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I took this photo on Saturday morning. This cycle facility has just been completed. Well done
Ipswich Borough Council - the first cycling limbo dancing facility:
http://www.btinternet.com/~john.tomo/KIF_1458.JPG
I made it under but I found it rather more scary than using the road. The crappy white lines on the
road are new as well - I am due to meet with the council to get them removed.
John T.
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I would Bury my head into that!!!!
Cheers
Andy
"John Tomlinson" <john.tomo@pythonbtinternet.com> wrote in message
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> I took this photo on Saturday morning. This cycle facility has just been completed. Well done
> Ipswich Borough Council - the first cycling limbo dancing facility:
>
> http://www.btinternet.com/~john.tomo/KIF_1458.JPG
>
> I made it under but I found it rather more scary than using the road. The crappy white lines on
> the road are new as well - I am due to meet with the council to get them removed.
>
>
> John T.
>
> Remove the singers of Spam before replying
"John Tomlinson" <john.tomo@pythonbtinternet.com> wrote in message
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> I took this photo on Saturday morning. This cycle facility has just been completed. Well done
> Ipswich Borough Council - the first cycling limbo dancing facility:
>
> http://www.btinternet.com/~john.tomo/KIF_1458.JPG
>
> I made it under but I found it rather more scary than using the road. The crappy white lines on
> the road are new as well - I am due to meet with the council to get them removed.
If there weren't already thousands of such cycle "facilities" I would be flabbergasted, but still,
it's nice that traditional English cycle provision is being carried out. Are any of the "engineers"
who are responsible for the construction of such monstrosities ever dismissed for incompetence?
What's the problem with the white lines on the road? apart from the fact that they are obviously
too narrow.
>
>
> John T.
>
> Remove the singers of Spam before replying
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:47:24 +0000 (UTC), John Tomlinson <john.tomo@pythonbtinternet.com> wrote:
>I took this photo on Saturday morning. This cycle facility has just been completed. Well done
>Ipswich Borough Council - the first cycling limbo dancing facility:
>
>http://www.btinternet.com/~john.tomo/KIF_1458.JPG
>
>I made it under but I found it rather more scary than using the road. The crappy white lines on the
>road are new as well - I am due to meet with the council to get them removed.
Perhaps you could get them to add a height restriction to the sign too :o)
Regards Mark
> "John Tomlinson" <john.tomo@pythonbtinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:sj5cmvk698a6i2k8ev4gfdbpnntcv8kqmq@4ax.com...
> > I took this photo on Saturday morning. This cycle facility has just been completed. Well done
> > Ipswich Borough Council - the first cycling limbo dancing facility:
> >
> > http://www.btinternet.com/~john.tomo/KIF_1458.JPG
> >
> > I made it under but I found it rather more scary than using the road. The crappy white lines on
> > the road are new as well - I am due to meet with the council to get them removed.
> >
> >
> > John T.
Similar thing in Leeds near Halfords on Meadow road.
They've allowed cyclists to use the pavement as the one way system adds about five minutes to a
journey but there is a crazy number of fairly leathal objects littering the road.
Madness!
John Tomlinson wrote:
> I took this photo on Saturday morning. This cycle facility has just been completed. Well done
> Ipswich Borough Council - the first cycling limbo dancing facility:
>
> http://www.btinternet.com/~john.tomo/KIF_1458.JPG
>
> I made it under but I found it rather more scary than using the road. The crappy white lines on
> the road are new as well - I am due to meet with the council to get them removed.
>
Even the "cyclist friendly" city of Cambridge has some of those. I must go back and photograph a gem
I spotted in Salisbury the other day. Two way pavement cycle lane comes round the corner and ends
pointing the wrong way up a dual carriageway with central barrier. I know cyclists have a reputation
for cycling "the wrong way" but..........
Tony
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:47:24 +0000 (UTC), John Tomlinson <john.tomo@pythonbtinternet.com> wrote:
>http://www.btinternet.com/~john.tomo/KIF_1458.JPG
Clearly they haven't heard that the Dark Side rightly shun pavement cycle lanes as they are the
work of Stan.
Guy
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:09:24 +0100, "Richard Burton" <burtthebike@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>What's the problem with the white lines on the road? apart from the fact that they are obviously
>too narrow.
If I try and ride the junction in Primary Riding Position[1], which I used to do with very little
problem before the lines were painted, motorists start hurling abuse at me for _NOT USING THE CYCLE
LANE_. About one in five motorists use the cycle lane anyway - which they are entitled to as the
lane is dotted rather than solid in the same way that I am entitled to use the road. In short the
lanes are just causing conflict between confident cyclists and motorists.
Refering back to the picture, my normal route is to go past the road sign and then straight on at
the roundabout and through the pelican crossing - you can just see it in the picture. The new cycle
lane forces cyclists into the very left of the entry to the roundabout which results in a conflict
between cyclists going straight on and motorists turning left.
John T.
[1] See various threads on this group and refer to John Franklin's book Cyclecraft.
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:47:24 +0000 (UTC), John Tomlinson <john.tomo@pythonbtinternet.com> wrote:
>I took this photo on Saturday morning. This cycle facility has just been completed. Well done
>Ipswich Borough Council - the first cycling limbo dancing facility:
>
>http://www.btinternet.com/~john.tomo/KIF_1458.JPG
>
>I made it under but I found it rather more scary than using the road. The crappy white lines on the
>road are new as well - I am due to meet with the council to get them removed.
>
The problem with these sort of things, IMO, is not such much the cycle lane itself. Rather, it's the
way the pavement juts out to the right a few yards before the roundabout. Without the "jut" riding
straight ahead wouldn't be much of a problem. But the "jut" forces anyone in the cycle lane out into
the path of traffic coming up from behind.
The only safe way to ride through these things is to act as a motorbike, albeit a slow one,
and sit in the middle of the lane. Naturally, this will often bring out the "get in the cycle
lane" comments.
The cylist sign on the pavement itself makes me wonder about the sanity of members of Greater
Manchester council (presumably) and the sign writers.
James
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"Sorry mate, I didn't see you" is not a satisfactory excuse.
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:07:17 +0100, James Hodson <jUNDERSCOREhodson@ntlworld.com.invalid> wrote:
>The cylist sign on the pavement itself makes me wonder about the sanity of members of Greater
>Manchester council (presumably) and the sign writers.
It's Ipswich council actually. The Bury on the sign is Bury St Edmunds.
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 07:32:43 +0000 (UTC), John Tomlinson <john.tomo@pythonbtinternet.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:07:17 +0100, James Hodson <jUNDERSCOREhodson@ntlworld.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>The cylist sign on the pavement itself makes me wonder about the sanity of members of Greater
>>Manchester council (presumably) and the sign writers.
>
>It's Ipswich council actually. The Bury on the sign is Bury St Edmunds.
>
I notice you didn't comment about the sanity of the council :)
James
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"Sorry mate, I didn't see you" is not a satisfactory excuse.
John Tomlinson <john.tomo@pythonbtinternet.com> writes:
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:07:17 +0100, James Hodson <jUNDERSCOREhodson@ntlworld.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> >The cylist sign on the pavement itself makes me wonder about the sanity of members of Greater
> >Manchester council (presumably) and the sign writers.
>
> It's Ipswich council actually. The Bury on the sign is Bury St Edmunds.
Bit tough on St Edmunds. Is he dead?
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Morning had broken, and I found when I looked that we had run out of copper roove nails.
Simon Brooke wrote:
>John Tomlinson <john.tomo@pythonbtinternet.com> writes:
>
>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:07:17 +0100, James Hodson <jUNDERSCOREhodson@ntlworld.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >The cylist sign on the pavement itself makes me wonder about the sanity of members of Greater
>> >Manchester council (presumably) and the sign writers.
>>
>> It's Ipswich council actually. The Bury on the sign is Bury St Edmunds.
>
>Bit tough on St Edmunds. Is he dead?
St Edmund had his head chopped off by Vikings in 870AD, so I think it's safe to assume he's dead,
even if his head did shout at people who were looking for it so it could be buried with the rest
of his body.
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:47:24 +0000 (UTC), John Tomlinson <john.tomo@pythonbtinternet.com> wrote:
>I took this photo on Saturday morning. This cycle facility has just been completed. Well done
>Ipswich Borough Council - the first cycling limbo dancing facility:
>
>http://www.btinternet.com/~john.tomo/KIF_1458.JPG
>
>I made it under but I found it rather more scary than using the road. The crappy white lines on the
>road are new as well - I am due to meet with the council to get them removed.
>
Just in the way of a follow up. I met with both the borough and the county cycle safety officers.
The drawings of the above sign show that it should be 2.3m high. We measured it at 2.1m - so the
sign will be raised to meet the requirements of the original drawings.
As for the rather narrow advisory cycle lanes (dotted lines). I have agreement in principle to widen
the cycle lane as it approaches the roundabout entrance and also put some paint on the road to
indicate that cyclists will be going straight on as well as left. The cycle lane was designed to get
cyclists to the front of the queue that forms at this junction, however both the cycle officers
agreed that cyclists were being forced too far to the left.
We could not agree what to do with the advisory lane coming off the roundabout at the same exit (not
in the picture). This looks like it will remain.
John T. Remove the singers of Spam before replying
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:07:17 +0100, James Hodson <jUNDERSCOREhodson@ntlworld.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>The problem with these sort of things, IMO, is not such much the cycle lane itself. Rather, it's
>the way the pavement juts out to the right a few yards before the roundabout. Without the "jut"
>riding straight ahead wouldn't be much of a problem. But the "jut" forces anyone in the cycle lane
>out into the path of traffic coming up from behind.
>
The 'jut' has been reduced as part of the works taking place at the junction. You can see the line
the road used to take beyond the cycle painted on the road - not the one painted on the pavement.
The new tarmac is darker than the old.
>The only safe way to ride through these things is to act as a motorbike, albeit a slow one, and sit
>in the middle of the lane. Naturally, this will often bring out the "get in the cycle lane"
>comments.
Agreed.
John T. Remove the singers of Spam before replying
On 22 Sep 2003 12:21:32 +0100 (BST), armb@chiark.greenend.org.uk (Alan Braggins) wrote:
>Simon Brooke wrote:
>>John Tomlinson <john.tomo@pythonbtinternet.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 03:07:17 +0100, James Hodson <jUNDERSCOREhodson@ntlworld.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> >The cylist sign on the pavement itself makes me wonder about the sanity of members of Greater
>>> >Manchester council (presumably) and the sign writers.
>>>
>>> It's Ipswich council actually. The Bury on the sign is Bury St Edmunds.
>>
>>Bit tough on St Edmunds. Is he dead?
>
>St Edmund had his head chopped off by Vikings in 870AD, so I think it's safe to assume he's dead,
>even if his head did shout at people who were looking for it so it could be buried with the rest of
>his body.
I come to Bury St.Edmunds, not to praise him.
Sorry.
Tim
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Alan Braggins wrote:
>
> St Edmund had his head chopped off by Vikings in 870AD, so I think it's safe to assume he's dead,
> even if his head did shout at people who were looking for it so it could be buried with the rest
> of his body.
Was he wearing a helmet?
Tony ;-)
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"Tony Raven" <junk@raven-family.com> writes:
> Alan Braggins wrote:
> >
> > St Edmund had his head chopped off by Vikings in 870AD, so I think it's safe to assume he's
> > dead, even if his head did shout at people who were looking for it so it could be buried with
> > the rest of his body.
>
> Was he wearing a helmet?
No, bib-shorts. And it wasn't actually _vikings_, as such.
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Morning had broken, and there was nothing we could do but wait patiently for the RAC
to arrive.
Simon Brooke wrote:
> "Tony Raven" <junk@raven-family.com> writes:
>
>> Alan Braggins wrote:
>>>
>>> St Edmund had his head chopped off by Vikings in 870AD, so I think it's safe to assume he's
>>> dead, even if his head did shout at people who were looking for it so it could be buried with
>>> the rest of his body.
>>
>> Was he wearing a helmet?
>
> No, bib-shorts. And it wasn't actually _vikings_, as such.
I can see how wearing bib-shorts would lead to his head being chopped off by a flying paving slab in
that part of the world but surely only a helmet could ensure he was still alive and shouting
afterwards ;-)
Tony
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