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From CBSnews.com, on the postponement of the California recall election:
"The decision stunned and outraged Davis' challengers. 'It's authoritarian,' said Republican state
Sen. [Tom] McClintock. 'It's un-American. It's French.' "
hah !
"Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message news:3f671865$0$20165$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
> From CBSnews.com, on the postponement of the California recall election:
>
> "The decision stunned and outraged Davis' challengers. 'It's authoritarian,' said Republican state
> Sen. [Tom] McClintock. 'It's un-American. It's French.' "
> "The decision stunned and outraged Davis' challengers. 'It's authoritarian,' said Republican state
> Sen. [Tom] McClintock. 'It's un-American. It's French.' "
Yea, I saw the interview on TV. More fuel for the fire, I guess.
Dave
"Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> a écrit dans le message de
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> From CBSnews.com, on the postponement of the California recall election:
>
> "The decision stunned and outraged Davis' challengers. 'It's authoritarian,' said Republican state
> Sen. [Tom] McClintock. 'It's un-American. It's French.' "
>
>
No doubt about it, the French are un-American. And Americans are un-French! They must be plucking
state senators straight out of JPL these days.
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Robert Chung wrote:
> From CBSnews.com, on the postponement of the California recall election:
>
> "The decision stunned and outraged Davis' challengers. 'It's authoritarian,' said Republican state
> Sen. [Tom] McClintock. 'It's un-American. It's French.' "
I wonder how he kisses his wife.
"Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message news:3f671865$0$20165$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
> From CBSnews.com, on the postponement of the California recall
election:
>
> "The decision stunned and outraged Davis' challengers. 'It's authoritarian,' said Republican state
> Sen. [Tom] McClintock. 'It's un-American. It's French.' "
Famous old joke line form Mark Twain.
In article <3f671865$0$20165$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, "Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote:
> From CBSnews.com, on the postponement of the California recall election:
>
> "The decision stunned and outraged Davis' challengers. 'It's authoritarian,' said Republican state
> Sen. [Tom] McClintock. 'It's un-American. It's French.' "
____________________________________________________________________________
Attorney Charles Diamond, who represents Sacramento recall leader Ted Costa, called the decision
"wrong headed" and said Costa has not yet decided on his next move.
"The fight has just begun," Diamond told Reuters. "If (punch cards) were good enough to elect our
president we don't see why not they're not good enough to elect our Governor."
_____________________________________________________________________________
Sorry, the link to the rest of the article is now broken.
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 22:51:07 +0200, trg wrote:
> They must be plucking state senators straight out of JPL these days.
Jet Propulsion Lab? I don't get it.
Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in message
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> In article <3f671865$0$20165$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, "Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > From CBSnews.com, on the postponement of the California recall election:
> >
> > "The decision stunned and outraged Davis' challengers. 'It's authoritarian,' said Republican
> > state Sen. [Tom] McClintock. 'It's un-American. It's French.' "
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> Attorney Charles Diamond, who represents Sacramento recall leader Ted Costa, called the decision
> "wrong headed" and said Costa has not yet decided on his next move.
>
> "The fight has just begun," Diamond told Reuters. "If (punch cards) were good enough to elect our
> president we don't see why not they're not good enough to elect our Governor."
> _____________________________________________________________________________
> Sorry, the link to the rest of the article is now broken.
Diamond was wrong - the Supreme Court "elected" the president. Or, more appropriately, the right
wing thereof.
Well, at least the short-sighted policies/plans of the current administration are biting them in the
ass - hard - right before the election. Not that I like to watch my fellow citizens suffer, but I'm
praying for an economic downturn.
Christ, I bust a gut every time I watch W screw up his face and try to look mean and Texan. I loved
it when he said that HE (yes, the money's coming out of his pocket!) would spend whatever it took
and sacrifice as many of our patriotic armed forces servants to achieve his goals in Iraq.
I wonder, when all is said and done, how many will have died since the Son of a Bush's victory
declaration? And, how long will it take for groups unfriendly to the US to take over the
government there?
Sorry, I thought this thread would at least be tenuously connected to cycling but then found I had
to add my own valueless input to a thread already devoid of cycling content.
App
I wonder how many people you think were murdered in cold blood in the World Trade Centers.
Apparently a couple hundred soldiers lost trying to eliminate the supporters of terrorism is so much
to pay that you are more willing to allow thousands of innocent non-combatants to die in their
stead. Let me congradulate your courage.
"Appkiller" <petengail@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in message
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> > In article <3f671865$0$20165$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, "Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From CBSnews.com, on the postponement of the California recall
election:
> > >
> > > "The decision stunned and outraged Davis' challengers. 'It's authoritarian,' said Republican
> > > state Sen. [Tom] McClintock.
'It's
> > > un-American. It's French.' "
> >
> >
______________________________________________________________________
______
> > Attorney Charles Diamond, who represents Sacramento recall leader
Ted Costa,
> > called the decision "wrong headed" and said Costa has not yet
decided on his
> > next move.
> >
> > "The fight has just begun," Diamond told Reuters. "If (punch
cards) were good
> > enough to elect our president we don't see why not they're not
good enough to
> > elect our Governor."
> >
______________________________________________________________________
_______
> > Sorry, the link to the rest of the article is now broken.
>
> Diamond was wrong - the Supreme Court "elected" the president. Or, more appropriately, the right
> wing thereof.
>
> Well, at least the short-sighted policies/plans of the current administration are biting them
> in the ass - hard - right before the election. Not that I like to watch my fellow citizens
> suffer, but
I'm
> praying for an economic downturn.
>
> Christ, I bust a gut every time I watch W screw up his face and try
to
> look mean and Texan. I loved it when he said that HE (yes, the money's coming out of his pocket!)
> would spend whatever it took and sacrifice as many of our patriotic armed forces servants to
> achieve his goals in Iraq.
>
> I wonder, when all is said and done, how many will have died since
the
> Son of a Bush's victory declaration? And, how long will it take for groups unfriendly to the US to
> take over the government there?
>
> Sorry, I thought this thread would at least be tenuously connected
to
> cycling but then found I had to add my own valueless input to a
thread
> already devoid of cycling content.
>
> App
Tom Kunich wrote:
> I wonder how many people you think were murdered in cold blood in the World Trade Centers.
> Apparently a couple hundred soldiers lost trying to eliminate the supporters of terrorism is so
> much to pay that you are more willing to allow thousands of innocent non-combatants to die in
> their stead. Let me congradulate your courage.
Why are you linking WTC and Iraq? It must be inconvenient having the President undercut your
argument on the same day that you make it.
In article <3f6934ab$0$10423$626a54ce@news.free.fr>, "Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
> > I wonder how many people you think were murdered in cold blood in the World Trade Centers.
> > Apparently a couple hundred soldiers lost trying to eliminate the supporters of terrorism is so
> > much to pay that you are more willing to allow thousands of innocent non-combatants to die in
> > their stead. Let me congradulate your courage.
>
> Why are you linking WTC and Iraq? It must be inconvenient having the President undercut your
> argument on the same day that you make it.
>
>
I guess someone should have told Cheney before he went on Press the Meat last Sunday. It's mighty
curious that they are changing to this new tack now after all the time they spent alluding to the
"linkage" between AQ and Iraq in the run into the war. Especially curious considering the "70% of
Americans believe there's a connection" poll numbers.
http://www.startribune.com/stories/561/4101486.html
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"Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message news:3f6934ab$0$10423$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
> Tom Kunich wrote:
> > I wonder how many people you think were murdered in cold blood in
the
> > World Trade Centers. Apparently a couple hundred soldiers lost
trying
> > to eliminate the supporters of terrorism is so much to pay that
you
> > are more willing to allow thousands of innocent non-combatants to
die
> > in their stead. Let me congradulate your courage.
>
> Why are you linking WTC and Iraq? It must be inconvenient having the President undercut your
> argument on the same day that you make it.
You seem to have a little trouble linking a man who was paying off terrorists all over the middle
east with encouraging terrorism everywhere. But I see this sort of argument all the time.
Clinton blindly shooting the entire US compliment of cruise missles into Iraq when they in fact had
a dozen targets at the most was a strong show of force but Bush accomplishing the removal of a
bloody handed murderer is somehow bad.
Tell you what Robert, why don't you stand in the middle of Bagdad and tell the inhabitants there
that they were better off without the United States decimating Hussein and his forces.
In article <vWrab.8754$BS5.6505@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "Tom Kunich"
<tkunich@earthlink.net> wrote:
> "Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:3f6934ab$0$10423$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
> > Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > I wonder how many people you think were murdered in cold blood in
> the
> > > World Trade Centers. Apparently a couple hundred soldiers lost
> trying
> > > to eliminate the supporters of terrorism is so much to pay that
> you
> > > are more willing to allow thousands of innocent non-combatants to
> die
> > > in their stead. Let me congradulate your courage.
> >
> > Why are you linking WTC and Iraq? It must be inconvenient having the President undercut your
> > argument on the same day that you make it.
>
> You seem to have a little trouble linking a man who was paying off terrorists all over the middle
> east with encouraging terrorism everywhere. But I see this sort of argument all the time.
There's -far- more hard evidence available that the biggest financial supporters of terrorists in
the middle east are (and have been) in Saudi Arabia.
> Clinton blindly shooting the entire US compliment of cruise missles into Iraq when they in fact
> had a dozen targets at the most was a strong show of force but Bush accomplishing the removal of a
> bloody handed murderer is somehow bad.
What I've seen and read indicates that military brass thought that the cruise missile operation
of Anthony Zinni was rather successful. But since it happened during the dark days of Clinton, it
must not have been any good, right?
> Tell you what Robert, why don't you stand in the middle of Bagdad and tell the inhabitants there
> that they were better off without the United States decimating Hussein and his forces.
You've jumped from "it's about the weapons" to "it's about the liberation" as a justification
even faster than W. For another perspective, try this one: "For the last six months I have
participated in what I believe to be the great modern lie: Operation Iraqi Freedom." First line
in a commentary written by a US soldier in Iraq, printed in today's LA Times:
<http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-predmore17sep17,1,1681259.s
tory?coll=la-news-comment-opinions>
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Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:3f6934ab$0$10423$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
>
>>Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>>>I wonder how many people you think were murdered in cold blood in
>>
> the
>
>>>World Trade Centers. Apparently a couple hundred soldiers lost
>>
> trying
>
>>>to eliminate the supporters of terrorism is so much to pay that
>>
> you
>
>>>are more willing to allow thousands of innocent non-combatants to
>>
> die
>
>>>in their stead. Let me congradulate your courage.
>>
>>Why are you linking WTC and Iraq? It must be inconvenient having the President undercut your
>>argument on the same day that you make it.
>
>
> You seem to have a little trouble linking a man who was paying off terrorists all over the middle
> east with encouraging terrorism everywhere. But I see this sort of argument all the time.
>
> Clinton blindly shooting the entire US compliment of cruise missles into Iraq when they in fact
> had a dozen targets at the most was a strong show of force but Bush accomplishing the removal of a
> bloody handed murderer is somehow bad.
It wasn't WHAT Bush did. It's really hard to argue against removing Saddam. It was HOW he did it.
Because it's really hard to argue against removing Saddam, we should have been able to pull it off
without any trouble, along with the rest of the world.
> Tell you what Robert, why don't you stand in the middle of Bagdad and tell the inhabitants there
> that they were better off without the United States decimating Hussein and his forces.
Hey, if he did that in the middle of Baghdad or several other cities in the Sunni Triangle, it's
quite possible he'd get cheered. Things do suck in large parts of Iraq, and the Iraqis (in those
parts) don't like it.
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"Tom Kunich" <tkunich@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:<vWrab.8754$BS5.6505@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> "Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:3f6934ab$0$10423$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
> > Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > I wonder how many people you think were murdered in cold blood in
> the
> > > World Trade Centers. Apparently a couple hundred soldiers lost
> trying
> > > to eliminate the supporters of terrorism is so much to pay that
> you
> > > are more willing to allow thousands of innocent non-combatants to
> die
> > > in their stead. Let me congradulate your courage.
> >
> > Why are you linking WTC and Iraq? It must be inconvenient having the President undercut your
> > argument on the same day that you make it.
>
> You seem to have a little trouble linking a man who was paying off terrorists all over the middle
> east with encouraging terrorism everywhere. But I see this sort of argument all the time.
>
> Clinton blindly shooting the entire US compliment of cruise missles into Iraq when they in fact
> had a dozen targets at the most was a strong show of force but Bush accomplishing the removal of a
> bloody handed murderer is somehow bad.
>
> Tell you what Robert, why don't you stand in the middle of Bagdad and tell the inhabitants there
> that they were better off without the United States decimating Hussein and his forces.
That's fine, except that Bush didn't justify the invasion as an excerise in altruism. Since
Saddam didn't have major ties with ao Qaeda, and since Anti-American sentiment has only
increased since the US began to occupy Iraq, it is quite likely that innocent US civilians are
LESS safe from terrorist attack than they were before
Tom Kunich wrote:
> Tell you what Robert, why don't you stand in the middle of Bagdad and tell the inhabitants there
> that they were better off without the United States decimating Hussein and his forces.
Tell you what Tom, why don't you go find the mother of one of the GIs who has been killed in Iraq
and tell her she's better off and, by they way, she owes $290 next year as her part of the $87
billion? Be sure to tell the father that he owes $290, too. Tell you what Tom, why don't you go
stand in the middle of a kindergarten class in the US and tell those kids that each of them owes
$290 just for next year, and that you'll be back later to ask for more? So Tom, did you stand up at
California's Republican convention last weekend and ask that a head tax be imposed on every man,
woman, and child in the US next year to cover the $87 billion?
"Howard Kveck" <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in message
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>
> There's -far- more hard evidence available that the biggest financial
> supporters of terrorists in the middle east are (and have been) in Saudi
Arabia.
That's been evident all along. 15 of 19 9/11 terrorists, Al Qaeda being an exiled Saudi
organization, Wahhabist fundamentalism being the sect of Al Qaeda, etc.
It's kind of sick that Saudi Arabia is being given a free pass on 9/11.
> "For the last six months I have participated in what I believe to be the
great
> modern lie: Operation Iraqi Freedom." First line in a commentary written by a US soldier in Iraq,
> printed in
today's
> LA Times:
I've talked to 2 soldiers. One on family emergency leave from Iraq, the other returned. The first
one was soooooooo bummed at going back (sat next to him on a commercial flight). The second one was
glad to be home, but he was still a little freaked out. You could see it in his eyes. If people were
shooting at me, I'd be freaked out too. It's not pretty.
Bush's popularity has been dropping - down to 52%. I think the Iraq situation which not long ago was
his greatest victory, could be his undoing in the 2004 elections. When the soldiers come home in
that state of mind - it travels and it has more of an effect than press conferences, tax cuts or
pork barrel spending.
One thing I'll give credit to W for. Yesterday he finally was upfront about Iraq not being connected
to 9/11. He waited too long though - should have done it before the war.
Isidor Gunsberg schreef:
> That's fine, except that Bush didn't justify the invasion as an excerise in altruism. Since
> Saddam didn't have major ties with ao Qaeda, and since Anti-American sentiment has only
> increased since the US began to occupy Iraq, it is quite likely that innocent US civilians are
> LESS safe from terrorist attack than they were before
That's an obvious interpretation. But OTOH, nowadays Iraq seems a potent black hole where most
Qaeda-related energy is sucked into. So less of 'em are probably working on western plans.
This is an example of how spin and lies related to a 'clash of civilisations' become
self-fullfilling prophecies. Now baathists and qaeda ARE working together.
In article <3F6AAA9C.7020309@attbi.com>, Raptor <me@attbi.com> wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
> > "Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:3f6934ab$0$10423$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
> > Tell you what Robert, why don't you stand in the middle of Bagdad and tell the inhabitants there
> > that they were better off without the United States decimating Hussein and his forces.
>
> Hey, if he did that in the middle of Baghdad or several other cities in the Sunni Triangle, it's
> quite possible he'd get cheered. Things do suck in large parts of Iraq, and the Iraqis (in those
> parts) don't like it.
Even the Iraqis who were against Saddam the entire time and were glad he's gone are starting to
say that if things don't improve pronto, they will take up arms against the US. They're
beginning to see the US as an occupying force, not liberators. The lack of planning for the
aftermath is stunning.
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