Buying mail order from Italy
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Another question about buying bike stuff from abroad.
I asked the question about buying mail order in the US and what type of duties and VAT I'd have to
pay to get them sent to me, I've worked out that if I actually get charged the 17.5% + the 3.5%
customs fee than I'm no better off. Damn. Suppose I could always risk ordering...
Anyway, after looking at the customs and excise website
http://www.hmce.gov.uk/forms/notices/143.htm#P172_10319 which was so kindly supplied by a poster, I
notice that importing from inside the EU doesn't attract these charges.
Is that correct?
If I mail order something from italy will I not have to pay any extra fees other than postage and
packaging?
I'd assume that Campag is cheaper in the country its made than here, so can anyone offer any links
to some Italian (or other EC) sites or business that I might be able to buy record and chorus
stuff from?
cheers in advance!
Me wrote:
> If I mail order something from italy will I not have to pay any extra fees other than postage and
> packaging?
That's correct AFAIK, and I haven't been charged any extra fees for the my small EU orders.
> I'd assume that Campag is cheaper in the country its made than here, so can anyone offer any links
> to some Italian (or other EC) sites or business that I might be able to buy record and chorus
> stuff from?
You'd think so but Italian prices aren't that cheap. I doubt you'll find any that can beat UK prices
for Campag when shipping is taken into account. I'd love to be proved wrong on this one!
Other ways to economise include getting some older components (that are actually as good as the
current ones); mixed components instead of complete groupset; eBay deals (unused stuff).
~PB
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 20:07:59 +0000, Me wrote:
> Another question about buying bike stuff from abroad. If I mail order something from italy will I
> not have to pay any extra fees other than postage and packaging?
No, we are in the EU, so no extra taxes/duties when importing from another EU Country.
> I'd assume that Campag is cheaper in the country its made than here,
I'm not sure you'll find stuff cheaper from Italy.A chap I know went to Italy regularly, and never
bought stuff there, as it was cheaper getting it mail-order from Parker International et al here I
was in the Czech Rep. last Summer, and went into a few bike shops looking for some 'Tufo' tyres
which are made there (what with it being a 'poor' ex-communist Country I thought they may be a bit
cheaper), but the prices there were twice what I pay for them here. Alan.
--
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Me wrote:
> If I mail order something from italy will I not have to pay any extra fees other than postage and
> packaging?
That's correct AFAIK, and I haven't been charged any extra fees for the my small EU orders.
> I'd assume that Campag is cheaper in the country its made than here, so can anyone offer any links
> to some Italian (or other EC) sites or business that I might be able to buy record and chorus
> stuff from?
You'd think so but Italian prices aren't that cheap. I doubt you'll find any that can beat UK prices
for Campag when shipping is taken into account. I'd love to be proved wrong on this one!
Other ways to economise include getting some older components (that are actually as good as the
current ones); mixed components instead of complete groupset; eBay deals (unused stuff).
~PB
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 20:07:59 +0000, Me wrote:
> Another question about buying bike stuff from abroad. If I mail order something from italy will I
> not have to pay any extra fees other than postage and packaging?
No, we are in the EU, so no extra taxes/duties when importing from another EU Country.
> I'd assume that Campag is cheaper in the country its made than here,
I'm not sure you'll find stuff cheaper from Italy.A chap I know went to Italy regularly, and never
bought stuff there, as it was cheaper getting it mail-order from Parker International et al here I
was in the Czech Rep. last Summer, and went into a few bike shops looking for some 'Tufo' tyres
which are made there (what with it being a 'poor' ex-communist Country I thought they may be a bit
cheaper), but the prices there were twice what I pay for them here. Alan.
--
To reply by e-mail, change the 'minus' to 'plus'. http://www.dvatc.co.uk (http://www.dvatc.co.uk/) - Off-road cycling in the
North Midlands.
"Me" <no@nohotmail.com> wrote in message news:3fd10fe9@news.greennet.net...
> Another question about buying bike stuff from abroad.
>
> I asked the question about buying mail order in the US and what type of duties and VAT I'd have to
> pay to get them sent to me, I've worked out
that
> if I actually get charged the 17.5% + the 3.5% customs fee than I'm no better off. Damn. Suppose I
> could always risk ordering...
>
VAT is not 17.5% in all European countries. I bought something from Ireland and I think I was
charged 21% VAT. I don't know what the rate is in Italy.
Mark Burch
Me wrote:
> If I mail order something from italy will I not have to pay any extra fees other than postage and
> packaging?
That's correct AFAIK, and I haven't been charged any extra fees for the my small EU orders.
> I'd assume that Campag is cheaper in the country its made than here, so can anyone offer any links
> to some Italian (or other EC) sites or business that I might be able to buy record and chorus
> stuff from?
You'd think so but Italian prices aren't that cheap. I doubt you'll find any that can beat UK prices
for Campag when shipping is taken into account. I'd love to be proved wrong on this one!
Other ways to economise include getting some older components (that are actually as good as the
current ones); mixed components instead of complete groupset; eBay deals (unused stuff).
~PB
"Me" <no@nohotmail.com> wrote in message news:3fd10fe9@news.greennet.net...
> Another question about buying bike stuff from abroad.
>
> I asked the question about buying mail order in the US and what type of duties and VAT I'd have to
> pay to get them sent to me, I've worked out
that
> if I actually get charged the 17.5% + the 3.5% customs fee than I'm no better off. Damn. Suppose I
> could always risk ordering...
>
VAT is not 17.5% in all European countries. I bought something from Ireland and I think I was
charged 21% VAT. I don't know what the rate is in Italy.
Mark Burch
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 20:07:59 +0000, Me wrote:
> Another question about buying bike stuff from abroad. If I mail order something from italy will I
> not have to pay any extra fees other than postage and packaging?
No, we are in the EU, so no extra taxes/duties when importing from another EU Country.
> I'd assume that Campag is cheaper in the country its made than here,
I'm not sure you'll find stuff cheaper from Italy.A chap I know went to Italy regularly, and never
bought stuff there, as it was cheaper getting it mail-order from Parker International et al here I
was in the Czech Rep. last Summer, and went into a few bike shops looking for some 'Tufo' tyres
which are made there (what with it being a 'poor' ex-communist Country I thought they may be a bit
cheaper), but the prices there were twice what I pay for them here. Alan.
--
To reply by e-mail, change the 'minus' to 'plus'. http://www.dvatc.co.uk (http://www.dvatc.co.uk/) - Off-road cycling in the
North Midlands.
"Me" <no@nohotmail.com> wrote in message news:3fd10fe9@news.greennet.net...
> Another question about buying bike stuff from abroad.
>
> I asked the question about buying mail order in the US and what type of duties and VAT I'd have to
> pay to get them sent to me, I've worked out
that
> if I actually get charged the 17.5% + the 3.5% customs fee than I'm no better off. Damn. Suppose I
> could always risk ordering...
>
VAT is not 17.5% in all European countries. I bought something from Ireland and I think I was
charged 21% VAT. I don't know what the rate is in Italy.
Mark Burch
"Mark Burch" <burchdelete@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1070659145.16178.0@eunomia.uk.clara.net...
> VAT is not 17.5% in all European countries. I bought something from
Ireland
> and I think I was charged 21% VAT. I don't know what the rate is in Italy.
>
> Mark Burch
>
>
VAT in Italy is 20%
--
Pete. Derby UK
Me wrote:
> Another question about buying bike stuff from abroad.
>
> I asked the question about buying mail order in the US and what type of duties and VAT I'd have to
> pay to get them sent to me, I've worked out that if I actually get charged the 17.5% + the 3.5%
> customs fee than I'm no better off. Damn. Suppose I could always risk ordering...
>
> Anyway, after looking at the customs and excise website
> http://www.hmce.gov.uk/forms/notices/143.htm#P172_10319 which was so kindly supplied by a poster,
> I notice that importing from inside the EU doesn't attract these charges.
>
> Is that correct?
>
> If I mail order something from italy will I not have to pay any extra fees other than postage and
> packaging?
>
> I'd assume that Campag is cheaper in the country its made than here, so can anyone offer any links
> to some Italian (or other EC) sites or business that I might be able to buy record and chorus
> stuff from?
True provided you don't get gouged on the postage and packing. Bianchi do some interesting stuff in
team celeste colour (Flite saddle anyone?) but although they are cheaper than Settle Cycles, the
postage is outrageous. I sent 6 tyres to Germany last week and it was only about 9 quid; Bianchi's
charges are about 3 or 4 times that for a smaller and lighter package.
"Me" <no@nohotmail.com> writes:
> Another question about buying bike stuff from abroad.
>
> I asked the question about buying mail order in the US and what type of duties and VAT I'd have to
> pay to get them sent to me, I've worked out that if I actually get charged the 17.5% + the 3.5%
> customs fee than I'm no better off. Damn. Suppose I could always risk ordering...
>
> Anyway, after looking at the customs and excise website
> http://www.hmce.gov.uk/forms/notices/143.htm#P172_10319 which was so kindly supplied by a poster,
> I notice that importing from inside the EU doesn't attract these charges.
>
> Is that correct?
Yes. That's what the European Union started as - a free trade area.
> If I mail order something from italy will I not have to pay any extra fees other than postage and
> packaging?
You'll have to pay Italian VAT. Whether that's more or less than UK VAT I don't know.
--
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;; 'I think we should trust our president in every decision ;; that he makes and we should
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Zog The Undeniable scribed with passion and wit:
> Me wrote:
>
>> Another question about buying bike stuff from abroad.
>>
>> I asked the question about buying mail order in the US and what type of duties and VAT I'd have
>> to pay to get them sent to me, I've worked out that if I actually get charged the 17.5% + the
>> 3.5% customs fee than I'm no better off. Damn. Suppose I could always risk ordering...
>>
>> Anyway, after looking at the customs and excise website
>> http://www.hmce.gov.uk/forms/notices/143.htm#P172_10319 which was so kindly supplied by a poster,
>> I notice that importing from inside the EU doesn't attract these charges.
>>
>> Is that correct?
>>
>> If I mail order something from italy will I not have to pay any extra fees other than postage and
>> packaging?
>>
>> I'd assume that Campag is cheaper in the country its made than here, so can anyone offer any
>> links to some Italian (or other EC) sites or business that I might be able to buy record and
>> chorus stuff from?
>
> True provided you don't get gouged on the postage and packing. Bianchi do some interesting stuff
> in team celeste colour (Flite saddle anyone?) but although they are cheaper than Settle Cycles,
> the postage is outrageous. I sent 6 tyres to Germany last week and it was only about 9 quid;
> Bianchi's charges are about 3 or 4 times that for a smaller and lighter package.
>
Technically you can still be charged for VAT, but there is no duty as the goods are moving between
EU countries, in most cases the VAT is not requested because the cost incurred by customs trying to
collect it can be far greater than the amount involved.
--
Ian
http://www.catrike.co.uk (http://www.catrike.co.uk/)
In message <BBF75430.18655%spamandchips@greasy.joes>, Ian <spamandchips@greasy.joes> writes
>> Me wrote:
>>
>>> Another question about buying bike stuff from abroad.
>>>
>>> I asked the question about buying mail order in the US and what type of duties and VAT I'd have
>>> to pay to get them sent to me, I've worked out that if I actually get charged the 17.5% + the
>>> 3.5% customs fee than I'm no better off. Damn. Suppose I could always risk ordering...
>>>
>>> Anyway, after looking at the customs and excise website
>>> http://www.hmce.gov.uk/forms/notices/143.htm#P172_10319 which was so kindly supplied by a
>>> poster, I notice that importing from inside the EU doesn't attract these charges.
>>>
>Technically you can still be charged for VAT, but there is no duty as the goods are moving between
>EU countries, in most cases the VAT is not requested because the cost incurred by customs trying to
>collect it can be far greater than the amount involved.
But surely if I buy something from say Germany online I am charged German VAT at the point
of purchase.
Where does C&E get involved?
--
Chris French, Leeds
chris French wrote:
>> Technically you can still be charged for VAT, but there is no duty as the goods are moving
>> between EU countries, in most cases the VAT is not requested because the cost incurred by customs
>> trying to collect it can be far greater than the amount involved.
>
> But surely if I buy something from say Germany online I am charged German VAT at the point of
> purchase.
>
> Where does C&E get involved?
It doesn't. You are correct in that wherever you buy it for personal use in Europe you pay the local
VAT at the point of purchase and are then free to move the good around within Europe as you wish.
Tony
Mail order everything from Germany. They are best organised for mail order and have one of the lower
VAT rates in Europe, and the cheapest freight rates. Also, you are unlikely to get ripped off by
Germans. I'd avoid buying from Italy - it is one of the most expensive coutnries in Europe, and
having lived in both Germany and Italy for quite a few years I'd rather pay up front to a German
mail order company any day.
I'd second that - i don't understand why German freight rates are so much cheaper than everywhere
else in Europe. I live in France and it is cheaper for me to buy mail order (for bike spares and
lots of other stuff too) from Germany than it is to buy from France. Germany rocks for mail order -
they're streets ahead of the rest of Europe. UK is well organised but if on the continent suffers
from being an island and not being in Euro zone.
"chris French" <newspost-c@familyfrench.co.uk> wrote in message
news:lAnyPOvQcb0$MwBD@familyfrench.co.uk...
>
> But surely if I buy something from say Germany online I am charged German VAT at the point of
> purchase.
>
Yes but German VAT is less than UK (still 17.5%)?
Ric wrote:
>
> Also, you are unlikely to get ripped off by Germans.
>
On one ski trip to Garmisch:
- the girls wooden toboggan went missing. We found it in the rental stock of a local shop - it had
our names clearly burnt into the wood on the top surface so was hard to miss
- a restaurant put the same meal through my credit card on two different days
- the furnicular sold us tickets before informing us it was closed and they didn't do refunds
- the hotel sent us an additional bill through the tourist information office. When we enquired what
it was for they said we had deceived them about our childrens ages and since they were over 7
years we had to pay extra room charges for them. The girls at the time were 2 years old!
You are just as likely to get ripped off by Germans IME
Tony
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