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How hot is hot?
I ran the Long Beach marathon yesterday. More like, I sweated the Long Beach marathon yesterday. It
was 71 when the gun sounded and in the 80's by noon. Seemed awfully hot to be doing a marathon. How
much does heat like that affect performance? Personally, I was fine until about mile 17. At that
point the course turned onto a wide, light concrete highway with out a trace of shade. It seemed
like running in an oven. There was at least one person prostrate on the cement and the paramedics
were out in force.
I don't know why they don't wait until November to have this marathon. It was hot last year as well,
though not this hot. Two years ago, it was postponed until November and the temperatures were much,
much cooler.
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"Charlie Schwartz" <cschwartzNOSPAMMING@iasinfo.com> wrote in message
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> I ran the Long Beach marathon yesterday. More like, I sweated the Long Beach marathon yesterday.
> It was 71 when the gun sounded and in the 80's by noon. Seemed awfully hot to be doing a marathon.
> How much does heat like that affect performance? Personally, I was fine until about mile 17. At
> that point the course turned onto a wide, light concrete highway with out a trace of shade. It
> seemed like running in an oven. There was at least one person prostrate on the cement and the
> paramedics were out in force.
>
> I don't know why they don't wait until November to have this marathon. It was hot last year as
> well, though not this hot. Two years ago, it was postponed until November and the temperatures
> were much, much cooler.
>
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> Charlie Schwartz
OK, it was hot. We get it. Now, did you have anything relevant or meaningful to add? Chafed nipples?
Black hooves?
In terms of absolute performance, it is reached approximately 45-55F. Some people deal with temps
better, but 70+ is brutal for most in a marathon. Andy Hass
charles i like running in the heat / my bro race in middle east @ 121 degrees / i can go 106 at 33
miles with water plodzilla from texas
Charlie Schwartz wrote:
>
> I ran the Long Beach marathon yesterday. More like, I sweated the Long Beach marathon yesterday.
> It was 71 when the gun sounded and in the 80's by noon. Seemed awfully hot to be doing a marathon.
> How much does heat like that affect performance? Personally, I was fine until about mile 17. At
> that point the course turned onto a wide, light concrete highway with out a trace of shade. It
> seemed like running in an oven. There was at least one person prostrate on the cement and the
> paramedics were out in force.
>
> I don't know why they don't wait until November to have this marathon. It was hot last year as
> well, though not this hot. Two years ago, it was postponed until November and the temperatures
> were much, much cooler.
>
> --
> ___________________________
>
> Charlie Schwartz
Charlie Schwartz wrote:
It seemed like running in an oven.
> There was at least one person prostrate on the cement and the paramedics were out in force.
>
Just think about the Badwater folks - 135 mi through Death Valley on hot pavement. I think air
temperatures reach 120F with asphalt temperatures being a little higher. Judging from race reports,
*many* ultras are run in 80+F - even in Alaska.
Actually, there are ways to heat train that those people use.
Dot
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ahass@dontspamumich.edu wrote:
> In terms of absolute performance, it is reached approximately 45-55F. Some people deal with
> temps better, but 70+ is brutal for most in a marathon.
Try running all day in a 100 mile race with temps of high 80's and humidity to match. And then
there's Badwater 135 mile race that will test even those that love the heat.
If nothing else I have solid understanding of carbs and electrolytes at least as they relate to me.
I only wish I had that knowledge when I ran my early road marathons. One of my last marathons was
Burlington when the temps went into the 90's. I had my salt caps and managed to maintain 8 minute
miles while the medical tent had wall to wall bodies. If it wasn't for this experience I'm not sure
if I would have finished sans an IV.
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Doug Freese dfreeseS@NOBShvc.rr.com
Doug Freese <dfreese@NOBShvc.rr.com> wrote:
>And then there's Badwater 135 mile race that will test even those that love the heat.
And even those can come a serious cropper. See the colleague from work/the club who did it this year
and had 42°C body temp (yes you're reading it right) after less than 20k of the race, due to
vomiting (thanx ice cold coke amongst other factors).
This guy has finished the Spartathlon, Sand Marathons and heaven knows what else and he HATES
everything except blistering heat, but got himself into a life-threating state in the 50°C+ temps of
Badwater race. http://www.badwaterultra.com/2003web/entrants/vozel.html
"Charlie Schwartz" <cschwartzNOSPAMMING@iasinfo.com> wrote:
>I ran the Long Beach marathon yesterday. More like, I sweated the Long Beach marathon yesterday. It
>was 71 when the gun sounded and in the 80's by noon. Seemed awfully hot to be doing a marathon. How
>much does heat like that affect performance?
Galloway gives some approximate values he's observed - in Gallows(sic) Book on Running
Temp at arrival reduction in speed 12°5-15°5 C 1% 15°5-18° C 3% 18°-21° C 5% 21-24°C 7% 24-26°5 C
12% 26°5-29°5 20% above 29°C don't even think about it
Clearly the man is not from the mediterranean basin, where you get nothing below 30 for a decent
part of the year :->
FWIW The temps this July when I did the 240k stage race were up to 42°C in the shade, in the
late afternoon
Doug Freese <dfreese@NOBShvc.rr.com> wrote:
> Try running all day in a 100 mile race with temps of high 80's and humidity to match. And then
> there's Badwater 135 mile race that will test even those that love the heat.
Before taking up running, I "walked" 70 miles with it up in the 90's during the day.
It's in quotes, because on this or any long walk it's necessary to do much of it by running in
order to rest from walking. I've never gone more than 30 miles without having to start running at
some point.
steve common <steven.common@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> Galloway gives some approximate values he's observed - in Gallows(sic) Book on Running Temp at
> arrival reduction in speed 12°5-15°5 C 1% 15°5-18° C 3% 18°-21° C 5% 21-24°C 7% 24-26°5 C 12%
> 26°5-29°5 20% above 29°C don't even think about it
Generally, my fastest times have occurred around 70°F (> 20°C), and for shorter distances optimum is
around 95-100°F (35°C), or probably higher.
I can barely even run under 15°C anymore, and have never been able to go fast when it's that cold
without serious problems breathing. This also complicates indoor running (except in the summer where
there's no air conditioning), since most places like to keep the temperature down in the 70's or so.
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