Hincapie made a deal with the devil
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no other rider in the history of cycling has had more hype and more support in big races with next
to no results, worlds is just the latest example. He is however a very good water bottle carrier for
Lance, and his bulbus head must provide good wind blockage.
Feel free to comment but show me the results his $1,000,000 warrent. If he was not Lances buddy he
would be riding for Healthnet.
karlwithak wrote:
> no other rider in the history of cycling has had more hype and more support in big races with next
> to no results, worlds is just the latest example. He is however a very good water bottle carrier
> for Lance, and his bulbus head must provide good wind blockage.
>
> Feel free to comment but show me the results his $1,000,000 warrent. If he was not Lances buddy he
> would be riding for Healthnet
Dude, you are a fool and you do not know how to evaluate talent.
If George was not Armstrong's buddy, he would be a bigger star than he is. His watercarrier role is
a huge distraction. He earns every penny.
One thing you are right about. He did make a deal with the devil.
the devil = armstrong
"Nick Burns" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> karlwithak wrote:
> > no other rider in the history of cycling has had more hype and more support in big races with
> > next to no results, worlds is just the latest example. He is however a very good water bottle
> > carrier for Lance, and his bulbus head must provide good wind blockage.
> >
> > Feel free to comment but show me the results his $1,000,000 warrent. If he was not Lances buddy
> > he would be riding for Healthnet
>
>
> Dude, you are a fool and you do not know how to evaluate talent.
>
> If George was not Armstrong's buddy, he would be a bigger star than he is. His watercarrier role
> is a huge distraction. He earns every penny.
>
> One thing you are right about. He did make a deal with the devil.
karlwithak <karlwithak@hotmail.com> wrote:
> no other rider in the history of cycling has had more hype and more support in big races with next
> to no results, worlds is just the latest example. He is however a very good water bottle carrier
> for Lance, and his bulbus head must provide good wind blockage.
Bettini had great support. Freire had great support and Spain had a viable plan B when plan A
didn't work out.
> Feel free to comment but show me the results his $1,000,000 warrent. If he was not Lances buddy he
> would be riding for Healthnet.
I will admit to not being on top of things with respect to rosters, does Healthnet have a single
rider that has completed the Tour?
George is a good rider. He is not a great rider. He gets good support. He does not get great
support. Which is OK because his results don't merit great support.
Bummer for you that he doesn't meet your expectations.
Bob Schwartz cvcc@execpc.com
You gotta admit he has great shoes...
"Bob Schwartz" <cvcc@shell.core.com> wrote in message news:volv8g59jbo9af@corp.supernews.com...
>
> Bummer for you that he doesn't meet your expectations.
Dumbass -
Ya, some of the Freds here don't understand that mass start road racing is mostly about not winning.
swj wrote:
> the devil = armstrong
>
Yes, I thought that was obvious.
George is a good rider, period. Super strong and certainly built for the classics. But he has had
issues with confidence I think, second guessing and definately luck; no one can deny that.
Unfortunately I think George's greatest flaw was his decision to stay with Postal. I can't figure
out how he deludes himself into thinking they support him. He rarely has more than a couple good
guys around him and Lance got all pissy when George didn't win Flanders with his help. Who the hell
needs that?
My advice, tie in Riis or Raas and he'd start winning. I definately think Riis could make him a
champion. Who better than Mr. 60%?
CH
karlwithak@hotmail.com (karlwithak) wrote in message
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> no other rider in the history of cycling has had more hype and more support in big races with next
> to no results, worlds is just the latest example. He is however a very good water bottle carrier
> for Lance, and his bulbus head must provide good wind blockage.
>
> Feel free to comment but show me the results his $1,000,000 warrent. If he was not Lances buddy he
> would be riding for Healthnet.
"chris" <excel_sports@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> George is a good rider, period. Super strong and certainly built for the classics. But he has had
> issues with confidence I think, second guessing and definately luck; no one can deny that.
> Unfortunately I think George's greatest flaw was his decision to stay with Postal. I can't figure
> out how he deludes himself into thinking they support him. He rarely has more than a couple good
> guys around him and Lance got all pissy when George didn't win Flanders with his help. Who the
> hell needs that?
>
> My advice, tie in Riis or Raas and he'd start winning. I definately think Riis could make him a
> champion. Who better than Mr. 60%?
Actually, that is a good call. Now that Bartoli is there, it may not be ideal but considering Riis'
policy of having all of his riders use Cecchini, that could be a great plan for big George.
"karlwithak" <karlwithak@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> no other rider in the history of cycling has had more hype and more support in big races with next
> to no results, worlds is just the latest example. He is however a very good water bottle carrier
> for Lance, and his bulbus head must provide good wind blockage.
>
> Feel free to comment but show me the results his $1,000,000 warrent. If he was not Lances buddy he
> would be riding for Healthnet.
He's made a choice, I disagree with you only on the Healthnet comment. With the right training
program he could be on the podium with more regularity.
In article <dfcfc157.0310131049.1b1103bc@posting.google.com>, karlwithak
<karlwithak@hotmail.com> wrote:
> no other rider in the history of cycling has had more hype and more support in big races with next
> to no results, worlds is just the latest example. He is however a very good water bottle carrier
> for Lance, and his bulbus head must provide good wind blockage.
>
> Feel free to comment but show me the results his $1,000,000 warrent. If he was not Lances buddy he
> would be riding for Healthnet.
Perhaps he likes being part of a Tour-winning team, ala Sean Yates. George does what he can in other
races and then gets great satisfaction in July. That's better than what the other 90% of pros get.
-WG
I wish I were in Big George's shoes. A professional rider with a few great wins.
Who cares about hype. That is the media doing what they do.
Hincapie obviously loves what he is doing or he wouldn't be riding support for Lance and sacrficing
his talents. I think he could be a more winning rider if he had a team supporting him like USPS does
for Lance.
Hincapie will have a good year and everyone here will be praising him on how well he is doing while
talking smack about some other talented rider who has had less than stellar results. Heck, I have
less than stellar results in 2003...talk the smack about me :-)
"Nick Burns" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "chris" <excel_sports@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:a7157f5e.0310131352.410a2a11@posting.google.com...
> > George is a good rider, period. Super strong and certainly built for the classics. But he has
> > had issues with confidence I think, second guessing and definately luck; no one can deny that.
> > Unfortunately I think George's greatest flaw was his decision to stay with Postal. I can't
> > figure out how he deludes himself into thinking they support him. He rarely has more than a
> > couple good guys around him and Lance got all pissy when George didn't win Flanders with his
> > help. Who the hell needs that?
> >
> > My advice, tie in Riis or Raas and he'd start winning. I definately think Riis could make him a
> > champion. Who better than Mr. 60%?
>
> Actually, that is a good call. Now that Bartoli is there, it may not be ideal but considering
> Riis' policy of having all of his riders use Cecchini, that could be a great plan for big George.
Karl with a K hit multiple nails on their respective heads with his first post in this thread.
Incidentally, those of you suggesting that Imelda needs to change his *physical* training aren't
quite understanding his problem. His condition is outstanding - it's his head that needs work. He
literally doesn't know how to win.
Part of the problem is that he is probably paid too much.
-RJ
"Ronaldo Jeremiah" <ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Incidentally, those of you suggesting that Imelda needs to change his *physical* training aren't
> quite understanding his problem. His condition is outstanding - it's his head that needs work. He
> literally doesn't know how to win.
Part of the result you get from dedicated training, even if it changes noting about your physiology
is it gets your head ready to go to war and to fight for the win. If he is cponstantly worried about
peaking in July, that is going to hose his results for the rest of the year. Come on, look at how
many others have made the team each and every year that Lance won (and then some, he made the team
every year since '97 and finished every year since '98). I could go on, but I won't for now. Suffice
it to say that George was doing the right thing in playing the team game, but he should have gotten
more autonamy several years ago. If he could not get it on USPS, he should have left. As of the last
few years, he is the biggest waste of talent in the US. You would think his buddy would want what is
best for him. We all know what the reason is that the team won't allow more than one capo.
>
> Part of the problem is that he is probably paid too much.
>
> -RJ
That is bull****. If you mean he is paid what he is worth to ride as a domestique, then yeah that is
true. He should be paid like that to go for wins.
In article <3f41cdbc.0310131841.60cd89e1@posting.google.com>, ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com (Ronaldo
Jeremiah) wrote:
> Incidentally, those of you suggesting that Imelda needs to change his *physical* training aren't
> quite understanding his problem. His condition is outstanding - it's his head that needs work. He
> literally doesn't know how to win.
I've thought this for a while. He seems tentative so often when it gets down to the end of a
race. Small, nagging doubts about one's ability that the person may not even be aware of can have
profound effects. Someone who has some knowledge of sports psychology might be able to make some
big changes in GH's career. As has been said here, he may be perfectly happy doing what he's
doing (helping in July), but from the interviews I've read, I can't help thinking he'd like to do
more for himself.
--
tanx, Howard
"We've reached a higher spiritual plane, that is so high I can't explain We tell jokes to make you
laugh, we play sports so we don't get fat..." The Dictators
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
"Nick Burns" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ronaldo Jeremiah" <ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > Incidentally, those of you suggesting that Imelda needs to change his *physical* training aren't
> > quite understanding his problem. His condition is outstanding - it's his head that needs work.
> > He literally doesn't know how to win.
<snip>
> Suffice it to say that George was doing the right thing in playing the team game, but he should
> have gotten more autonamy several years ago. If he could not get it on USPS, he should have left.
I think he's just making a smart business decision. If I could get 1M a year splitting my time
between the classics and the tour -- probably at the cost of not living up to my full potential in
the classics -- I'd take that deal rather than bet everything on the one day races.
When something you've devoted your life to training for is only going to pay big until your mid-30's
at the most, you've got to get as much out of it as you can.
- BA
As of the last few years, he is the biggest waste of talent in
> the US. You would think his buddy would want what is best for him. We all know what the reason is
> that the team won't allow more than one capo.
>
> >
> > Part of the problem is that he is probably paid too much.
> >
> > -RJ
>
> That is bull****. If you mean he is paid what he is worth to ride as a domestique, then yeah that
> is true. He should be paid like that to go for wins.
no other rider in the history of cycling has had more hype and more
> support in big races with next to no results, worlds is just the latest example. He is however a
> very good water bottle carrier for Lance, and his bulbus head must provide good wind blockage.
>
> Feel free to comment but show me the results his $1,000,000 warrent. If he was not Lances buddy he
> would be riding for Healthnet.
OK, let's get real here. Which rider is going to have an easier time getting away on a break (or a
steep climb, for that matter)-
A guy that weighs 132 lbs (looks like less) and is 5'6, or... (Bettini) A guy that weighs 170 lbs
(looks like more) and is 6'3? (Hincapie)
Can you imagine what it must be like to draft behind George Hincapie? You can probably feel the
effect 30 feet away! It's like drafting a huge semi. If you can find somebody that big and that
strong, not to mention reliable... that's just got to be worth something. And, at the same time, his
size must work against him in terms of his own success.
Having said that, I'm also frequently in disbelief when I see how far George gets up many of the
nasty climbs, setting tempo, before he blows.
Sure, it would be great to see him win a classic or two. But the more I think about it, looking at
his size, I have to wonder... how? Even a century-riding Fred would see somebody like George
motoring along on the flats and recognize that as an ideal wheel to jump onto!
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com (http://www.chainreactionbicycles.com/)
"karlwithak" <karlwithak@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> no other rider in the history of cycling has had more hype and more support in big races with next
> to no results, worlds is just the latest example. He is however a very good water bottle carrier
> for Lance, and his bulbus head must provide good wind blockage.
>
> Feel free to comment but show me the results his $1,000,000 warrent. If he was not Lances buddy he
> would be riding for Healthnet.
<< A guy that weighs 170 lbs (looks like more) and is 6'3? (Hincapie)
>><BR><BR>
Andrea Tafi and Johan Museeuw are both as big as George.
DanSchmatz wrote:
> << A guy that weighs 170 lbs (looks like more) and is 6'3? (Hincapie)
>>> <BR><BR>
>
>
> Andrea Tafi and Johan Museeuw are both as big as George.
Lots of dudes are. I did not know Museeuw is that tall though. Add Cipo (trying to think of big
winners) Millar? Indurain at 6'2"
etc.
The Black Adder wrote:
>
> When something you've devoted your life to training for is only going to pay big until your
> mid-30's at the most, you've got to get as much out of it as you can.
i don't think this is true. it may be desirable, but it's not necessary. it's still a choice.
heather
"PaulO" <aerea51@netzero.com> wrote in message
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> I wish I were in Big George's shoes.
You sure about that?
-RJ
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