Shimano 105 10 spd groupset
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I have watched this gem of a group evolve since as far back as 1988 when I used to marvel over the latest Shimano groupsets- when Santé, Exage action, downtube levers ad biopace chainrings were cool. (whatever happened to Santé??). Funnily enough I have never used a 105 component but would like to hear how the 2008 group in the silver finish performs. What do you like or dislike about the group??? WHat wouldyou suggest to Shimano for changes to it in 2010??? For example if I had to make some changes to the fabulous Ultegra SL group I would engineer its groupset to be as close as possible to DA7800's. Funny how 7800 will be fased out. Pity really. It looks and performs so well and for me has not been eclipsed in any way by 7900 like new cars which make their predecessors look uncool and simply old- like Obama and Bush. (hehehehe).
So 2008 105 users, spill your guts.....
A really great group set. Performance wise, the only way that I can tell the difference between 105, Ultegra, and DA is by reading what is written on them. Each of these groups was new, by the way, so they all were expected to, and did shift perfectly (of course having them installed by a top notch wrench didn't hurt either). It may be that over time, as components wear a little, there may be a big difference. Anyway, I have no complaints about the 2008 105 10speed group. Weight weenies will probably disagree with me on this but I am just a humble recreational rider and I really can't feel the difference between a couple of grams here and there. It might mean more to me if I were competeing in events that were decided by nanoseconds. I don't think that they really need to change anything for 2010, except to maybe make the brifters rebuildable.
A really great group set. Performance wise, the only way that I can tell the difference between 105, Ultegra, and DA is by reading what is written on them. Each of these groups was new, by the way, so they all were expected to, and did shift perfectly (of course having them installed by a top notch wrench didn't hurt either). It may be that over time, as components wear a little, there may be a big difference. Anyway, I have no complaints about the 2008 105 10speed group. Weight weenies will probably disagree with me on this but I am just a humble recreational rider and I really can't feel the difference between a couple of grams here and there. It might mean more to me if I were competeing in events that were decided by nanoseconds. I don't think that they really need to change anything for 2010, except to maybe make the brifters rebuildable.
yes, I applaud Shimano for such an excellent gem of a groupset which can be had for as little as €400. It is thanks to Shimano that guys like CUBE, and FOCUS can offer us sub €1000 bikes with 105 or even Ultegra SL. I could train or race on 105 easily, hack it around all day in the rain and not feel as though I had wrecked the gruppo. Wonder what 105 is like for wear??
My first integrated road group is the 2008 Shimano 105 and I am very happy with it. It shifts great, and does everything I would expect of it. My setup is a compact double with a SRAM 11-28 cassette, and custom built 27" wheels using SUN CR18 rims on a 1986 Schwinn Voyageur.
I initially was going to have it built with Tiagra to keep the cost down, but the shop I bought from couldn't get Tiagra from the supplier as a complete group so I bit the bullet and moved up to 10 speed. To be honest, I would have probably been happy with Sora, if the thumb shifter was usable from the drops.
I am a recreational rider, so I am not willing to pay extra for a group higher than 105, since for me it is just money down the drain. Others obviously feel differently, and I don't begrudge them at all. I even occasionally look at Ultegra and wonder about upgrading... then I gain my senses.
Functionally, I have no complaints at all... Aesthetically, I wish Shimano would return to the more retro look of a more silver look... like the traditional polished alloy rather than the shades of anodizing they use. ;)
My first integrated road group is the 2008 Shimano 105 and I am very happy with it. It shifts great, and does everything I would expect of it. My setup is a compact double with a SRAM 11-28 cassette, and custom built 27" wheels using SUN CR18 rims on a 1986 Schwinn Voyageur.
I initially was going to have it built with Tiagra to keep the cost down, but the shop I bought from couldn't get Tiagra from the supplier as a complete group so I bit the bullet and moved up to 10 speed. To be honest, I would have probably been happy with Sora, if the thumb shifter was usable from the drops.
I am a recreational rider, so I am not willing to pay extra for a group higher than 105, since for me it is just money down the drain. Others obviously feel differently, and I don't begrudge them at all. I even occasionally look at Ultegra and wonder about upgrading... then I gain my senses.
Functionally, I have no complaints at all... Aesthetically, I wish Shimano would return to the more retro look of a more silver look... like the traditional polished alloy rather than the shades of anodizing they use. ;)
you are right about their anodising especially with the new black look 105 for 2009. yuk!!! However the silver/grey look of the Ultegra SL is really smart. Sometimes a budget group can be just too good. Take the 2008 Centaur carbon group- carbon rear mech, black-solver front, carbon c/set, skeletal brakes, beautifully crafted carbon brake levers. I mean, it just knocked Chrous out of the water in terms of "why you would bother spending almost 70% more just to have Chorus on. The wieght difference I don't think passed 100g between the two groups and I proudly have a carbon rear centaur, centaur front on my Addict. Also if you like or prefer the look of something then you will probably buy it. I like the look of the Shimano 105 2008 levers. The ultegra SL left crank is beautiful.
you are right about their anodising especially with the new black look 105 for 2009. yuk!!! However the silver/grey look of the Ultegra SL is really smart. Sometimes a budget group can be just too good. Take the 2008 Centaur carbon group- carbon rear mech, black-solver front, carbon c/set, skeletal brakes, beautifully crafted carbon brake levers. I mean, it just knocked Chrous out of the water in terms of "why you would bother spending almost 70% more just to have Chorus on. The wieght difference I don't think passed 100g between the two groups and I proudly have a carbon rear centaur, centaur front on my Addict. Also if you like or prefer the look of something then you will probably buy it. I like the look of the Shimano 105 2008 levers. The ultegra SL left crank is beautiful.
Why bother with 2008 Chorus instead of 2008 Centaur? Because that lever, along with Mirage, Veloce and Xenon, in 2007/8, have been abandoned in favor of an all UT ERGO lineup for 2009. Xenon based, not well made, lacking the function of both the left and right lever function of 2009(all), 2006 ERGO(all but Xenon) and Record/Chorus of 2007/8.
Why bother with 2008 Chorus instead of 2008 Centaur? Because that lever, along with Mirage, Veloce and Xenon, in 2007/8, have been abandoned in favor of an all UT ERGO lineup for 2009. Xenon based, not well made, lacking the function of both the left and right lever function of 2009(all), 2006 ERGO(all but Xenon) and Record/Chorus of 2007/8.Yes, the Xenon-based shifters do lack the functionality of the OTHER Campagnolo shifters, BUT they have no less functionality than the Shimano or SRAM shifters!
And, while probably not an economical endeavor, the Xenon-based shifters can be rebuilt.
Yes, the Xenon-based shifters do lack the functionality of the OTHER Campagnolo shifters, BUT they have no less functionality than the Shimano or SRAM shifters!
And, while probably not an economical endeavor, the Xenon-based shifters can be rebuilt.
No less but Campagnolo should be ashamed for fielding these. Rebuildable, yes, but the small parts of xenon based levers are as rare as the innards for sram and shimano levers....as in not really available.
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