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Frkrygow
  
Frank Knox wrote:

> Bicycling Mag. isn't what it used to be, but I would rather have it than nothing.

We could propose that as a motto for Bicycling's masthead: "It's better than nothing."

Hmm... if we send that in as a letter to the editor, do you think they'll pull one of the gushing
letters of praise to print it? ;-)

I like Rivendell's publications. The current "Hiawathan" version of their catalog is such a neat
thing. <sigh> Too bad about the prices, though.

If sophisticated touring bikes from 1930s - 1950s sound interesting, you might like Vintage Bicycle
Quarterly. Lots of neat Daniel Rebour sketches showing elegant, practical details.

Cycling Plus is very good, I think. <sigh> Too bad about the prices, though.

I guess, when I want to read about bikes, I tend to read books and the internet.

--
Frank Krygowski [To reply, omit what's between "at" and "cc"]

Tom Kunich
  
"MP" <Schlabotnik@DELETESPAMmail.com> wrote in message
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> Well, there's the Rivendell Reader, which is only quarterly, and doesn't have a lot of
> articles, but usually has one or two that are pretty interesting. They have a number of
> articles posted on line,
so
> you can get the idea before subscribing. http://www.rivendellbicycles.com/html/reader.html
>
> Subscribing also means that they will charge you $5.00 less per item if you order stuff from them.
> Granted, some of their prices are fairly high anyway. I've bought a Carradice saddle bag and a few
> other small items from them, but they don't have much more that I want. I do like the "Reader",
> but haven't decided yet if it's worth continuing the subscription.

More importantly, the Reader is written by real bicyclists. Grant is a pretty good guy and most of
the articles are decent even if they aren't in my interests.

Tom Kunich
  
"Pete" <ptr@usaf.com> wrote in message
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> "Kevan Smith" <Kevan@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
> news:lqu1vvgic78mafh9mgc5jla4sksbb3g9gb@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 03:48:31 GMT, "Pete" <ptr@usaf.com> from Road
Runner
> > High Speed Online http://www.rr.com (http://www.rr.com/) wrote:
> > >"Kevan Smith" <Kevan@mouse-potato.com> wrote
> > >
> > >> Stay away from Bicycling magazine published by Rodale. It
blows.
> > >
> > >That's what my kids got me for xmas. I gritted my teeth, smiled,
and said
> > >'thanks, dudes'.
> >
> > Well, at least you'll have lots of nice pictures of expensive gear
to look
> > at.
>
> And cars. 7 pages of car ads, out of 91.
>
> Although it DID have a nice one pager on a 4 wheel couch bike.

And it has such journalists they can get up to 20 words to the article before running out
of ability.

Tom Kunich
  
"Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote in message
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> In article <0c42vv8fb51raha775hromtfbntdn22cqo@4ax.com>, MP
> <Schlabotnik@DELETESPAMmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 05:20:24 GMT, "Pete" <ptr@usaf.com> wrote:
> >
> > >"Kevan Smith" <Kevan@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
> > >news:lqu1vvgic78mafh9mgc5jla4sksbb3g9gb@4ax.com...
> > >> On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 03:48:31 GMT, "Pete" <ptr@usaf.com> from
Road Runner
> > >High
> > >> Speed Online http://www.rr.com (http://www.rr.com/) wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >"Kevan Smith" <Kevan@mouse-potato.com> wrote
> > >> >
> > >> >> Stay away from Bicycling magazine published by Rodale. It
blows.
> > >> >
> > >> >That's what my kids got me for xmas. I gritted my teeth,
smiled, and said
> > >> >'thanks, dudes'.
>
> > >Although it DID have a nice one pager on a 4 wheel couch bike.
> > >
> > >Pete
>
> > I got an included subscription to Bicycling when I joined the
L.A.B.
> > (I know, that's likely to start another argument). I used to read
it
> > years ago, and was quite surprised at how bad it is now. I'm not
sure
> > what bothers me more, the fact that it has so little real content,
or
> > it's assumption that all it's readers are rich yuppies who can
blow
> > thousands on bikes and equipment.
> >
> > MP
>
> I like making fun of Bicycling as much as anyone, and indeed briefly considered doing a regular
> report on the most-recently claimed
ratios of
> the effect of weight on the bike or the wheels versus the body (the typical formulation is some
> pseudoscientific tossed-off comment in
an
> article like "a gram on the wheels is worth three on the bike"). It turns out they don't do this
> quite often enough to make tracking it interesting.
>
> Now to the good stuff. First off, a newbie could do worse than to
read
> Bicycling. Most of the advice is credible, and their reader tips routinely impress me as being
> worth trying. Their exercise advice
seems
> pretty mainstream (do intervals to go faster, build base miles,
etc.) if
> a bit repetitive. The only really dreadful bit is their road-test analyses of the qualities of
> frame materials (Though I remember
reading
> back issues in high school, and thought at that time they were
putting
> frames on a fairly impressive-sounding jig that tested frame flex at various points. What
> happened?)
>
> But in the last six months or so, I have read (I don't subscribe,
but I
> mooch at the supermarket magazine rack like crazy) several very,
very
> good feature articles in their pages. They had an amazing article on Graeme Obree, the ill-starred
> one-time hour record holder and
monster
> TTer. They did a very nice report on the world's biggest road race,
held
> in South Africa. They did an interesting, though somewhat flawed
article
> on an idea they came up with and followed through on: they gave 50 people in Portland, ME a half-
> decent Trek hybrid, and then followed
up
> on them periodically to see what happened. The stories were
fascinating.
> As you might expect, many of the 50 seemed to just have excuses for
why
> they weren't riding their nice new bike, and some just ended up
toodling
> around the block once in a while (but isn't that enough for some?),
but
> one rider basically started a block bike ride because of his new
bike.
> One rider lost a bunch of weight in time for her wedding. One family
got
> a couple of the bikes, and rode all over the place. They did article-size profiles of a great
> number of the riders, and had
sidebar
> capsules on almost everyone.
>
> I gave them credit just for trying such a mad idea, even if I
thought it
> was a bit silly.
>
> Bicycling has a lot of dorky features, starting with Style Man
(though I
> think he's just Fabrizio Mazzoleni's day job) and ending with the
goofy
> back-page grid thingy, and at its worst the whole rag comes off as
Cosmo
> on two wheels and with fewer ads, but the feature articles I have checked out lately have been
> surprisingly good.

I have the October, November and December issues which were given to me and I sure don't see many
"good" articles. I'll have to go back through them but for sure the old days with 10 long articles
in a magazine are long gone.

Zippy The Pinhe
  
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:07:38 -0500, "frkrygow"
<"frkrygow"@omitcc.ysu.edu> wrote:

>We could propose that as a motto for Bicycling's masthead: "It's better than nothing."
>
>Hmm... if we send that in as a letter to the editor, do you think they'll pull one of the gushing
>letters of praise to print it? ;-)

No. They'd probably make it the "Letter of the Month" and give you a prize. Probably some BioPace
chainrings and one of those nice saddles -- waddayacallem -- you know, with one platform for each
buttock, and hinges.

Dennis P. Harri
  
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:54:20 GMT in rec.bicycles.misc, "Frank
Knox" <jmkfmk@removeearthlink.net> wrote:

> Bicycling Mag. isn't what it used to be, but I would rather have it than nothing.

Not me! Rodale makes far more money from selling their subscriber lists than they do from
subscriptions or advertising. They are one of the best known list vendors to the direct mail
industry, and were pioneers in the field.

You'd think that a direct mail pioneer company like that would honor a subscriber's repeated
requests to NOT share my name and address with anyone, but noooooo... same old Rodale that publishes
"Organic Gardening", generating tones of junk mail by selling their list.

Not only did they sell my name to unlimited numbers of junk mailers, they started dunning me with
renewal offers *before* the first issue of a one year subscription arrived! i'll never subscribe to
a rodale anything again. if i buy their books, it won't be from them, either.

Fabrizio Mazzol
  
"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote in message >
> I'm not a pro, I want something for the average joe

Sometimes I think we will never weed out those 'types' from our sport!

Billy Bigelow
  
"Fabrizio Mazzoleni" <chipomarc@yahoo.com>
> "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote in message >
> > I'm not a pro, I want something for the average joe
>
> Sometimes I think we will never weed out those 'types' from our sport!

Your sport. The Gay Olympics.

Regards,

Zoot Katz
  
30 Dec 2003 22:14:10 -0800,
<70944b7b.0312302214.2018fa1@posting.google.com>, chipomarc@yahoo.com
The perennial (Fabrizio Mazzoleni) wrote:

>"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote in message >
>> I'm not a pro, I want something for the average joe
>
>Sometimes I think we will never weed out those 'types' from our sport!

Lots of pictures and not too many big words!

http://www.velovision.co.uk/mag/downloads.html
--
zk

Frank Krygowski
  
Dennis P. Harris wrote:
>
> Not only did they sell my name to unlimited numbers of junk mailers, they started dunning me with
> renewal offers *before* the first issue of a one year subscription arrived!

They treated me worse than that. I got the first renewal notice at _least_ six months before my
subscription was up. I decided to check "yes" on the first renewal request and send it back in, to
save them postage on the usual 15 "Your subscription is almost over!!!!" notices.

Well, despite my subscription having six months remaining, they immediately began sending me bills,
with each one containing a more insistent letter, demanding I pay. This got me mad. I thought
"Forget it. I'll pay when my subscription is actually expired."

By the time that occurred, they were threatening to turn my account over to a collection agency
and ruin my credit rating. This was over payment for a subscription renewal that hadn't started
yet! It was ugly.

That's when I started reading the rag in the library.

--
Frank Krygowski [To reply, omit what's between "at" and "cc"]

Reenie
  
Thanks for all the suggestions. I really hadn't realised there were so many!! I have to confess that
I think the subscription is more for me than my husband. So I looked in Borders, as someone
suggested, and very much liked the look of Cycling Plus. I'm actually English (living in the US) -
and so this one was particuarly appealing. I also came across another British magazine 'Cycling
Weekly' - this was the New Year edition, and was really quite good. Someone also mentioned an East
Coast magazine 'The Ride' - which also looks great... decisions, decisions. Though I'm sure you
can't have too many bike magazines!

Thanks again.

Reenie

> > Cycling Plus is decent:
> >
> >
> http://www.futurenet.com/futureonline/magazines/issues.asp?id=12&div=4
> >
> > There's also Asphalt:
> >
> > http://www.asphaltmag.com/index.htm
> >
> >
> > --
> > xrinafzvgu23@lnubb.pbz Get your neck massaged. 59
>
> Cycling Plus is good, though oriented toward UK cycling. I think it's better on touring and
> general cycling than any of the US mags. It costs about $5 an issue to subscribe to if you live
> in the US.

Zippy The Pinhe
  
On 31 Dec 2003 06:17:05 -0800, reenie@mailandnews.com (Reenie) wrote:

>I'm actually English

So, you've been faking us out all this time, and now the truth comes out...

Mp
  
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:24:05 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <tkunich@earthlink.net>
wrote:

(snippage)
>I have the October, November and December issues which were given to me and I sure don't see many
>"good" articles. I'll have to go back through them but for sure the old days with 10 long articles
>in a magazine are long gone.

Yes, that's just it. It isn't that there are no good articles at all, but that there is at most one
article worth reading per issue.

IMHO as always.

Happy New Year!

MP

Tom Kunich
  
"Billy Bigelow" <nomail@thank.you> wrote in message
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> "Fabrizio Mazzoleni" <chipomarc@yahoo.com>
> > "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote in message >
> > > I'm not a pro, I want something for the average joe
> >
> > Sometimes I think we will never weed out those 'types' from our sport!
>
> Your sport. The Gay Olympics.

Everyone is so jealous of Fabrizio!

Reenie
  
Ah, but I do live in the States, now!

Reenie
>
> >I'm actually English
>
> So, you've been faking us out all this time, and now the truth comes out...

Jeremy Parker
  
"Reenie" <reenie@mailandnews.com> wrote in message
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> Do any of you subscribe to any cycling magazines, and, if so, which ones are particularly good.
> I'm thinking of getting a subscription for my husband... any specific thoughts in regard to 'Pro-
> Cycling' magazine?
>

I second the recommendations for Cycling Plus, and Adventure Cyclist. I would also highly recommend
"Cycle", the magazine that comes free if you join Britain's Cyclists' Touring Club. The mag' comes
out every two months, and I think is better than Cycling Plus, or any commercial magazine, and is
less specialized than Adventure Cycling. See www.ctc.org.uk for more about the CTC, which might be
almost worth joining for its own sake, even if you live in the USA, especially now that the LAB is
degrading so spectacularly.

Jeremy Parker

Just Zis Guy
  
On 29 Dec 2003 11:57:00 -0800, reenie@mailandnews.com (Reenie) wrote:

>Do any of you subscribe to any cycling magazines, and, if so, which ones are particularly good.

I subscribe to Velovision (full of non-standard bikes, folders, recumbents, that kind of thing) and
Cycle which is the magazine of the UK's Cyclists' Touring Club.

Both are great. But prolly not what you were looking for ;-)

Guy
===
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://chapmancentral.demon.co.uk (http://chapmancentral.demon.co.uk/)

Ryan Cousineau
  
In article <na46vvca4h9ohmimph6tkta0aa3qsp5snh@4ax.com>,
MP <Schlabotnik@DELETESPAMmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:24:05 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <tkunich@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> (snippage)
> >I have the October, November and December issues which were given to me and I sure don't see many
> >"good" articles. I'll have to go back through them but for sure the old days with 10 long
> >articles in a magazine are long gone.
>
> Yes, that's just it. It isn't that there are no good articles at all, but that there is at most
> one article worth reading per issue.

That's not quite fair. Bicycling follows a pretty simple formula, similar to most buff books: a
new-product/news/gossip section up front, a bunch of product tests in the middle, and the
feature section.

For new cyclists, I would say that most of the magazine will be in some way constructively
informative. The tests are mediocre, the back page is bizarre, but the training and bike-handling
advice is acceptable.

The feature section deserves special praise for rising above the usual "I went to fabulous
destination X and did this magazine's featured activity there."

_Bicycling_ isn't great, but it's the only national general-interest bike magazine around. it could
be much worse, and the features are surprisingly good. That's worth noting, especially given the
conventional wisdom that it's not worth the paper it's printed on.

--
Ryan Cousineau, rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.sfu.ca/~rcousine President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

Ken
  
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote in news:rcousine-467D5E.01011005012004
@morgoth.sfu.ca:
> That's not quite fair. Bicycling follows a pretty simple formula, similar to most buff books: a
> new-product/news/gossip section up front, a bunch of product tests in the middle, and the feature
> section.
>
> For new cyclists, I would say that most of the magazine will be in some way constructively
> informative.

I have no problem with their formula (that's their choice), but the writing is so mediocre and
shallow that I doubt that even new cyclists will learn much from the magazine.

Kerry
  
"Ken" <nospam@no.no> wrote in message
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> Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote in
news:rcousine-467D5E.01011005012004
> @morgoth.sfu.ca:
> > That's not quite fair. Bicycling follows a pretty simple formula, similar to most buff books: a
> > new-product/news/gossip section up front, a bunch of product tests in the middle, and the
> > feature section.
> >
> > For new cyclists, I would say that most of the magazine will be in some way constructively
> > informative.
>
> I have no problem with their formula (that's their choice), but the
writing
> is so mediocre and shallow that I doubt that even new cyclists will learn much from the magazine.

After a 2-year hiatus, I am trying Bicycling Magazine again. I swore that I never would, in fact, I
wrote the editor last time and complained about the writing, writing style, and the "USA-Today"
style format since apparently they believe most of us have the attention span of a Game Cube-playing
10-year old.

Unfortunately, it is the only US rag which does not focus on racing.

I really like the newsletter for RoadBikeRider.com. If only they put out a hardcopy version. The
guys that write for RBR (Pavelka and Matheny and now Langley) do it well without the overkill.
Yeah, I could do without the plugs for all the books, but the content is good and they write well.
If you ask me, Bicycling magazine was at its prime in the mid to late 80s when these guys were
contributing editors.

I bet they would have a great following with the cycling baby-boom generation if they went to press.

My 2 cents.

Kerry

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