View Full Version : VaE Stage 11: Nozal increases his lead
Isidro Nozal and the vast majority of the GC contenders finished together in the lead group, but
Manuel Beltran crashed and lost about a minute, finishing in a second peloton along with Michele
Scarponi of Domina Vacanze, Luis Perez of Cofidis, and Alessandro Petacchi, who had to sit out as
Erik Zabel screamed to a close win over Tom Boonen (Quick Step) and Angel Edo (MSS).
More damage: Angel Casero @ 3.41, Juan Miguel Mercado @ 6.53, three ONCE riders together at 10.56,
and Roberto Laiseka and single-day rider Gorka Gerrikagoitia finishing together, the last finishers
@ 14.17 after crashing hard. Laiseka has had a horrible Vuelta, but I believe he will finish it
nonetheless.
Biggest losers of the day, and the entire Vuelta: Saeco down to three riders with the loss of team
leader Igor Astarloa. With his abandon, the team falls to last place in the standings behind Vini
Caldirola. The remaining riders are Juan Fuentes, 146th @ 2:01.40, Igor Pugaci, 166th @ 2:19.57, and
Christian Pepoli, 167th (of 168) @ 2:29.17.
-Sonarrat.
Sonarrat wrote:
> Isidro Nozal and the vast majority of the GC contenders finished together in the lead group, but
> Manuel Beltran crashed and lost about a minute, finishing in a second peloton along with Michele
> Scarponi of Domina Vacanze, Luis Perez of Cofidis, and Alessandro Petacchi, who had to sit out as
> Erik Zabel screamed to a close win over Tom Boonen (Quick Step) and Angel Edo (MSS).
Did he (Beltran) crash ? I was under the impression the peloton split up in a crosswind and he ended
up in the wrong side of the split.
Good to see Zabel winning again despite all the claims made about him getting old. I wonder if he
has an outside chance in Hamilton; it would be quite amusing if alleged fat masters won 2
consecutive world championships.
news:pan.2003.09.18.08.51.31.314944@yyy.zzz...
> Sonarrat wrote:
>
> > Isidro Nozal and the vast majority of the GC contenders finished together
in the
> > lead group, but Manuel Beltran crashed and lost about a minute, finishing
in a
> > second peloton along with Michele Scarponi of Domina Vacanze, Luis Perez
of
> > Cofidis, and Alessandro Petacchi, who had to sit out as Erik Zabel
screamed to a
> > close win over Tom Boonen (Quick Step) and Angel Edo (MSS).
>
> Did he (Beltran) crash ? I was under the impression the peloton split up in a crosswind and he
> ended up in the wrong side of the split.
>
> Good to see Zabel winning again despite all the claims made about him getting old. I wonder if he
> has an outside chance in Hamilton; it would be quite amusing if alleged fat masters won 2
> consecutive world championships.
Dumbass -
I agree. More fuel for bagging on the 30+ & 35+ categories.
news:pan.2003.09.18.08.51.31.314944@yyy.zzz...
> Sonarrat wrote:
>
> > Isidro Nozal and the vast majority of the GC contenders finished together in
the
> > lead group, but Manuel Beltran crashed and lost about a minute, finishing in
a
> > second peloton along with Michele Scarponi of Domina Vacanze, Luis Perez of Cofidis, and
> > Alessandro Petacchi, who had to sit out as Erik Zabel screamed
to a
> > close win over Tom Boonen (Quick Step) and Angel Edo (MSS).
>
> Did he (Beltran) crash ? I was under the impression the peloton split up in a crosswind and he
> ended up in the wrong side of the split.
That's what was reported by the OLN announcers, no footage was provided to confirm.
> Good to see Zabel winning again despite all the claims made about him getting old. I wonder if he
> has an outside chance in Hamilton; it would be quite amusing if alleged fat masters won 2
> consecutive world championships.
Given the fact that the 12-mile circuit has two climbs on it, one short and steep and one long
and gentle, I think Bettini, Basso and Rasmussen, just to name a few, have a better chance than
Zabel does.
-Sonarrat.
news:pan.2003.09.18.08.51.31.314944@yyy.zzz...
> Sonarrat wrote:
>
> > Isidro Nozal and the vast majority of the GC contenders finished
together in the
> > lead group, but Manuel Beltran crashed and lost about a minute,
finishing in a
> > second peloton along with Michele Scarponi of Domina Vacanze, Luis Perez
of
> > Cofidis, and Alessandro Petacchi, who had to sit out as Erik Zabel
screamed to a
> > close win over Tom Boonen (Quick Step) and Angel Edo (MSS).
>
> Did he (Beltran) crash ? I was under the impression the peloton split up in a crosswind and he
> ended up in the wrong side of the split.
>
That's the info I had. Bruyneel said today on Belgian TV that Beltran was just tired, so he missed
the split.
I love the flat stages of the Vuelta :-) Today's was great.
Jeff
Donald Munro wrote:
>
> Good to see Zabel winning again despite all the claims made about him getting old. I wonder if he
> has an outside chance in Hamilton; it would be quite amusing if alleged fat masters won 2
> consecutive world championships.
>
It would be a very outside chance. Zabel is the best sprinter after a hilly parcours, but Hamilton
is too hilly for him. The German team would have to risk keeping the whole race together to bring
Zabel to the line in the front group, and if I was the DS I wouldn't have the confidence. The finish
line is slightly downhill, which also does not favour Zabel. I would pick a rider like Bettini or
Boogerd <!>. This isn't an official choice, so therefore dodges the candy-ass label.
Jeff Jones wrote:
>
> I love the flat stages of the Vuelta :-) Today's was great.
Schadenfreude.
Donald Munro wrote:
>> Did he (Beltran) crash ? I was under the impression the peloton split up in a crosswind and he
>> ended up in the wrong side of the split.
Jeff Jones wrote:
> That's the info I had. Bruyneel said today on Belgian TV that Beltran was just tired, so he missed
> the split.
>
> I love the flat stages of the Vuelta :-) Today's was great.
Interesting to watch, but hard flat races in strong crosswinds are the toughest kind of race for me
and I suspect for many other lightweight climber/slow twitch fibre type riders :-(. Just reading
your commentary made me feel some sympathy for the poor blighters at the back trying to find some
shelter with riders sometimes literally fighting each other for a spot more or less out of the wind.
"Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message news:3f69d39c$0$20179$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
> Jeff Jones wrote:
> >
> > I love the flat stages of the Vuelta :-) Today's was great.
>
> Schadenfreude.
>
Makes my job more interesting though.
I know what it's like to be in the wrong end of the peloton in a cross wind, don't worry. It's great
when you're up the front though - you can cause some serious damage with four or five riders
swapping off on the opposite side of the road to where the wind is coming from.
Jeff
Jeff Jones wrote:
> "Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:3f69d39c$0$20179$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
>> Jeff Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> I love the flat stages of the Vuelta :-) Today's was great.
>>
>> Schadenfreude.
>>
> Makes my job more interesting though.
>
> I know what it's like to be in the wrong end of the peloton in a cross wind, don't worry. It's
> great when you're up the front though - you can cause some serious damage with four or five riders
> swapping off on the opposite side of the road to where the wind is coming from.
Yeah, ONCE is quite good at exploiting those splits, even though today it was USPS that was driving
the group. One of the things I like about the Vuelta is seeing the echelons form. The crosswinds
turn those flat Spanish stages into a real war of attrition.
And I wasn't suggesting that schadenfreude is a bad thing.
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:13:17 +0200, Robert Chung wrote:
> And I wasn't suggesting that schadenfreude is a bad thing.
There isn't an English word for it, is there? There is one in Dutch (leedvermaak), but then Dutch is
almost Deutsch of course.
Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:13:17 +0200, Robert Chung wrote:
>> And I wasn't suggesting that schadenfreude is a bad thing.
>
> There isn't an English word for it, is there?
Not that I know of, but then I'm both dumb and ignorant. Apparently French also lacks words for
certain concepts: Tony Blair is alleged to have said that our President told him, "the problem with
France is that they have no word for 'entrepreneur.'"
"Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message news:3f6a1e09$0$27597$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> > On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:13:17 +0200, Robert Chung wrote:
> >> And I wasn't suggesting that schadenfreude is a bad thing.
> >
> > There isn't an English word for it, is there?
>
> Not that I know of, but then I'm both dumb and ignorant. Apparently French also lacks words for
> certain concepts: Tony Blair is alleged to have said that our President told him, "the problem
> with France is that they have no word for 'entrepreneur.'"
Interesting idea, but 'entrepreneur' was a French word in the first place... from "entreprendre," to
undertake.
-Sonarrat.
"Sonarrat" <sonarrat@postmark.net> wrote in message
>
> Interesting idea, but 'entrepreneur' was a French word in the first
place...
> from "entreprendre," to undertake.
>
> -Sonarrat.
Duh, that was the joke. Nice job on stating the obvious.
Sonarrat wrote:
> "Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:3f6a1e09$0$27597$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
>
>>Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:13:17 +0200, Robert Chung wrote:
>>>
>>>>And I wasn't suggesting that schadenfreude is a bad thing.
>>>
>>>There isn't an English word for it, is there?
>>
>>Not that I know of, but then I'm both dumb and ignorant. Apparently French also lacks words for
>>certain concepts: Tony Blair is alleged to have said that our President told him, "the problem
>>with France is that they have no word for 'entrepreneur.'"
>
>
> Interesting idea, but 'entrepreneur' was a French word in the first place... from "entreprendre,"
> to undertake.
Sonarrat <sonarrat@postmark.net> wrote:
> > Not that I know of, but then I'm both dumb and ignorant. Apparently French also lacks words for
> > certain concepts: Tony Blair is alleged to have said that our President told him, "the problem
> > with France is that they have no word for 'entrepreneur.'"
> Interesting idea, but 'entrepreneur' was a French word in the first place... from "entreprendre,"
> to undertake.
Please do not step on the rbr punchlines. That is El Gordo Stevie's job. You do know that Chung
lives in France, yes?
"Benjamin Weiner" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in message news:3f6a936a$1@news.ucsc.edu...
> Sonarrat <sonarrat@postmark.net> wrote:
>
> > > Not that I know of, but then I'm both dumb and ignorant. Apparently French also lacks words
> > > for certain concepts: Tony Blair is alleged to have said that our President told him, "the
> > > problem with France is that they have no word for 'entrepreneur.'"
>
> > Interesting idea, but 'entrepreneur' was a French word in the first place... from
> > "entreprendre," to undertake.
>
> Please do not step on the rbr punchlines. That is El Gordo Stevie's job. You do know that Chung
> lives in France, yes?
Forgive me for underestimating the average IQ of the RBR audience - an extremely hard thing
to do, mind.
-Sonarrat.
Exemplary.
Kirby.
"Sonarrat" <sonarrat@postmark.net> wrote in message news:vmkljkoap12mba@corp.supernews.com...
> "Robert Chung" <invalid@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:3f6a1e09$0$27597$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
> > Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> > > On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:13:17 +0200, Robert Chung wrote:
> > >> And I wasn't suggesting that schadenfreude is a bad thing.
> > >
> > > There isn't an English word for it, is there?
> >
> > Not that I know of, but then I'm both dumb and ignorant. Apparently French also lacks words for
> > certain concepts: Tony Blair is alleged to have said that our President told him, "the problem
> > with France is that they have no word for 'entrepreneur.'"
>
> Interesting idea, but 'entrepreneur' was a French word in the first place... from "entreprendre,"
> to undertake.
>
> -Sonarrat.
"Sonarrat" <sonarrat@postmark.net> wrote:
>
>Given the fact that the 12-mile circuit has two climbs on it, one short and steep and one long
>and gentle, I think Bettini, Basso and Rasmussen, just to name a few, have a better chance than
>Zabel does.
Basso??? He won't win a race that important even if he's going to ride alone. After Bettini, the
other Italians that may stand a chance there are Di Luca, Nardello and Moreni (given that it seems
dumb Ballerini won't be naming Bartoli for the team).
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