Melchor Mauri
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Friend from Spain sends me a waterbottle signed by Mauri, with a note saying Melchor won the Vuelta.
What year did he win the Vuelta? I have never heard of this guy!
-Greg
"Greg Nelson" <gnelson@prediletto.net> wrote in message news:1_mdnWEiz9LyQjuiRVn-gw@yvn.com...
> Friend from Spain sends me a waterbottle signed by Mauri, with a note
saying
> Melchor won the Vuelta. What year did he win the Vuelta? I have never
heard
> of this guy!
Goddamm.
He won in 1991, 12 years before you rode your first 20-miler.
cheers, Fred.
Mauri won the Vuelta in 1991 (from the cyclingnews archives...)
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:04:38 -0800, Greg Nelson wrote:
> What year did he win the Vuelta?
Check out http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.net/etapes/vuelta_espana.php
> I have never heard of this guy!
Dismay. http://www.phys.uu.nl/~dronkert/tmp/mpuotwf.mp3
13 years fatman, not 12. "Ewoud Dronkert" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:cnqdqvoc8qrr9lt3ck1ugomvjvjtukrgkg@news.xs4all.nl...
> On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:04:38 -0800, Greg Nelson wrote:
> > What year did he win the Vuelta?
>
> Check out http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.net/etapes/vuelta_espana.php
>
> > I have never heard of this guy!
>
> Dismay. http://www.phys.uu.nl/~dronkert/tmp/mpuotwf.mp3
Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 15:04:38 -0800, Greg Nelson wrote:
>> What year did he win the Vuelta?
>
> Check out http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.net/etapes/vuelta_espana.php
>
>> I have never heard of this guy!
>
> Dismay. http://www.phys.uu.nl/~dronkert/tmp/mpuotwf.mp3
That's vicious. You should use a pseudonym.
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:21:23 +0100, Robert Chung wrote:
> That's vicious. You should use a pseudonym.
I see your hubbies at RAND are busy being er, productive too.
He was mentioned a lot this Vuelta because he was very much like Nozal
- a long-time team rider who had an amazing Vuelta. The difference between he and Nozal is that
Melchor won.
In article <1_mdnWEiz9LyQjuiRVn-gw@yvn.com>, Greg Nelson <gnelson@prediletto.net> wrote:
> Friend from Spain sends me a waterbottle signed by Mauri, with a note saying Melchor won the
> Vuelta. What year did he win the Vuelta? I have never heard of this guy!
>
> -Greg
"Greg Nelson" <gnelson@prediletto.net> wrote in message news:<1_mdnWEiz9LyQjuiRVn-gw@yvn.com>...
> Friend from Spain sends me a waterbottle signed by Mauri, with a note saying Melchor won the
> Vuelta. What year did he win the Vuelta? I have never heard of this guy!
I think he was a 2nd Lt to Indurain on the Banesto team in the early 90's. I will have to review
some of my tapes to confirm. But Mauri was a good rider.
> -Greg
Heinz Getzler schreef:
> "I think he was a 2nd Lt to Indurain on the Banesto team in the early 90's. I will have to review
> some of my tapes to confirm. But Mauri was a good rider.
> > -Greg
Mauri was ONCE in his best years, only one year Banesto in between, and then to smaller teams . He
also had one very good Tour, when he was with Jalabert in the 'coup' stage to Mende.
Speaking of it, It speaks for Indurain that it's hard to remember who might have been his
lieutenants. If one remembers teammates, it's over the hill Delgado, weakling-brother Prudencio, or
the French Bernard and De las Cuevas who had their own agenda. Wait, I remember Rué doing some good
pacework.... But his team wasn't matching the quality contenders' teams have these days.
"Van Hoorebeeck Bart" <bart.vanhoorebeeck@wvc.vlaanderen.be> wrote in message
news:3FAA05E0.54AF2C79@wvc.vlaanderen.be...
>
>
> Heinz Getzler schreef:
>
> > "I think he was a 2nd Lt to Indurain on the Banesto team in the early 90's. I will have to
> > review some of my tapes to confirm. But Mauri was a good rider.
> > > -Greg
>
> Mauri was ONCE in his best years, only one year Banesto in between, and
then to smaller teams . He
> also had one very good Tour, when he was with Jalabert in the 'coup' stage
to Mende.
>
> Speaking of it, It speaks for Indurain that it's hard to remember who might
have been his
> lieutenants. If one remembers teammates, it's over the hill Delgado,
weakling-brother Prudencio, or
> the French Bernard and De las Cuevas who had their own agenda. Wait, I remember Rué doing some
> good pacework.... But his team wasn't
matching the quality
> contenders' teams have these days.
I remember Rue doing some good work, but you're right, the rest of the team was forgettable.
off that day - the Banesto DS had to buy some other teams' help that day, otherwise Jalabert's gains
would have been even bigger.
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 08:32:32 GMT, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> "Van Hoorebeeck Bart" wrote:
>> Speaking of it, It speaks for Indurain that it's hard to remember who might have been his
>> lieutenants. If one remembers teammates, it's over the hill Delgado, weakling-brother Prudencio,
>> or the French Bernard and De las Cuevas who had their own agenda. Wait, I remember Rué doing some
>> good pacework....
>
> I remember Rue doing some good work, but you're right, the rest of the team was forgettable.
Of course, we in Holland all remember Erwin Nijboer as Indurain's faithful (no other
qualification possible) lieutenant, a captain on the road for the flat stages. But I think he
only rode 1 or 2 Tours.
Van Hoorebeeck Bart <bart.vanhoorebeeck@wvc.vlaanderen.be> wrote in message
news:<3FAA05E0.54AF2C79@wvc.vlaanderen.be>...
> Heinz Getzler schreef:
>
> > "I think he was a 2nd Lt to Indurain on the Banesto team in the early 90's. I will have to
> > review some of my tapes to confirm. But Mauri was a good rider.
> > > -Greg
>
> Mauri was ONCE in his best years, only one year Banesto in between, and then to smaller teams . He
> also had one very good Tour, when he was with Jalabert in the 'coup' stage to Mende.
>
> Speaking of it, It speaks for Indurain that it's hard to remember who might have been his
> lieutenants. If one remembers teammates, it's over the hill Delgado, weakling-brother Prudencio,
> or the French Bernard and De las Cuevas who had their own agenda. Wait, I remember Rué doing some
> good pacework.... But his team wasn't matching the quality contenders' teams have these days.
The Banesto teams for Indurain's 5 TdF wins:
1991 31 DELGADO Pedro (Esp) 32 ALONSO Marino (Esp) 33 ARNAUD Dominique (Fra) 34 BERNARD
Jean-François (Fra) 35 INDURAIN Miguel (Esp) 36 LUKIN Luis-Javier (Esp) 37 PHILIPOT Fabrice (Fra) 38
RODRIGUEZ-MAGRO Jesus (Esp) 39 RONDON Abelardo (Col)
1992 1 INDURAIN Miguel (Esp) 2 ALONSO Marino (Esp) 3 BERNARD Jean-François (Fra) 4 DE LAS CUEVAS
Armand (Fra) hd.14° 5 DELGADO Pedro (Esp) 6 GARMENDIA Aitor (Esp) 7 GOROSPE Julian (Esp) 8 PHILIPOT
Fabrice (Fra) ab.13° 9 ZUBERO Jose-Uriarte (Esp)
1993 1 INDURAIN Miguel (Esp) 2 ALONSO Marino (Esp) 3 BERNARD Jean-François (Fra) 4 DELGADO Pedro
(Esp) 5 GARMENDIA Aitor (Esp) np.6° 6 GOROSPE Julian (Esp) 7 INDURAIN Prudencio (Esp) 8 RUE Gérard
(Fra) 9 URIARTE Jose-Ramon (Esp)
1994 1 INDURAIN Miguel (Esp) 2 ALONSO Marino (Esp) ab.17° 3 APARICIO Vicente (Esp) 4 BERNARD
Jean-François (Fra) 5 GONZALES-ARRIETA Ramon (Esp) 6 MAURI Melchor (Esp) 7 NIJBOER Erwin (Hol) 8 RUE
Gérard (Fra) 9 URIARTE José-Ramon (Esp)
1995 1 INDURAIN Miguel (Esp) 2 ALONSO marino (Esp) 3 APARICIO Vicente (Esp) 4 DAVY Thomas (Fra) 5
GARMENDIA Aitor (Esp) 6 GONZALES ARRIETA Jose-Ramon (Esp) 7 MIRANDA Carmelo (Esp) 8 RUE Gérard (Fra)
9 URIARTE Jose-Ramon (Esp)
Thanks.
Now I remember they mostly kept De las Cuevas out of the team because, despite his enormous TT
abilities, he was furthermore a loose cannon.
Garmendia, still a good pro, was invisible back then IIRC.
I'm surprised Prudencio was there just once, apparently blinded by the publicity he got. I vaguely
remember there once was a TT where Big Mig almost eliminated his brother with the time cut.
Van Hoorebeeck Bart <bart.vanhoorebeeck@wvc.vlaanderen.be> wrote in message
news:<3FAA6D8F.FE085922@wvc.vlaanderen.be>...
> Thanks.
>
> I'm surprised Prudencio was there just once, apparently blinded by the publicity he got. I vaguely
> remember there once was a TT where Big Mig almost eliminated his brother with the time cut.
I think Prudencio's "strength" was in the TTT. Apparently all the Banesto riders were apprehensive
about who would draw the short straw and ride behind Big Mig who's turns at the front were long and
hard - there was a risk that you would lose your place eary in the test which would result in
certain elimination. Prudencio drew the short straw as it was considered that it would be easier for
him to ask Miguel to slow down.
"Van Hoorebeeck Bart" <bart.vanhoorebeeck@wvc.vlaanderen.be> wrote in message
news:3FAA6D8F.FE085922@wvc.vlaanderen.be...
> Thanks.
>
> Now I remember they mostly kept De las Cuevas out of the team because,
despite his enormous TT abilities, he was furthermore
> a loose cannon.
>
> Garmendia, still a good pro, was invisible back then IIRC.
>
> I'm surprised Prudencio was there just once, apparently blinded by the
publicity he got. I vaguely remember there once was a
> TT where Big Mig almost eliminated his brother with the time cut.
Gorospe was probably the best helper he had IMO.
On 7 Nov 2003 06:36:27 -0800, rikoshea@yahoo.com (Rik O'Shea) wrote:
>I think Prudencio's "strength" was in the TTT. Apparently all the Banesto riders were apprehensive
>about who would draw the short straw and ride behind Big Mig
I would think being the guy just in front of M. Indurain would be worse. You'd be dropping back or
trying to get back on as he as pulling.
JT
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On 7 Nov 2003 06:36:27 -0800, rikoshea@yahoo.com (Rik O'Shea) wrote:
>
>
>
>>I think Prudencio's "strength" was in the TTT. Apparently all the Banesto riders were apprehensive
>>about who would draw the short straw and ride behind Big Mig
>
>
> I would think being the guy just in front of M. Indurain would be worse. You'd be dropping back or
> trying to get back on as he as pulling.
But the thing is, the Banesto team must have sorted out the issues pretty well. Compare and contrast
with the Gan TTT performance in Calais with Chris Boardman on the front, clearly stronger than all
his other teammates (I think he dropped them all at one point) and a pretty woeful placing.
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