Jose-Maria Jimenez

[Graham]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/dec03/dec08news

[Tony Raven]

Graham wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/dec03/dec08news

Saw that last night from Reuters on Yahoo but the report there implied that it was a consequence of
his depression. The Reuters seems to be a better sourced article from reading it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=reu-jimenez&prov=reuters&type=lgns

Tony

[Just zis Guy]

"Tony Raven" <junk@raven-family.com> wrote in message
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> Saw that last night from Reuters on Yahoo but the report there implied
that it
> was a consequence of his depression. The Reuters seems to be a better sourced article from
> reading it.

Depression has a nasty habit of lying dormant for a bit and then coming back with a
vengeance. Sad news.

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[James Hodson]

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:24:19 +0000 (UTC), "Graham" <gtg74@btinternetDOT.com> wrote:

>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/dec03/dec08news
>

I hadn't seen this thread when I posted my own "Dead pro-cyclist: Monday, 08/12/2003" comment
yesterday.

In todays DM there was an page with the header "Drugs In Sport" - Dwain Chambers was mentioned
elsewhere. The specific headline regarding Jimenez was "Is he a victim of bloodsport on wheels?"

Here's a scan of the article <http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.butty/jimenez.jpg> (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.butty/jimenez.jpg)

James

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[Tony Raven]

James Hodson wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:24:19 +0000 (UTC), "Graham" <gtg74@btinternetDOT.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/dec03/dec08news
>>
>
> I hadn't seen this thread when I posted my own "Dead pro-cyclist: Monday, 08/12/2003" comment
> yesterday.
>
> In todays DM there was an page with the header "Drugs In Sport" - Dwain Chambers was mentioned
> elsewhere. The specific headline regarding Jimenez was "Is he a victim of bloodsport on wheels?"
>
> Here's a scan of the article <http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.butty/jimenez.jpg> (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.butty/jimenez.jpg)
>

Since he hasn't trained for a couple of years I would guess that it is unlikely to be any of the
things that the Daily Mail hints at. AFAIK the risks with EPO etc arise when you are taking it but
would have dissipated long ago in an out of circulation rider.

Tony

[Just zis Guy]

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:08:55 -0000, "Tony Raven" <junk@raven-family.com> wrote:

>> In todays DM there was an page with the header "Drugs In Sport" regarding Jimenez was "Is he a
>> victim of bloodsport on wheels?"

>Since he hasn't trained for a couple of years I would guess that it is unlikely to be any of the
>things that the Daily Mail hints at. AFAIK the risks with EPO etc arise when you are taking it but
>would have dissipated long ago in an out of circulation rider.

Well you wouldn't expect the Mail to get it right would you? ;-)

I read it as most likely an overdose or some such, given the reactions of Them As Knew Him, but what
do I know? I'm just a cyclist with depression.

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[James Hodson]

On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:08:55 -0000, "Tony Raven" <junk@raven-family.com> wrote:

>Since he hasn't trained for a couple of years I would guess that it is unlikely to be any of the
>things that the Daily Mail hints at. AFAIK the risks with EPO etc arise when you are taking it but
>would have dissipated long ago in an out of circulation rider.

Hi Tony

Quite possibly. However, several cyclists have died young. I'm a tad older than 32 and have suffered
from mild depression myself. My feeling down in the dumps hasn't yet killed me, although my elevated
BP might do so as and when.

James

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[Chris Bardell]

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> wrote in
news:ig9ctvcfpt6uff4iig7puj847abn1bkjjk@4ax.com:

> Well you wouldn't expect the Mail to get it right would you? ;-)

I read that article today (colleague's copy, I hasten to add). Tired, lazy rehash of various old
stories, mainly about EPO. Couple of quotes from 'Rough Ride' & 'Breaking the Chain', plus bons mots
from assorted cyclists of yesteryear.

A half-hour's work, if that. Then a sub-editor bungs on a hysterical headline ('bloodsport on
wheels', etc). Hey presto - a Daily Mail 'article' is born.

Notice also the strapline bit at the top of the page: "DRUGS IN SPORT". Jumping to
conclusions, perhaps?

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[James Hodson]

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 19:45:59 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> wrote:

>Well you wouldn't expect the Mail to get it right would you? ;-)
>

I feel I must state "Oi!" at this point. :-/

>I read it as most likely an overdose or some such, given the reactions of Them As Knew Him, but
>what do I know? I'm just a cyclist with depression.
>

Tis strange how maw many don't read the DM but seem to manage to glean articles from that rag.

Well I get up at seven yeah and I go to work at nine I got no time for livin' yeah I'm workin
all the time.

Ho hum etc. James

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[Just zis Guy]

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:16:49 +0000, James Hodson <jUNDERSCOREhodson@ntlworld.com.invalid> wrote:

>I feel I must state "Oi!" at this point. :-/

Note the smiley, mate.

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[Just zis Guy]

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 20:10:29 +0000, James Hodson <jUNDERSCOREhodson@ntlworld.com.invalid> wrote:

>Quite possibly. However, several cyclists have died young. I'm a tad older than 32 and have
>suffered from mild depression myself. My feeling down in the dumps hasn't yet killed me, although
>my elevated BP might do so as and when.

Um, mild depression is Not Serious. I hope you never get the not-mild version. Mine isn't that bad,
but it can be pretty bleak at times. I can quite see how it could cause people to top themselves.

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[James Hodson]

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:59:31 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
<outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:16:49 +0000, James Hodson <jUNDERSCOREhodson@ntlworld.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>I feel I must state "Oi!" at this point. :-/
>
>Note the smiley, mate.
>

I saw it. I still felt like saying "Oi!" - habbit of a life time etc.

I'm more worried about how those few Rush lyrics got pasted in FreeAgent rather than Eudora.

James

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