bernie walking though
> our front door. Bernie is now one of two independent US Senators for
> those of you wondering who I talking about.

That's a good story. By the way, Sanders is the only real independent Senator.
Lieberman is independent in name only. "Bipartisan," my ass... If you constantly vote
with and to enable the policies of the Republicans, you're not bipartisan, you're a
Republican. He isn't honest enough to admit it.

--
tanx,
Howard

Whatever happened to
Leon Trotsky?
He got an icepick
That made his ears burn.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

On May 16, 7:42 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> In article <14edf597-67dd-4d9c-b008-b6ac14c4f...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>  Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 16, 5:42 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> > >    That takes the 'strange person who showed up to a party but we
> > > eventually found
> > > out they didn't know anyone' thing to a new level.
>
> > It was a pretty informal living arrangement, six of us renting rooms
> > in a beat up old mansion in Burlington, VT for $100/mo. An interesting
> > bit of trivia is that when Bernie Sanders was elected Mayor of
> > Burlington, his victory party was at our house. One of my roommates
> > had been working hard for Bernie and offered our place for the party
> > since we had plenty of room. The roommate, also the SO mentioned
> > earlier, was a member of an anarchists club in Burlington and they had
> > all been working hard to get a socialist mayor elected. I had
> > forgotten about the party plans and came home from my job at IBM to
> > find camera crews from all three local TV stations waiting to get a
> > shot of Bernie walking through our front door. I went to my room and
> > missed the whole event and never did meet the man. The next morning,
> > the front page of the newspaper had a picture of Bernie walking though
> > our front door. Bernie is now one of two independent US Senators for
> > those of you wondering who I talking about.
>
>    That's a good story. By the way, Sanders is the only real independent Senator.
> Lieberman is independent in name only. "Bipartisan," my ass... If you constantly vote
> with and to enable the policies of the Republicans, you're not bipartisan,you're a
> Republican. He isn't honest enough to admit it.

It would have been a great story if I hadn't forgotten to mention that
my anarchist roommate claimed to have once tapped Caroline Kennedy.

Bret

On May 16, 8:21 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
wrote:
> Whether you become Edison, Bill Clinton, Newt
> Gingrich, Ken Lay or a buyer of communal goats depends
> on the degree of mania/enthusiasm and your circumstances.

What if you end up buying a garage-full of bikes?

On May 17, 9:37 am, Robert Chung <rech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 16, 8:21 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Whether you become Edison, Bill Clinton, Newt
> > Gingrich, Ken Lay or a buyer of communal goats depends
> > on the degree of mania/enthusiasm and your circumstances.
>
> What if you end up buying a garage-full of bikes?

Now that's funny! It's a curse to be able to glance at 30 bicycles
at the recycling center and immediately spot the one that's worth
something... Thank god for Craigslist.
-Paul