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From the article:
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Two years after a special procycling investigation into eating disorders in the pro peloton, a
French National Cycling Federation (FFC) doctor has made the stunning claim that "30% of female
[elite riders] and 10% of males suffer from disordered eating."
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Read it at http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=4767
J. Spaceman
Jason Spaceman wrote:
> From the article:
> -----------------------------
> Two years after a special procycling investigation into eating disorders in the pro peloton, a
> French National Cycling Federation (FFC) doctor has made the stunning claim that "30% of female
> [elite riders] and 10% of males suffer from disordered eating."
Where I come from that sounds like cutting in line in the cafetieria.
> ----------------------------
>
> Read it at http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=4767
>
> J. Spaceman
I'm having a bit of a bout with something right now and about to change my diet over the next two
weeks to see if it improves things.
Originally posted by Jason Spaceman
From the article:
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Two years after a special procycling investigation into eating disorders in the pro peloton, a
French National Cycling Federation (FFC) doctor has made the stunning claim that "30% of female
[elite riders] and 10% of males suffer from disordered eating."
----------------------------
Read it at http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=4767
J. Spaceman
Buncha fatties
Jason Spaceman wrote:
> From the article:
> -----------------------------
> Two years after a special procycling investigation into eating disorders in the pro peloton, a
> French National Cycling Federation (FFC) doctor has made the stunning claim that "30% of female
> [elite riders] and 10% of males suffer from disordered eating."
> ----------------------------
>
> Read it at http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=4767
>
>
>
>
> J. Spaceman
Disordered eating. Not a very surprising revelation coming from the French who eat cheese and salad
AFTER the main course.
Jason Spaceman <I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast> wrote in message
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> From the article:
> -----------------------------
> Two years after a special procycling investigation into eating disorders in the pro peloton, a
> French National Cycling Federation (FFC) doctor has made the stunning claim that "30% of female
> [elite riders] and 10% of males suffer from disordered eating."
> ----------------------------
>
> Read it at http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=4767
No duh. Two words: Jeannie Longo. Leontien Van Moorsel was very public about her battle with
eating... er... disordereds. However, in my experience, women racers look far less anorexic than
the men. Ever seen Nicole Cooke? She's pretty normal looking. Genevieve Jeanson aside, the majority
of the N. American peloton looks pretty healthy. But the men? YIKES. I was in Hamilton hanging out
by the pits and I was just shocked at how TINY these guys are. Even Lieswyn was tiny tiny tiny! Not
an ounce of fat anywhere in that peloton. I'd say your average female elite rider has about 15-16%
body fat (which is on the low side for women in general) and men are probably around 4%. You can
see every muscle fiber through their skin - they look like some crazy mutant alien version of a
human being.
And how much greater are those number thant they are for the same demogrpahic that are not
pro-cyclists, or the same but not pro-atheletes, or the same and non all that active. IMHO, those
numbers are not too much higher.
And no I did not read the aritcle, I hope that info is in the article.
"Jason Spaceman" <I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast> wrote in message
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> From the article:
> -----------------------------
> Two years after a special procycling investigation into eating disorders
in
> the pro peloton, a French National Cycling Federation (FFC) doctor has
made
> the stunning claim that "30% of female [elite riders] and 10% of males suffer from disordered
> eating."
> ----------------------------
>
> Read it at http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=4767
>
>
>
>
> J. Spaceman
Contrary to what you saw in after schools specials and sitcoms in the 80's, eating disorders do not
always lead to being thin. There are many out there with eating disorders that are their perfect
body weight, especially the bing one week purge the next week types.
"PedalChick" <pedalchick@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jason Spaceman <I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast> wrote in message
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> > From the article:
> > -----------------------------
> > Two years after a special procycling investigation into eating disorders
in
> > the pro peloton, a French National Cycling Federation (FFC) doctor has
made
> > the stunning claim that "30% of female [elite riders] and 10% of males suffer from disordered
> > eating."
> > ----------------------------
> >
> > Read it at http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=4767
>
> No duh. Two words: Jeannie Longo. Leontien Van Moorsel was very public about her battle with
> eating... er... disordereds. However, in my experience, women racers look far less anorexic than
> the men. Ever seen Nicole Cooke? She's pretty normal looking. Genevieve Jeanson aside, the
> majority of the N. American peloton looks pretty healthy. But the men? YIKES. I was in Hamilton
> hanging out by the pits and I was just shocked at how TINY these guys are. Even Lieswyn was tiny
> tiny tiny! Not an ounce of fat anywhere in that peloton. I'd say your average female elite rider
> has about 15-16% body fat (which is on the low side for women in general) and men are probably
> around 4%. You can see every muscle fiber through their skin - they look like some crazy mutant
> alien version of a human being.
pedalchick@hotmail.com (PedalChick) wrote in message
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> Jason Spaceman <I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast> wrote in message
> news:<dLzqb.201264$3f.17523@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
> > From the article:
> > -----------------------------
> > Two years after a special procycling investigation into eating disorders in the pro peloton, a
> > French National Cycling Federation (FFC) doctor has made the stunning claim that "30% of female
> > [elite riders] and 10% of males suffer from disordered eating."
> > ----------------------------
> >
> > Read it at http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=4767
>
> No duh. Two words: Jeannie Longo. Leontien Van Moorsel was very public about her battle with
> eating... er... disordereds. However, in my experience, women racers look far less anorexic than
> the men. Ever seen Nicole Cooke? She's pretty normal looking. Genevieve Jeanson aside, the
> majority of the N. American peloton looks pretty healthy. But the men? YIKES. I was in Hamilton
> hanging out by the pits and I was just shocked at how TINY these guys are. Even Lieswyn was tiny
> tiny tiny! Not an ounce of fat anywhere in that peloton. I'd say your average female elite rider
> has about 15-16% body fat (which is on the low side for women in general) and men are probably
> around 4%. You can see every muscle fiber through their skin - they look like some crazy mutant
> alien version of a human being.
At Philly this year, I thought the difference between the physiques of US-based riders and the euros
was amazing. I was with a couple 7 Ups and Sierra Nevadas who dropped out on last lap. A couple
Saecos and Caldirolas pulled up to get out of the way of the on-coming pack. The yanks almost looked
like rugby players compared to the rail-thin euros. In the pits later, the difference was even more
pronounced.
pedalchick@hotmail.com (PedalChick) wrote in message
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> Jason Spaceman <I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast> wrote in message
> news:<dLzqb.201264$3f.17523@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
> > From the article:
> > -----------------------------
> > Two years after a special procycling investigation into eating disorders in the pro peloton, a
> > French National Cycling Federation (FFC) doctor has made the stunning claim that "30% of female
> > [elite riders] and 10% of males suffer from disordered eating."
> > ----------------------------
> >
> > Read it at http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=4767
>
> No duh. Two words: Jeannie Longo. Leontien Van Moorsel was very public about her battle with
> eating... er... disordereds. However, in my experience, women racers look far less anorexic than
> the men. Ever seen Nicole Cooke? She's pretty normal looking. Genevieve Jeanson aside, the
> majority of the N. American peloton looks pretty healthy. But the men? YIKES. I was in Hamilton
> hanging out by the pits and I was just shocked at how TINY these guys are. Even Lieswyn was tiny
> tiny tiny! Not an ounce of fat anywhere in that peloton. I'd say your average female elite rider
> has about 15-16% body fat (which is on the low side for women in general) and men are probably
> around 4%. You can see every muscle fiber through their skin - they look like some crazy mutant
> alien version of a human being.
I noticed however the size of the peleton got smaller and smaller as the size of the peleton got
smaller and smaller. It appears that the best of the best (non-sprinters) tend to be pretty lithe
girls. Actually surprisingly so.
> No duh. Two words: Jeannie Longo. Leontien Van Moorsel was very public about her battle with
> eating... er... disordereds. However, in my experience, women racers look far less anorexic than
> the men. Ever seen Nicole Cooke? She's pretty normal looking. Genevieve Jeanson aside, the
> majority of the N. American peloton looks pretty healthy. But the men? YIKES. I was in Hamilton
> hanging out by the pits and I was just shocked at how TINY these guys are. Even Lieswyn was tiny
> tiny tiny! Not an ounce of fat anywhere in that peloton. I'd say your average female elite rider
> has about 15-16% body fat (which is on the low side for women in general) and men are probably
> around 4%. You can see every muscle fiber through their skin - they look like some crazy mutant
> alien version of a human being.
Speaking of Nicole Cooke, she dropped some science, on the eating disorder thang, in today's
ProCycling ----> 'Cooke bemoans cycling's slimming disease'
http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=4769
J. Spaceman
"Jason Spaceman" <I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast> wrote in message
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>
> Speaking of Nicole Cooke, she dropped some science, on the eating disorder thang, in today's
> ProCycling ----> 'Cooke bemoans cycling's slimming disease'
> http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=4769
From the referenced article:
<snip>
The most famous case of an eating disorder in cycling belongs to Dutch pin-up, Leontien Van
Moorsel-Zylaard. Before she recently added the world hour record to a palmarès already bejewelled
with two female Tour de France titles, Van Moorsel-Zylaard saw her weight plummet to 45kg as she
battled with anorexia nervosa in the mid-nineties. Van Moorsel-Zylaard told procycling in 2002 that
she suffered insults of "fat-ass" when she returned to the peloton weighing 85kg in 1996.
<snip><end>
I don't respect LVM for weighing 45kg (too little) and I don't respect her for weighing 85kg either
(too much).
the middle road and weighed 65kg instead of going for the extremes. IMO, 85kg is a different symptom
of the same disease as 45kg.
Why can't people have a little self-discipline? It's not *that* hard.
Kurgan Gringioni <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I don't respect LVM for weighing 45kg (too little) and I don't respect her for weighing 85kg
> either (too much).
> the middle road and weighed 65kg instead of going for the extremes. IMO, 85kg is a different
> symptom of the same disease as 45kg.
> Why can't people have a little self-discipline? It's not *that* hard.
Fat Henry,
Duh. Someone with a real eating disorder by definition has too little self-discipline, or too much -
almost the same thing - over-controlling your eating because you can't persuade or trust yourself to
eat normally. (IOW I agree with you that 45kg and 85kg are symptoms of the same disease.)
What you are asking is like telling clinically depressed people to just cheer up, their lives
aren't that bad - after all a thousand times better than some impoverished peasant in Bangladesh.
Of course this is true, they just can't see it. Scolding is, in general, not an effective therapy
for mental illness.
People with eating disorders can be frustrating. It's awfully tempting to say "Quit fussing! Act
normal, goddamnit!" I'm not convinced it works.
Now, this is different from you, me, masters fatties, or the average American carrying around a
couple extra boxes of donuts. There you can argue about self-discipline. How do you tell whether
someone really has an eating disorder? Hell if I know, but 45kg to 85kg sounds like a clue.
"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jason Spaceman" <I@eat.spammers.for.breakfast> wrote in message
> news:m0Vqb.48549$YN6.14709@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> >
> > Speaking of Nicole Cooke, she dropped some science, on the eating
disorder
> > thang, in today's ProCycling ----> 'Cooke bemoans cycling's slimming disease'
> > http://www.procycling.com/news_main.asp?newsId=4769
>
>
>
> From the referenced article:
>
> <snip>
>
> The most famous case of an eating disorder in cycling belongs to Dutch pin-up, Leontien Van
> Moorsel-Zylaard. Before she recently added the world hour record to a palmarès already bejewelled
> with two female Tour de
France
> titles, Van Moorsel-Zylaard saw her weight plummet to 45kg as she battled with anorexia nervosa in
> the mid-nineties. Van Moorsel-Zylaard told procycling in 2002 that she suffered insults of
> "fat-ass" when she
returned
> to the peloton weighing 85kg in 1996.
>
> <snip><end>
>
>
>
> I don't respect LVM for weighing 45kg (too little) and I don't respect her for weighing 85kg
> either (too much).
>
>
> the middle road and weighed 65kg instead of going for the extremes. IMO,
85kg
> is a different symptom of the same disease as 45kg.
>
>
> Why can't people have a little self-discipline? It's not *that* hard.
Are you serious? You really are an idiot on this one.
"Bruce Johnston" <riposa@sti.net> wrote in message news:8r2dnc2UQesElymiRVn-hA@sti.net...
> >
> > I don't respect LVM for weighing 45kg (too little) and I don't respect
her
> > for weighing 85kg either (too much).
> >
> >
take
> > the middle road and weighed 65kg instead of going for the extremes. IMO,
> 85kg
> > is a different symptom of the same disease as 45kg.
> >
> >
> > Why can't people have a little self-discipline? It's not *that* hard.
>
> Are you serious? You really are an idiot on this one.
Dumbass -
85 kg is a fatass porker.
I'll say it again:
LVM is a Fattie.
"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Bruce Johnston" <riposa@sti.net> wrote in message news:8r2dnc2UQesElymiRVn-hA@sti.net...
> > >
> > > I don't respect LVM for weighing 45kg (too little) and I don't respect
> her
> > > for weighing 85kg either (too much).
> > >
> > >
> take
> > > the middle road and weighed 65kg instead of going for the extremes.
IMO,
> > 85kg
> > > is a different symptom of the same disease as 45kg.
> > >
> > >
> > > Why can't people have a little self-discipline? It's not *that* hard.
> >
> > Are you serious? You really are an idiot on this one.
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> 85 kg is a fatass porker.
>
> I'll say it again:
>
>
> LVM is a Fattie.
LVM was a fattie for a short time when she was not racing seriously due to coming off anorexia.
There was a short stink that was out of her hands. She had no control over the way her body reacted
coming off years of Anorexia. Get a book on Anorexia and read up on it. You will learn something.
BTW, she only balooned up once like that in her career because of the disease. Other then that in
her early years as a amateur she was a fattie but not as a pro. Not from the 90's on.
I don't have problem with weight. You guys think with your senses instead of with your head. Is it
really that hard to pull away from the hog stalls. Stop stuffing yourself and eat sensibly. You
could teach a two year old how to do it. I can do 6-8 hour ride on nothing but water and cytomax,
and that's skipping breakfast too and I don't come home and stuff myself all night long like some of
the hogs here do. Fatties don't have any respect for your body. Pretty simple really for most of us
(if) you could only stick with it. Enough said.
B-
In article <i8_sb.865$m84.656534@news1.news.adelphia.net>, "Kurgan Gringioni"
<kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Bruce Johnston" <riposa@sti.net> wrote in message news:8r2dnc2UQesElymiRVn-hA@sti.net...
> > >
> > > I don't respect LVM for weighing 45kg (too little) and I don't respect her for weighing 85kg
> > > either (too much).
> > >
> > >
> > > take the middle road and weighed 65kg instead of going for the extremes. IMO, 85kg is a
> > > different symptom of the same disease as 45kg.
> > >
> > >
> > > Why can't people have a little self-discipline? It's not *that* hard.
> >
> > Are you serious? You really are an idiot on this one.
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> 85 kg is a fatass porker.
>
> I'll say it again:
>
>
> LVM is a Fattie.
I'm betting that he takes issue with your "self-discipline" comment. As B Weiner pointed out,
eating disorders aren't a matter of discipline, except, to a very small degree, being able to
recognize that one -has- a disorder and deciding to go get the appropriate psychological help.
LVM at 85kg? Not a pretty picture... I'm glad she's back somewhere in the middle of the range.
--
tanx, Howard
"Danger, you haven't seen the last of me!"
"No, but the first of you turns my stomach!"
Firesign Theatre
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
"Bruce Johnston" <riposa@sti.net> wrote in message news:gKudnbYJ7KqPHCmi4p2dnA@sti.net...
>
>
> LVM was a fattie for a short time when she was not racing seriously due to coming off anorexia.
> There was a short stink that was out of her hands. She had no control over the way her body
> reacted coming off years of Anorexia. Get a book on Anorexia and read up on it. You will learn
> something. BTW,
she
> only balooned up once like that in her career because of the disease. Other then that in her early
> years as a amateur she was a fattie but not as a
pro.
> Not from the 90's on.
>
> I don't have problem with weight. You guys think with your senses instead
of
> with your head. Is it really that hard to pull away from the hog stalls. Stop stuffing yourself
> and eat sensibly.
Dumbass -
I don't have a Fattie problem.
>You could teach a two year old how to do it. I can do 6-8 hour ride on nothing but water and
>cytomax, and that's skipping breakfast too and I don't come home and stuff myself all night long
>like some of the hogs here do. Fatties don't have any respect
for
> your body. Pretty simple really for most of us (if) you could only stick with it.
Perhaps you should tell that to LVM.
"Howard Kveck" <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in message
news:YOURhoward-A18E0F.23154413112003@netnews.attbi.com...
> >
> >
> > LVM is a Fattie.
>
> I'm betting that he takes issue with your "self-discipline" comment. As B Weiner pointed out,
> eating disorders aren't a matter of discipline, except, to a very small degree, being able to
> recognize that one -has- a disorder and deciding to go get the appropriate psychological help.
How can it be anything else?
The only one who can help the anorexic is the anorexic themselves - it is 100% psychological. If
anorexics weren't able to control themselves, then how do any of them recover?
Bruce Johnston wrote:
> I can do 6-8 hour ride on nothing but water and cytomax, and that's skipping breakfast too and I
> don't come home and stuff myself all night long like some of the hogs here
> do.
>
I don't believe you. Or rather, if you ride faster than 5 km/hr I don't believe you.
"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni.remove.it.for.mail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Bruce Johnston" <riposa@sti.net> wrote in message news:gKudnbYJ7KqPHCmi4p2dnA@sti.net...
> >
> >
> > LVM was a fattie for a short time when she was not racing seriously due
to
> > coming off anorexia. There was a short stink that was out of her hands.
She
> > had no control over the way her body reacted coming off years of
Anorexia.
> > Get a book on Anorexia and read up on it. You will learn something. BTW,
> she
> > only balooned up once like that in her career because of the disease.
Other
> > then that in her early years as a amateur she was a fattie but not as a
> pro.
> > Not from the 90's on.
> >
> > I don't have problem with weight. You guys think with your senses
instead
> of
> > with your head. Is it really that hard to pull away from the hog stalls. Stop stuffing yourself
> > and eat sensibly.
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
> I don't have a Fattie problem.
>
>
> >You could teach a two year old how to do it. I can do 6-8 hour ride on nothing but water and
> >cytomax, and that's skipping breakfast too and I don't come home and stuff myself all night long
> >like some of the hogs here do. Fatties don't have any respect
> for
> > your body. Pretty simple really for most of us (if) you could only stick with it.
>
>
> Perhaps you should tell that to LVM.
She is not a fattie right now with her excellent fitness but I do fear for her when she retires. I
understand her atitude (unlike Longo) reflects that she will quit cycling completely and become a
mom with lots of kids. They joke that they will take all her frames and cut them in half with a
hacksaw. LZ past shows that when she quits in the off season she gains weight quickly. I fear that
she will turn into a blob in her late 30's with all her kids and not ride anymore.
What a shame that would be. I do greatly respect Longo commitment to life long fitness.
B-
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