View Full Version : Please your opinion on the centrifugal training track?
I hav'n had one reply on my message. Have you seen my site It's very revolutionary. It's the first
time in the world that is using in Italy the hypergravity in the run. Image to run in another planet
with the gravity acceleration greatest of our gravity. Image the rapidity of the moviment and the
great running power. Please i am waiting your reply Two University in Italy are studing the training
method. At soon ing. Giuseppe Scuderi scuderig@inwind.it
http://www.pistacentrifuga.com/eng_new/index_e.htm http://www.iaaf.org/links/kind=29/index.html
What RU stupid? First off we don't care, secondly if we did we wouldn't reply just to piss you off.
How much is that huge piece of crap? What a gimmick.
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:07:49 +0200, "Giuseppe Scuderi" <scuderig@inwind.it> wrote:
>I hav'n had one reply on my message. Have you seen my site It's very revolutionary. It's the first
>time in the world that is using in Italy the hypergravity in the run. Image to run in another
>planet with the gravity acceleration greatest of our gravity. Image the rapidity of the moviment
>and the great running power. Please i am waiting your reply Two University in Italy are studing the
>training method. At soon ing. Giuseppe Scuderi scuderig@inwind.it
>
>http://www.pistacentrifuga.com/eng_new/index_e.htm http://www.iaaf.org/links/kind=29/index.html
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:07:49 +0200, "Giuseppe Scuderi" <scuderig@inwind.it> wrote:
>Two University in Italy are studing the training method.
Does "studing" mean they're reproducing?
OK, you asked for it. I took one look and laughed my ass off. Is this a joke? You gotta be
kidding me.
Looks like some crap you see in the circus that monkeys on bicycles ride around in circles
inside of.
What would you say?....95%+ time distance runners are running we're in an upright position w/body
balanced/symetrical going with their force/energy going straight...and this gizmo does not all all
seem to strike to me as a device to allow runners to train in line with real world running.
Furthermore....many of us are road runners around here and I think I can speak for all of us in
saying we HATE curvature of the street in running on roads....and when you run on the road adjacent
to the gutter....that's generally the most curved section of the road. We like our feet to strike
flat ground over banked/angle surface (again while running straight ahead). Yes, you can always
reverse your direction and balance out the imbalance in leg build up/strength/fatigue wear and
tear....but it's not the same as level earth.
Lastly...what is this a "solution for"? I hate T-mills, never use them....however...I would use a
very sharp/sophisticated T-Mill over this gizmo.
I say, "back to the drawing board my friend"...sorry....you asked....I just don't think it's a
solution to any problem, there are alternatives, it does not relfect real world running and has some
downsides (uneven striking surface). And yes, I run distance and sprint....and would not consider
this for 400m (2 turns on a track) training...
Andrew...
Andrew <globaldisc@aol.com> wrote:
>I say, "back to the drawing board my friend"...sorry....you asked....I just don't think it's a
>solution to any problem, there are alternatives, it does not relfect real world running and has
>some downsides (uneven striking surface).
>
>And yes, I run distance and sprint....and would not consider this for 400m (2 turns on a track)
>training...
>
>Andrew
I can think of a use:
Medical Schools
The purpose is the creation of actual Runner's Knee and ITB Syndrome cases for the students to
operate on. With the optional addition of a superhard mondo running surface (for the creation of
stress fractures), you'd have the ultimate running injury generation system.
With tongue firmly planted in cheek,
Lyndon "Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!" --US Olympic Track Coach Brooks Johnson
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:07:49 +0200, Giuseppe Scuderi wrote:
>
ROTFLMAO. Giuseppe, Giuseppe. You are persistent. Is this the same device that you advocated in
r.r in 1998, 1999, and last year? The responses are certainly similar. While I do appreciate
the diversion and the somewhat surreal deja vu, it seems that even the new r.rers aren't too
taken with it.
Hmm, are you in the northwest? The Barolos and Barberas have just been released here in the USA and
they truly rock. Had a nice Barbera the other day before a 10 miler and it was kickin'. Very
runnable. More complex than say a Calfornian Arcadian Pinot Noir but just as runnable. Nice burps
around mile 6. If you are in the northwest, I am almost as envious of your locale as I am of Steve
Common's (who is going to get a surprise visit one of these days).
See you next year!!! Layne
-------------------------------------------------------
The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running
In the centrifugal track you run othogonal to the surface. If you run ortogonal you run simmetrical
Do you understand. Are stupid Two University. Study the scientific principle. Read well my web page.
No curvature in my track, becouse the track is correcly inclined. ing. Giuseppe Scuderi
"Globaldisc" <globaldisc@aol.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:20031019150238.17326.00001417@mb-m16.aol.com...
>
>
> OK, you asked for it. I took one look and laughed my ass off. Is this a
joke?
> You gotta be kidding me.
>
> Looks like some crap you see in the circus that monkeys on bicycles ride
around
> in circles inside of.
>
> What would you say?....95%+ time distance runners are running we're in an upright position w/body
> balanced/symetrical going with their force/energy
going
> straight...and this gizmo does not all all seem to strike to me as a
device to
> allow runners to train in line with real world running.
>
> Furthermore....many of us are road runners around here and I think I can
speak
> for all of us in saying we HATE curvature of the street in running on roads....and when you run on
> the road adjacent to the gutter....that's generally the most curved section of the road. We like
> our feet to
strike
> flat ground over banked/angle surface (again while running straight
ahead).
> Yes, you can always reverse your direction and balance out the imbalance
in leg
> build up/strength/fatigue wear and tear....but it's not the same as level earth.
>
> Lastly...what is this a "solution for"? I hate T-mills, never use them....however...I would use a
> very sharp/sophisticated T-Mill over this gizmo.
>
> I say, "back to the drawing board my friend"...sorry....you asked....I
just
> don't think it's a solution to any problem, there are alternatives, it
does not
> relfect real world running and has some downsides (uneven striking
surface).
> And yes, I run distance and sprint....and would not consider this for 400m
(2
> turns on a track) training...
>
> Andrew...
In article <bn0jpo$685$1@lacerta.tiscalinet.it>, Giuseppe Scuderi wrote:
> In the centrifugal track you run othogonal to the surface. If you run ortogonal you run
> simmetrical Do you understand.
Yes. The emphasis is on the "if".
> Are stupid Two University. Study the scientific principle. Read well my web page. No curvature in
> my track, becouse the track is correcly inclined. ing. Giuseppe Scuderi
Here's an issue about the "scientific principle": sure, you can adjust the incline so that the
acceleration vector is roughly orthogonal to the track. But you have higher impact to content with
(because of the high gravity effect of combining lateral acceleration with gravity), and worse, you
had better keep a *perfectly* uniform pace, because your knees are *not* going to like it very much
if there is an acceleration component orthogonal to the track.
Now tell us what happens if these deviations from orthogonality accumulate over time ? Guess what,
you have a chronic source of lateral stress on the knees. And what does "the scientific principle"
say about chronic lateral stress on the knee joint ?
Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
The Centrifugal Training Track or Hypergravity Training is used to increase the power in the run.
You must run for 3 max 10 turns and after 2 minutes, other 3 max 10 turns. You must run 6 max 33
sec. In a day only 20 max 40 turns. In a week only twice. You think it's a problem for the athletes.
We haven't had iniures. It's more drammatic to run in the normal track. In the normal track, in
curve you dont' run orthogonal to the surface. In a year it's used only in the spring, in the winter
and in the fall. It's very strong to run with the max human power in the run. Saber the italian
recordman in the 400 metres indoor uses the centrifugal track. Do you think: " he is stupid"? No.
ing. Giuseppe Scuderi
"Donovan Rebbechi" <abuse@aol.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:slrnbp7m1r.fv8.abuse@panix2.panix.com...
> In article <bn0jpo$685$1@lacerta.tiscalinet.it>, Giuseppe Scuderi wrote:
> > In the centrifugal track you run othogonal to the surface. If you run ortogonal you run
> > simmetrical Do you understand.
>
> Yes. The emphasis is on the "if".
>
> > Are stupid Two University. Study the scientific principle. Read well my web page. No curvature
> > in my track, becouse the track is correcly inclined. ing. Giuseppe Scuderi
>
> Here's an issue about the "scientific principle": sure, you can adjust the incline so that the
> acceleration vector is roughly orthogonal to the track. But you have higher impact to content with
> (because of the high gravity effect of combining lateral acceleration with gravity), and worse,
> you had better keep a *perfectly* uniform pace, because your knees are *not* going to like it very
> much if there is an acceleration component orthogonal to the track.
>
> Now tell us what happens if these deviations from orthogonality accumulate over time ? Guess what,
> you have a chronic source of lateral stress on the knees. And what does "the scientific principle"
> say about chronic lateral stress on the knee joint ?
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
What a maroon. You'd think if he went to school there he'd learn to spell.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:19:37 +0200, "Giuseppe Scuderi" <scuderig@inwind.it> wrote:
>In the centrifugal track you run othogonal to the surface. If you run ortogonal you run simmetrical
>Do you understand. Are stupid Two University. Study the scientific principle. Read well my web
>page. No curvature in my track, becouse the track is correcly inclined. ing. Giuseppe Scuderi
>
>"Globaldisc" <globaldisc@aol.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
>news:20031019150238.17326.00001417@mb-m16.aol.com...
>>
>>
>> OK, you asked for it. I took one look and laughed my ass off. Is this a
>joke?
>> You gotta be kidding me.
>>
>> Looks like some crap you see in the circus that monkeys on bicycles ride
>around
>> in circles inside of.
>>
>> What would you say?....95%+ time distance runners are running we're in an upright position w/body
>> balanced/symetrical going with their force/energy
>going
>> straight...and this gizmo does not all all seem to strike to me as a
>device to
>> allow runners to train in line with real world running.
>>
>> Furthermore....many of us are road runners around here and I think I can
>speak
>> for all of us in saying we HATE curvature of the street in running on roads....and when you run
>> on the road adjacent to the gutter....that's generally the most curved section of the road. We
>> like our feet to
>strike
>> flat ground over banked/angle surface (again while running straight
>ahead).
>> Yes, you can always reverse your direction and balance out the imbalance
>in leg
>> build up/strength/fatigue wear and tear....but it's not the same as level earth.
>>
>> Lastly...what is this a "solution for"? I hate T-mills, never use them....however...I would use a
>> very sharp/sophisticated T-Mill over this gizmo.
>>
>> I say, "back to the drawing board my friend"...sorry....you asked....I
>just
>> don't think it's a solution to any problem, there are alternatives, it
>does not
>> relfect real world running and has some downsides (uneven striking
>surface).
>> And yes, I run distance and sprint....and would not consider this for 400m
>(2
>> turns on a track) training...
>>
>> Andrew...
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:38:57 +0200, "Giuseppe Scuderi" <scuderig@inwind.it> wrote:
>Do you think: " he is stupid"? No. ing. Giuseppe Scuderi
No, but SOMEONE around here certainly has a case of the stupids...
You don't understand the utility. You must speak with your coach. He can understand better. Have a
good day. You are not stupid. You don't understand. ing. Giuseppe Scuderi Italy
<Wildlife@omit.com> ha scritto nel messaggio news:ork5pvsv8mudnusc9qnaq667qh8vtrkpk4@4ax.com...
> What RU stupid? First off we don't care, secondly if we did we wouldn't reply just to piss you
> off. How much is that huge piece of crap? What a gimmick.
>
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:07:49 +0200, "Giuseppe Scuderi" <scuderig@inwind.it> wrote:
>
> >I hav'n had one reply on my message. Have you seen my site It's very revolutionary. It's the
> >first time in the world that is using in Italy the hypergravity
in
> >the run. Image to run in another planet with the gravity acceleration greatest of
our
> >gravity. Image the rapidity of the moviment and the great running power. Please i am waiting your
> >reply Two University in Italy are studing the training method. At soon ing. Giuseppe Scuderi
> >scuderig@inwind.it
> >
> >http://www.pistacentrifuga.com/eng_new/index_e.htm http://www.iaaf.org/links/kind=29/index.html
Why? I don't understand "www" <www@wombat.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:8vk5pvo8flbacp65sh2i24i6qs03fm8usa@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:07:49 +0200, "Giuseppe Scuderi" <scuderig@inwind.it> wrote:
>
>
> >Two University in Italy are studing the training method.
>
> Does "studing" mean they're reproducing?
I have seen that many people are answering to me. The ploblem is very interesting.
<User12@Nashu.net> ha scritto nel messaggio news:5908pvsrh6l2384itu5ih1dcr8oivkmocb@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:38:57 +0200, "Giuseppe Scuderi" <scuderig@inwind.it> wrote:
>
>
> >Do you think: " he is stupid"? No. ing. Giuseppe Scuderi
>
> No, but SOMEONE around here certainly has a case of the stupids...
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:34:18 -0400 (EDT), "Layne Wallace" <lwallace@unf.edu> wrote:
>On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:07:49 +0200, Giuseppe Scuderi wrote:
>
>>
>ROTFLMAO. Giuseppe, Giuseppe. You are persistent. Is this the same device that you advocated in
>r.r in 1998, 1999, and last year? The responses are certainly similar. While I do appreciate
>the diversion and the somewhat surreal deja vu, it seems that even the new r.rers aren't too
>taken with it.
>
>Hmm, are you in the northwest? The Barolos and Barberas have just been released here in the USA and
>they truly rock. Had a nice Barbera the other day before a 10 miler and it was kickin'. Very
>runnable. More complex than say a Calfornian Arcadian Pinot Noir but just as runnable. Nice burps
>around mile 6. If you are in the northwest, I am almost as envious of your locale as I am of Steve
>Common's (who is going to get a surprise visit one of these days).
>
>See you next year!!! Layne
Has it been a year? Seems like only yesterday....
~Matt
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>The rec.running report archives may be found at http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:33:50 +0200, "Giuseppe Scuderi" <scuderig@inwind.it> wrote:
>You don't understand the utility.
No, but I understand the futility.
>You must speak with your coach.
I call mine "the little soldier" but if "coach" works for you, go for
it.
>He can understand better.
He speaks stupid?
>Have a good day.
I am.
>You are not stupid.
I know, you are.
>You don't understand. ing.
Yes, I don't understanding.
>Fr Guido Sarducci Scuderi Italy
>
><Wildlife@omit.com> ha scritto nel messaggio news:ork5pvsv8mudnusc9qnaq667qh8vtrkpk4@4ax.com...
>> What RU stupid? First off we don't care, secondly if we did we wouldn't reply just to piss you
>> off. How much is that huge piece of crap? What a gimmick.
>>
>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:07:49 +0200, "Giuseppe Scuderi" <scuderig@inwind.it> wrote:
>>
>> >I hav'n had one reply on my message. Have you seen my site It's very revolutionary. It's the
>> >first time in the world that is using in Italy the hypergravity
>in
>> >the run. Image to run in another planet with the gravity acceleration greatest of
>our
>> >gravity. Image the rapidity of the moviment and the great running power. Please i am waiting
>> >your reply Two University in Italy are studing the training method. At soon ing. Giuseppe
>> >Scuderi scuderig@inwind.it
>> >
>> >http://www.pistacentrifuga.com/eng_new/index_e.htm http://www.iaaf.org/links/kind=29/index.html
>> >
>
You said they were "studing" and that means they were humpin' hoes.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:34:58 +0200, "Giuseppe Scuderi" <scuderig@inwind.it> wrote:
>Why? I don't understand "www" <www@wombat.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
>news:8vk5pvo8flbacp65sh2i24i6qs03fm8usa@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:07:49 +0200, "Giuseppe Scuderi" <scuderig@inwind.it> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Two University in Italy are studing the training method.
>>
>> Does "studing" mean they're reproducing?
Yes Fr Guarducci, it is.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:21:38 +0200, "Giuseppe Scuderi" <scuderig@inwind.it> wrote:
>I have seen that many people are answering to me. The ploblem is very interesting.
>
>
><User12@Nashu.net> ha scritto nel messaggio news:5908pvsrh6l2384itu5ih1dcr8oivkmocb@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:38:57 +0200, "Giuseppe Scuderi" <scuderig@inwind.it> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Do you think: " he is stupid"? No. ing. Giuseppe Scuderi
>>
>> No, but SOMEONE around here certainly has a case of the stupids...
I am again with you to explain the greatest news in the run and you don't understand me. I am sure
you will understand me when an athlete will become recordman in100 metres dash using my track. You
must study the scientific researchs of University of Rome and of University of Catania. You must
wait max 4 years to understand my method. At soon
<MJuric> ha scritto nel messaggio news:3f944300.24674945@news.choiceone.net...
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:34:18 -0400 (EDT), "Layne Wallace" <lwallace@unf.edu> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:07:49 +0200, Giuseppe Scuderi wrote:
> >
> >>
> >ROTFLMAO. Giuseppe, Giuseppe. You are persistent. Is this the same device that you advocated in
> >r.r in 1998, 1999, and last year? The responses are certainly similar. While I do appreciate
> >the diversion and the somewhat surreal deja vu, it seems that even the new r.rers aren't too
> >taken with
it.
> >
> >Hmm, are you in the northwest? The Barolos and Barberas have just been released here in the USA
> >and they truly rock. Had a nice Barbera the
other
> >day before a 10 miler and it was kickin'. Very runnable. More complex
than
> >say a Calfornian Arcadian Pinot Noir but just as runnable. Nice burps
around
> >mile 6. If you are in the northwest, I am almost as envious of your
locale as
> >I am of Steve Common's (who is going to get a surprise visit one of these days).
> >
> >See you next year!!! Layne
>
> Has it been a year? Seems like only yesterday....
>
>
> ~Matt
>
> >
> >-------------------------------------------------------
> >The rec.running report archives may be found at
http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running
> >
Man, what kind of ganga do they smoke over there? This guys higher than I was as a teenager.
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:19:06 +0200, "Giuseppe Scuderi" <scuderig@inwind.it> wrote:
>
>I am again with you to explain the greatest news in the run and you don't understand me. I am sure
>you will understand me when an athlete will become recordman in100 metres dash using my track. You
>must study the scientific researchs of University of Rome and of University of Catania. You must
>wait max 4 years to understand my method. At soon
>
>
><MJuric> ha scritto nel messaggio news:3f944300.24674945@news.choiceone.net...
>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:34:18 -0400 (EDT), "Layne Wallace" <lwallace@unf.edu> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:07:49 +0200, Giuseppe Scuderi wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >ROTFLMAO. Giuseppe, Giuseppe. You are persistent. Is this the same device that you advocated in
>> >r.r in 1998, 1999, and last year? The responses are certainly similar. While I do appreciate
>> >the diversion and the somewhat surreal deja vu, it seems that even the new r.rers aren't too
>> >taken with
>it.
>> >
>> >Hmm, are you in the northwest? The Barolos and Barberas have just been released here in the USA
>> >and they truly rock. Had a nice Barbera the
>other
>> >day before a 10 miler and it was kickin'. Very runnable. More complex
>than
>> >say a Calfornian Arcadian Pinot Noir but just as runnable. Nice burps
>around
>> >mile 6. If you are in the northwest, I am almost as envious of your
>locale as
>> >I am of Steve Common's (who is going to get a surprise visit one of these days).
>> >
>> >See you next year!!! Layne
>>
>> Has it been a year? Seems like only yesterday....
>>
>>
>> ~Matt
>>
>> >
>> >-------------------------------------------------------
>> >The rec.running report archives may be found at
>http://kinder.cis.unf.edu/rec.running
>> >
>> >
>
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