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What kind of $$'s is Graham Watson worth??
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Jiyang Chen
Legend? Definitely not. best bike racing photographer? maybe.
Mike Jacoubowsk
> Legend? Definitely not. best bike racing photographer? maybe.
I'll go out on a limb and say that Graham Watson *is* a living legend. Having heard him speak, and
seen hundreds if not thousands of his photos, I would maintain that he's essentially written the
book on modern-day professional cycling in Europe. He doesn't just take photos; he understands all
the subtle nuances behind them. Hearing him speak at Stanford some years ago with Greg LeMond, you
couldn't help but be in awe. Any given photo and he knew exactly where it was taken, who the riders
were either chasing down of were being chased by, their place in the GC, motivations... everything.
Not just pretty photos.
The guy is incredible.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com (http://www.chainreactionbicycles.com/)
I'll go out on a limb and say that Graham Watson *is* a living legend. Having heard him speak, and
seen hundreds if not thousands of his photos, I would maintain that he's essentially written the
book on modern-day professional cycling in Europe. He doesn't just take photos; he understands all
the subtle nuances behind them. Hearing him speak at Stanford some years ago with Greg LeMond, you
couldn't help but be in awe. Any given photo and he knew exactly where it was taken, who the riders
were either chasing down of were being chased by, their place in the GC, motivations... everything.
Not just pretty photos.
The guy is incredible.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com (http://www.chainreactionbicycles.com/)
Nick Burns
"Jiyang Chen" <Jiyangc@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bmfucn$t7@dispatch.concentric.net...
> Legend? Definitely not. best bike racing photographer? maybe.
Dude, just because you don't know does not make it so. The guy has been a legend since before you
saw your first bike race. He has been at the top of the sports best photographers for over 25 years.
Name another that has half the collection and experience that he has.
> Legend? Definitely not. best bike racing photographer? maybe.
Dude, just because you don't know does not make it so. The guy has been a legend since before you
saw your first bike race. He has been at the top of the sports best photographers for over 25 years.
Name another that has half the collection and experience that he has.
Fred Marx
Nick Burns wrote:
> "Jiyang Chen" <Jiyangc@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bmfucn$t7@dispatch.concentric.net...
>
>>Legend? Definitely not. best bike racing photographer? maybe.
>
>
> Dude, just because you don't know does not make it so. The guy has been a legend since before you
> saw your first bike race. He has been at the top of the sports best photographers for over 25
> years. Name another that has half the collection and experience that he has.
>
>
not to mention a guy that the peloton trusts to be there and not be a hazard like the TDF TV moto
this year. Always in the right place at the right time and an outstanding eye for composition, all
while seated (mostly) backwards on a race moto. Grab the current cycle sport and check out the
opening phots. His San Sebastion spread is a classic.
> "Jiyang Chen" <Jiyangc@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bmfucn$t7@dispatch.concentric.net...
>
>>Legend? Definitely not. best bike racing photographer? maybe.
>
>
> Dude, just because you don't know does not make it so. The guy has been a legend since before you
> saw your first bike race. He has been at the top of the sports best photographers for over 25
> years. Name another that has half the collection and experience that he has.
>
>
not to mention a guy that the peloton trusts to be there and not be a hazard like the TDF TV moto
this year. Always in the right place at the right time and an outstanding eye for composition, all
while seated (mostly) backwards on a race moto. Grab the current cycle sport and check out the
opening phots. His San Sebastion spread is a classic.
Kurgan Gringion
"Nick Burns" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Jiyang Chen" <Jiyangc@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bmfucn$t7@dispatch.concentric.net...
> > Legend? Definitely not. best bike racing photographer? maybe.
>
> Dude, just because you don't know does not make it so. The guy has been a legend since before you
> saw your first bike race. He has been at the top of the sports best photographers for over 25
> years. Name another that has half the collection and experience that he has.
Dumbass -
'Legend' is a completely subjective term.
For instance, one could say that Tom Kunich is a legend (snicker).
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> "Jiyang Chen" <Jiyangc@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bmfucn$t7@dispatch.concentric.net...
> > Legend? Definitely not. best bike racing photographer? maybe.
>
> Dude, just because you don't know does not make it so. The guy has been a legend since before you
> saw your first bike race. He has been at the top of the sports best photographers for over 25
> years. Name another that has half the collection and experience that he has.
Dumbass -
'Legend' is a completely subjective term.
For instance, one could say that Tom Kunich is a legend (snicker).
Bruce Johnston
"Jiyang Chen" <Jiyangc@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bmfucn$t7@dispatch.concentric.net...
> Legend? Definitely not. best bike racing photographer? maybe.
>
>
Some of Graham Watson Photos could be Pulitzer Prize material, like the Kent state girl standing
over the dead college student or the Vietnam airman who was greeted by his family. I mean some of
his stuff is actually that good. The riders respect him more too when he takes shots like when they
abandon or sometimes even crashes. From what I have heard a lot of riders can recognize him and they
know that any given photo could become a huge photo or perhaps even historic, at least in the
cycling annuls of history, if not some day Pulitzer Prize. I couldn't find him in their database but
I am sure he has other honorary recognitions and titles.
B-
> Legend? Definitely not. best bike racing photographer? maybe.
>
>
Some of Graham Watson Photos could be Pulitzer Prize material, like the Kent state girl standing
over the dead college student or the Vietnam airman who was greeted by his family. I mean some of
his stuff is actually that good. The riders respect him more too when he takes shots like when they
abandon or sometimes even crashes. From what I have heard a lot of riders can recognize him and they
know that any given photo could become a huge photo or perhaps even historic, at least in the
cycling annuls of history, if not some day Pulitzer Prize. I couldn't find him in their database but
I am sure he has other honorary recognitions and titles.
B-
Ewoud Dronkert
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:37:01 -0700, Nick Burns wrote:
> Name another that has half the collection and experience that he has.
How about someone with at least equal amounts of both?
> Name another that has half the collection and experience that he has.
How about someone with at least equal amounts of both?
John Forrest To
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:18:16 -0700, "Bruce Johnston" <riposa@sti.net> wrote:
>From what I have heard a lot of riders can recognize him and they know that any given photo could
>become a huge photo
Who did you hear this from?
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>From what I have heard a lot of riders can recognize him and they know that any given photo could
>become a huge photo
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On 10/13/2003 10:53 PM, in article
ViLib.375$sb1.184@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> Legend? Definitely not. best bike racing photographer? maybe.
>
> I'll go out on a limb and say that Graham Watson *is* a living legend. Having heard him speak, and
> seen hundreds if not thousands of his photos, I would maintain that he's essentially written the
> book on modern-day professional cycling in Europe. He doesn't just take photos; he understands all
> the subtle nuances behind them. Hearing him speak at Stanford some years ago with Greg LeMond, you
> couldn't help but be in awe. Any given photo and he knew exactly where it was taken, who the
> riders were either chasing down of were being chased by, their place in the GC, motivations...
> everything. Not just pretty photos.
On the other hand, his photos are getting kind of stale ... Do we really need to see a field of
sunflowers each and every year????
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ViLib.375$sb1.184@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> Legend? Definitely not. best bike racing photographer? maybe.
>
> I'll go out on a limb and say that Graham Watson *is* a living legend. Having heard him speak, and
> seen hundreds if not thousands of his photos, I would maintain that he's essentially written the
> book on modern-day professional cycling in Europe. He doesn't just take photos; he understands all
> the subtle nuances behind them. Hearing him speak at Stanford some years ago with Greg LeMond, you
> couldn't help but be in awe. Any given photo and he knew exactly where it was taken, who the
> riders were either chasing down of were being chased by, their place in the GC, motivations...
> everything. Not just pretty photos.
On the other hand, his photos are getting kind of stale ... Do we really need to see a field of
sunflowers each and every year????
--
Steven L. Sheffield stevens at veloworks dot com veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net bellum
pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea aye tee why you ti
ay aitch aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you double-yew double-ewe
dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash
Nick Burns
Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> "Nick Burns" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Jiyang Chen" <Jiyangc@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bmfucn$t7@dispatch.concentric.net...
>>> Legend? Definitely not. best bike racing photographer? maybe.
>>
>> Dude, just because you don't know does not make it so. The guy has been a legend since before you
>> saw your first bike race. He has been at the top of the sports best photographers for over 25
>> years. Name another that has half the collection and experience that he has.
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
>
>
> 'Legend' is a completely subjective term.
>
>
>
> For instance, one could say that Tom Kunich is a legend (snicker).
Well, yeah.
> "Nick Burns" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3f8b8ba0$0$26351$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com...
>>
>> "Jiyang Chen" <Jiyangc@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bmfucn$t7@dispatch.concentric.net...
>>> Legend? Definitely not. best bike racing photographer? maybe.
>>
>> Dude, just because you don't know does not make it so. The guy has been a legend since before you
>> saw your first bike race. He has been at the top of the sports best photographers for over 25
>> years. Name another that has half the collection and experience that he has.
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
>
>
> 'Legend' is a completely subjective term.
>
>
>
> For instance, one could say that Tom Kunich is a legend (snicker).
Well, yeah.
Nick Burns
Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:37:01 -0700, Nick Burns wrote:
>> Name another that has half the collection and experience that he has.
>
> How about someone with at least equal amounts of both?
I know there are a few Euro based guys that are as good, and I don't know any of them well
enough to say.
Go for it.
> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:37:01 -0700, Nick Burns wrote:
>> Name another that has half the collection and experience that he has.
>
> How about someone with at least equal amounts of both?
I know there are a few Euro based guys that are as good, and I don't know any of them well
enough to say.
Go for it.
B. Lafferty
"Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com> wrote in message
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> On 10/13/2003 10:53 PM, in article
> ViLib.375$sb1.184@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> On the other hand, his photos are getting kind of stale ... Do we really need to see a field of
> sunflowers each and every year????
I think it's his style which has changed little over the years. You either like it or not. IMO,
Sergio Pinazzi and Sirotti are better. I think they capture an emotional edge in the riders that
Watson misses more often than not. That said, I do enjoy Watson's work, particularly from the
80s and early 90s.
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> On 10/13/2003 10:53 PM, in article
> ViLib.375$sb1.184@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> On the other hand, his photos are getting kind of stale ... Do we really need to see a field of
> sunflowers each and every year????
I think it's his style which has changed little over the years. You either like it or not. IMO,
Sergio Pinazzi and Sirotti are better. I think they capture an emotional edge in the riders that
Watson misses more often than not. That said, I do enjoy Watson's work, particularly from the
80s and early 90s.
Carl Sundquist
"Nick Burns" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:37:01 -0700, Nick Burns wrote:
> >> Name another that has half the collection and experience that he has.
> >
> > How about someone with at least equal amounts of both?
>
> I know there are a few Euro based guys that are as good, and I don't know any of them well
> enough to say.
>
> Go for it.
>
>
Cor Vos
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> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> > On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:37:01 -0700, Nick Burns wrote:
> >> Name another that has half the collection and experience that he has.
> >
> > How about someone with at least equal amounts of both?
>
> I know there are a few Euro based guys that are as good, and I don't know any of them well
> enough to say.
>
> Go for it.
>
>
Cor Vos
Ewoud Dronkert
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:26:27 -0500, Carl Sundquist wrote:
> Cor Vos
Bingo.
> Cor Vos
Bingo.
B. Lafferty
"Ewoud Dronkert" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:26:27 -0500, Carl Sundquist wrote:
> > Cor Vos
>
> Bingo.
Amen. How did I forget him? If you've been to his web site, he has a totally different marketing
approach from Watson. He seems non-inclined to get involved in retail.
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> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 07:26:27 -0500, Carl Sundquist wrote:
> > Cor Vos
>
> Bingo.
Amen. How did I forget him? If you've been to his web site, he has a totally different marketing
approach from Watson. He seems non-inclined to get involved in retail.
Kaiser
To actually answer your original question, I imagine that he probably makes decent money, but not
fantastic money. Bike racing mags have historically paid very little for photos (even his). I don't
think he works for a press agency, and how many of you have actually PURCHASED a photo or poster off
his website?
It all boils down to how equitable bike racing photos are, even good ones.
My guess? Definitely under $200k per year, in his peak.
"SM" <sm@omega.com> wrote in message news:<3f8b5fa5$0$23614$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au>...
> Anyone got any idea what kind of a living this legend has made out of cycling?
fantastic money. Bike racing mags have historically paid very little for photos (even his). I don't
think he works for a press agency, and how many of you have actually PURCHASED a photo or poster off
his website?
It all boils down to how equitable bike racing photos are, even good ones.
My guess? Definitely under $200k per year, in his peak.
"SM" <sm@omega.com> wrote in message news:<3f8b5fa5$0$23614$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au>...
> Anyone got any idea what kind of a living this legend has made out of cycling?
Bruce Johnston
"John Forrest Tomlinson" <2001@jt10000removethesewords.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:18:16 -0700, "Bruce Johnston" <riposa@sti.net> wrote:
>
>
> >From what I have heard a lot of riders can recognize him and they know that any given photo could
> >become a huge photo
>
> Who did you hear this from?
A cycling film in which there was a piece done on Watson.
>
> JT
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> On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:18:16 -0700, "Bruce Johnston" <riposa@sti.net> wrote:
>
>
> >From what I have heard a lot of riders can recognize him and they know that any given photo could
> >become a huge photo
>
> Who did you hear this from?
A cycling film in which there was a piece done on Watson.
>
> JT
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Fred Marx
kaiser wrote:
> To actually answer your original question, I imagine that he probably makes decent money, but not
> fantastic money. Bike racing mags have historically paid very little for photos (even his). I
> don't think he works for a press agency,
he is however the staff photog for cycle sport.
and how many of you have actually PURCHASED
> a photo or poster off his website?
>
> It all boils down to how equitable bike racing photos are, even good ones.
>
> My guess? Definitely under $200k per year, in his peak.
>
> "SM" <sm@omega.com> wrote in message news:<3f8b5fa5$0$23614$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au>...
>
>>Anyone got any idea what kind of a living this legend has made out of cycling?
> To actually answer your original question, I imagine that he probably makes decent money, but not
> fantastic money. Bike racing mags have historically paid very little for photos (even his). I
> don't think he works for a press agency,
he is however the staff photog for cycle sport.
and how many of you have actually PURCHASED
> a photo or poster off his website?
>
> It all boils down to how equitable bike racing photos are, even good ones.
>
> My guess? Definitely under $200k per year, in his peak.
>
> "SM" <sm@omega.com> wrote in message news:<3f8b5fa5$0$23614$5a62ac22@freenews.iinet.net.au>...
>
>>Anyone got any idea what kind of a living this legend has made out of cycling?
Nick Burns
SM wrote:
> Anyone got any idea what kind of a living this legend has made out of cycling?
What kind of question is this anyway? What is he worth to you?
> Anyone got any idea what kind of a living this legend has made out of cycling?
What kind of question is this anyway? What is he worth to you?
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