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Stalkers, identities and life.
As it would appear that I'm unable to convince Matthew M that I'm not 'Fraser Edwards', web designer
and probably all-round good egg, I feel that there is no course open to me other than to adopt his
name and what I feel would be his modus operandi. Accordingly, I shall from this day forth be known
as 'Fraser' and will accept questions on HTML and other clever-sounding web-design thingies.
So, go on, ask me a question. Ask me why a web designer with a web presence would (allegedly) expose
himself to ridicule by continuing to post on Usenet after he's been 'unmasked'. Ask me why this self
same fool would (allegedly) leave an obvious link between himself and one of the characters the
claims to be. Or - and here's the clincher - ask me what possible motive I, Fraser Edwards
(allegedly) could have for adopting a high profile trolling campaign on r.r. Y'see Matthew, behind
every action in life lies a motivating factor. It could be greed, love, anger, compassion, etc.,
etc. Find the motivation and you find the man.
Using Oz-speak, your desire to see me in Edwards speaks volumes about you. You want me to be a
failure, and unworthy person, a pathetic individual squirming under the intolerable burden of their
overwhelming life. You can't accept that trolls sometimes run against the stereotype. That we can be
normal, (reasonably) well adjusted bundles of fun and frivolity. Your anger and desperation for
closure shine through like a beacon.
I don't know Fraser Edwards. I don't even know if he runs. All I do know is that he's a guy trying
to make a living. Pissing about on the net is one thing, Matthew, unfairly dumping on some honest
shmuck is quite another. Tell you what, Matt, if you ever do get near to me I'll have the decency to
stand up and say so. You won't have to wonder or guess, you'll be certain. It's all a game after
all. In the meantime, you could do with applying some lateral thinking to your stalking. You won't
find me through the obvious means, though feel free to continue trying.
The time and energy you've expended in your pointless and thus far unsuccessful search would, I
suggest, have been better spent in asking yourself what it is about me that you find so upsetting.
Is it my arrogance, my bluntness, my intolerance of stupidity, my cruel humour, etc? And how do you
best combat these things? By attempting to jump up and down on the head of the perpetrator? Or by
disarming arrogance with compassion, bluntness with soft words, intolerance with understanding,
stupidity with patient explanation, and cruel humour with a warm gesture? There is no better rebuke
than by example; no more effective rebuttal than an immediate confrontation, honestly undertaken.
You don't confront me Matthew, you stand alongside me. We are two faces of the same coin. We're
bound together on a long and bumpy journey. I hope you'll enjoy the ride.
Fraser.
in america it is called. are we all reading now? You can't take away people rights to be an a$#
hole. get over it , move on.
> So, go on, ask me a question. Ask me why a web designer with a web presence would (allegedly)
> expose himself to ridicule by continuing to post on Usenet after he's been 'unmasked'.
Persistance as a mask Fraser old bean, Methinks thou protest to much.
Y'see Matthew, behind every action in life lies
> a motivating factor. It could be greed, love, anger, compassion, etc., etc. Find the motivation
> and you find the man.
Ah but that is it. You have none of these hence you lash out.
>
. You
> can't accept that trolls sometimes run against the stereotype.
Trolls are simply bullies with internet access.
That we can
> be normal, (reasonably) well adjusted bundles of fun and frivolity.
No, anyone who takes pleasure in others grief is not well adjusted and that so call frivolity is
nothing but hatred hidden in bile.
Your
> anger and desperation for closure shine through like a beacon.
Oh there is no need for closure. I have it. I just want to to feel like you make others feel. If you
are capable. I have my doubts.
>
> I don't know Fraser Edwards. I don't even know if he runs. All I do know is that he's a guy trying
> to make a living.
Squirm a little Fraser. Now you know how Ashby felt when you threatened him to the Uni.
.
> Tell you what, Matt, if you ever do get near to me I'll have the decency to stand up and say so.
No you will not. A decent man would not lie on the net or troll. You are nothing more than a coward
behind a screen inflicting grief.
You won't have to wonder or guess, you'll be certain.
> It's all a game after all. In the meantime, you could do with applying some lateral thinking to
> your stalking. You won't find me through the obvious means, though feel free to continue trying.
I already found you. You can not dodge anymore.
>
> The time and energy you've expended in your pointless and thus far unsuccessful search would,
It has been quite sucessful. Why try so hard to dodge and squirm? Afraid I'll do to you what you did
to so many others and threaten to damage your real life? One way to avoid that. Go away.
I suggest, have been better spent in asking
> yourself what it is about me that you find so upsetting. Is it my arrogance, my bluntness, my
> intolerance of stupidity, my cruel humour, etc? And how do you best combat these things? By
> attempting to jump up and down on the head of the perpetrator? Or by disarming arrogance with
> compassion, bluntness with soft words, intolerance with understanding, stupidity with patient
> explanation, and cruel humour with a warm gesture? There is no better rebuke than by example; no
> more effective rebuttal than an immediate confrontation, honestly undertaken.
Then why do you not do this?
>
> You don't confront me Matthew, you stand alongside me. We are two faces of the same coin. We're
> bound together on a long and bumpy journey. I hope you'll enjoy the ride
I told you that a long time ago fraser. I own you. Your my ***** and you dance like a marrionete.
This whole attempt to convince me your not fraser confirms it. You left your link wide open before
you decided to troll. How do you like St Albans?
"Matthew Mazerowski" <one.hundred@talk21.com> wrote in message
news:e40696d8.0310200825.2152a62c@posting.google.com...
> Persistance as a mask Fraser old bean, Methinks thou protest to much.
I was trying to be kind. You're going to look, and feel, *terribly* silly when you realise that I
was telling you the truth all along.
> Ah but that is it. You have none of these hence you lash out.
The fact that you haven't spotted it doesn't mean that it isn't there. Wasn't there a thread about
this recently?
> Trolls are simply bullies with internet access.
Some are. Some are the bullied returning the compliment. And some are here for the fun.
> No, anyone who takes pleasure in others grief is not well adjusted and that so call frivolity is
> nothing but hatred hidden in bile.
You look for things that aren't there, and you see things that don't exist. You are the Don Quixote
de la Mancha of rec.running. There is no grief on rec.running. There is no bile. You mistake the
sport of fencing for the gore of the battlefield simply 'cause you see a flashing blade. Well, that,
and you're stupid.
> No you will not. A decent man would not lie on the net or troll. You are nothing more than a
> coward behind a screen inflicting grief.
If anyone that I've trolled actually stood up and said that I had caused them GENUINE grief I would
seriously consider my position. Sorry Wobbot, you don't count. Nor do you, Matthew.
> I already found you. You can not dodge anymore.
<splutter> Yeah, sure, you got me Matt. <splutter>
> One way to avoid that. Go away.
Shan't. Won't. Can't.
> Then why do you not do this?
Hmm, don't know. Perhaps I'm a facilitator.
> I told you that a long time ago fraser. I own you. Your my ***** and you dance like a marrionete.
The instead of idle boasting, prove it. Do something dramatic. Do something public. PROVE to the
rec.runners that you're right.
> How do you like St Albans?
Absolutely spiffing. Warm breezes, bracing walks, scenic views. You know the sort of thing.
Frazer.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:41:14 +0100, "apusapus" <apusapus@clara.co.uk> wrote:
<Snip Don't Care>
> You mistake the sport of fencing for the gore of the battlefield simply 'cause you see a
> flashing blade. Well, that, and you're stupid.
Man I like this line can use it? Or did you already steal it from someone?
~Matt
<Snip continued lack of interest
Ah Woger my old soup spoon! Good to see you're still alive and insulting. Keep up the good wok!
Surf
<MJuric> wrote in message news:3f944676.667967@news.choiceone.net...
> <Snip Don't Care>
YOU DON'T CARE!?! How can this be?
I know, this whole subject is rather dull but - as you may have noticed - I've given up trolling the
obvious cases, instead concentrating on those who I feel would benefit most from my limited time.
Currently I'm helping Timothy with his English, Matthew with his stalking, Wobbot with his ongoing
battle with the world, and any other soul in distress that cries out for my assistance.
> Man I like this line can use it? Or did you already steal it from someone?
It's an original. I do occasionally pinch lines but usually my conscience overwhelms me and I end up
attributing - if only to prove how well read I am.
> <Snip continued lack of interest>
I understand. Even I'm hard pressed to bask in the warm glow of these posts.
Frazer.
"Surf McBrowse" <asdf@zxcv.net> wrote in message news:d84lb.1617$VQ3.212275@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Good to see you're still alive
'Twas a close run thing. The 'flu nearly got me.
> and insulting.
I prefer 'combative', though it's pretty difficult to avoid insulting Matthew, he's such a duffus.
> Keep up the good wok!
I shall try. BTW, what happened to the 'Surf Country Weekend'? The offer still stands for a 'meet
Roger/Jo/Sydenhams/Zero/Frazer' week at sunny Loch Insh next year. Still no takers?
Frazer.
And once again the two clowns/clones resurface at the same time, within a day of each other. Getting
bored talking to yourself Roidger?
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 02:10:58 -0400, "Surf McBrowse" <asdf@zxcv.net> wrote:
>Ah Woger my old soup spoon! Good to see you're still alive and insulting. Keep up the good wok!
>
>Surf
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:06:14 +0100, "apusapus" <apusapus@clara.co.uk> wrote:
><MJuric> wrote in message news:3f944676.667967@news.choiceone.net...
>
>> <Snip Don't Care>
>
>YOU DON'T CARE!?!
Hear this from your ex-wife Frasier?
>It's an original. I do occasionally pinch lines but usually my conscience overwhelms me and I end
>up attributing - if only to prove how well read I am.
>
Your quotes from the Marvel comics series of literature does make you seem so well read.
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:11:44 +0100, "apusapus" <apusapus@clara.co.uk> wrote:
>he offer still stands for a 'meet Roger/Jo/Sydenhams/Zero/Frazer' week at sunny Loch Insh next
>year. Still no takers?
>
Nobodys dumb enough to be sucked in by your troll Frasier. And BTWE, learn how to spell your name,
because if you think mispelling it will convince us it's not you (the ol' "misspell my name to make
them think I'm not he" trick?) you are not nearly as bright as you think you are. I invented that
trick on rec.musicmakers.bagpipe 4 years ago. So if you want to use my material then pay my
royalties fee.
"The Bagpipp" <TheBagpipp@aol.com> wrote in message
news:sjr9pv4289nstc9503e2cgkru77lu55uup@4ax.com...
> Nobodys dumb enough to be sucked in by your troll Frasier. And BTWE, learn how to spell your
> name, because if you think mispelling it will convince us it's not you (the ol' "misspell my name
> to make them think I'm not he" trick?) you are not nearly as bright as you think you are.
The sole reason I misspell that name is because I don't want to be hit by the flak when Matthew
M eventually 'goes public', does something daft to Fraser Edwards, and has his ass canned by
the police.
I repeat, I am not, never have been, and never will be 'Fraser Edwards'.
Frazer.
"bagpipp" <Bagpipp@aol.com> wrote in message news:ser9pv0c674rmlvnroijettsn8khad3anm@4ax.com...
> Your quotes from the Marvel comics series of literature does make you seem so well read.
Oooh! I don't know. We were obviously brought up on the same comic-book diet :-)
Frazer.
"bagpipp" <Bagpipp@aol.com> wrote in message news:mmq9pvkug9q9481kivteld2nbob3a7j1bo@4ax.com...
> And once again the two clowns/clones resurface at the same time, within a day of each other.
> Getting bored talking to yourself Roidger?
Wobbot, between you and Matthew you make a monkey out of the notion that there is intelligent life
on the 'net. I say again, look at his headers.
BTW Surf, why don't you put Wobbot and others out of their misery and tell them who you really are?
Andy could have done with some advice on how to qualify for the Olympic trials. As you've already
'been there, done that' I'd have thought a few words of encouragement to the boy would have been
entirely appropriate. Hiding under your kimono will make your skin pale and spotty.
Frazer
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:40:00 +0100, "apusapus" <apusapus@clara.co.uk> wrote:
>"bagpipp" <Bagpipp@aol.com> wrote in message news:mmq9pvkug9q9481kivteld2nbob3a7j1bo@4ax.com...
>
>> And once again the two clowns/clones resurface at the same time, within a day of each other.
>> Getting bored talking to yourself Roidger?
>
>Wobbot, between you and Matthew you make a monkey out of the notion that there is intelligent life
>on the 'net. I say again, look at his headers.
>
>BTW Surf, why don't you put Wobbot and others out of their misery and tell them who you really are?
>Andy could have done with some advice on how to qualify for the Olympic trials. As you've already
>'been there, done that' I'd have thought a few words of encouragement to the boy would have been
>entirely appropriate. Hiding under your kimono will make your skin pale and spotty.
>
>
Oh no, let me guess. He's Frasier VonHoven, a rich, muti-lingual playboy of the world, who sips
champagne with kings and queens, and has his way with their daughters (or young sons as the rumor
goes...) as he flys around the world in his quest to be the champion lil' car racer on the grand
touring circuit. He looks death in the face constantly, but bravery is his middle name. He is sought
after by all
smart, and good looking. So does that about sum up this weeks imaginary ego that you've chosen to
display? Did I leave anything out? Like maybe you disarmed a nuclear device today and saved the
planet? Or the devil had returned to claim the earth, but you stood ready with the forces of good
behind you and defeated them? Gee, imagine hearing advice about being anonymous from YOU.
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:32:18 +0100, "apusapus" <apusapus@clara.co.uk> wrote:
>"The Bagpipp" <TheBagpipp@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:sjr9pv4289nstc9503e2cgkru77lu55uup@4ax.com...
>
>> Nobodys dumb enough to be sucked in by your troll Frasier. And BTWE, learn how to spell your
>> name, because if you think mispelling it will convince us it's not you (the ol' "misspell my
>> name to make them think I'm not he" trick?) you are not nearly as bright as you think you are.
>
>The sole reason I misspell that name is because I don't want to be hit by the flak when Matthew
>M eventually 'goes public', does something daft to Fraser Edwards, and has his ass canned by
>the police.
>
>I repeat, I am not, never have been, and never will be 'Fraser Edwards'.
>
And once again he misspells it to throw us off. You are so lame Edwards...
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:33:47 +0100, "apusapus" <apusapus@clara.co.uk> wrote:
>"bagpipp" <Bagpipp@aol.com> wrote in message news:ser9pv0c674rmlvnroijettsn8khad3anm@4ax.com...
>
>> Your quotes from the Marvel comics series of literature does make you seem so well read.
>
>Oooh! I don't know. We were obviously brought up on the same comic-book diet :-)
>
You have those comics in your little armpit of the world? I thought savages like you preferred
talking picture books so you wouldn't get confused by big words like "the" and "it".
"TB" <TheBagpip@aol.com> wrote in message news:l76apvcl98bs5kfvh5l0sct1eu55fa7k55@4ax.com...
> Oh no, let me guess. He's Frasier VonHoven, a rich, muti-lingual playboy of the world,
But I've never claimed to be multi-lingual...
> who sips champagne with kings and queens, and
...nor to drink alcohol anymore...
> has his way with their daughters (or young sons as the rumor goes...)
> as he flys around the world in his quest to be the champion lil' car racer on the grand touring
> circuit.
...nor to fly beyond the bounds of the UK... ...nor to race grand touring cars (it was single
seaters, a GT car has two seats)...
> He looks death in the face constantly,
...nor to have but the occasional passing glance at death...
> but bravery is his middle name.
...and CERTAINLY not to be brave...
> He is sought after by all the maidens,
...if only that were true. I can't even get the Polish guest workers to fondle my thighs...
> smart, and good looking.
...OK, that bit's true..
> So does that about sum up this weeks imaginary ego that you've chosen to display?
No. This week I'm 'reasonable Frazer', righter of wrongs, doer of good deeds, and all-round
reasonable fellow. Please, take advantage of my kind nature. It may wither and die before you
realise that it's flowered.
> Did I leave anything out?
I think you mostly covered it. I'm glad to see you've been paying attention at the back of the
class. I thought all that furtive fumbling was directed towards another end...
> Like maybe you disarmed a nuclear device today and saved the planet? Or the devil had returned to
> claim the earth, but you stood ready with the forces of good behind you and defeated them?
You missed the bit where I saved the world from alien invasion.
> Gee, imagine hearing advice about being anonymous from YOU.
Let me guess. You still think I'm Fraser Edwards.
Frazer.
"> The sole reason I misspell that name is because I don't want to be hit by
> the flak when Matthew M eventually 'goes public', does something daft to Fraser Edwards, and has
> his ass canned by the police.
>
> I repeat, I am not, never have been, and never will be 'Fraser Edwards'.
>
Denial doesn't make it true Fraser old bean. Protest all you want. The connect is as obvious as
the connection to the real Roger Hunter. Squirm away with the rueses. I'm not the only one who
figured you out. Your just dancing now like I thought. I am not Fraser I am not Fraser no really I
am not Fraser, Nigel tell him to stop treating me like I treated everyone else. It is not fair
waaaaaaaaa. And Fraser I see you want to run to the police. You can threaten to mess with people
like Ashby and get them in trouble at work. But when you are on the other side you start yelling
for the coppers. What an ****. Of course that just shows you are Fraser. You feel bad so you turn
right to the authorities. What you are is pathetic. A real net coward. You can dish it out but you
can not take it. You may call me a dufuss but what your are is true low life piece of dung. You
"stalk" numerous newsgroups but when you are given a taste of your own medicine <snicker> you want
to run off to the police. You are garbage. No matter what petty insults you use you are still
little net coward who runs under someones skirt when you get your own in return. Now you know how
it feels. Not pleasent is it?
> BTW, what happened to the 'Surf Country Weekend'? The offer still stands for a 'meet
> Roger/Jo/Sydenhams/Zero/Frazer' week at sunny
Loch
> Insh next year. Still no takers?
>
We'll see what happens in the new year. I'll be there all summer long at my country retreat,
running, boating, skiing, lounging in my Speedo surrounded by young ladies clad in thongs
and tassels.
Well, I will have to, on occasion, leave my luxurious villa and jet between some of the more
fashionable cities of the world, if only to practice philanthropy from more suitable surroundings.
That is of course when I'm not busy planting explosives on the yachts of evil geniuses, and shagging
dangerously beautiful women in life boats.
> BTW Surf, why don't you put Wobbot and others out of their misery and tell
them who you really are?
You've said it yourself many ways; it's more fun this way. There is nothing I can't contribute as
Surf or Batman or whomever. Most of the running questions on this NG are from people fishing for
what they want to hear anyway. Those who do really need good advice about training, form, diet and
other seemingly serious topics should really seek help from someone (face to face) who knows their
fitness, history, gait, habits and various proclivities. Mais je m'écarte, ce n'est pas le point.
Surf
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