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Hello
I recently graduated from medical school in Europe. I plan on applying for Phd/ residency in Canada.
- I was told that here in Europe, if I wanted to do Phd - that the duration would be 3 years and
that it would have less weightage than if I was to do Phd after I finished my residency. Now is
this the same case if I was to apply for Phd in Canada?
- Another question is if I was to do Phd now and then apply for residency would it help me in any
way later to get a residency position. Or in other words how would it be helpful to me.
- Is there a difference if i was to do residency now and then a Phd later?
- what kind of a job/ career can I look forward to if i do both Phd and Residency.
I am not in contact with anyone who can adive me on Phd, since non of my classmates have done this.
Therefore I would be grateful if someone can give me some advice on this matter.
Thank you.
CC
On 4 Jan 2004 09:48:00 -0800, cdexterc79@yahoo.com (birdie) wrote:
>Hello
>
>I recently graduated from medical school in Europe. I plan on applying for Phd/ residency
>in Canada.
>- Is there a difference if i was to do residency now and then a Phd later?
Sure. If you do your residency first and get a medical license, you can get a job as a
physician or a researcher.. Always nice to have the practice option--the money is better and
you have a little more job security. Besides which, you can do science without getting the
PhD at all.
>- what kind of a job/ career can I look forward to if i do both Phd and Residency.
The PhD _might_ help you get an academic job, maybe. But lots of MD reseachers don't have PhD's.
The main thing seems to be some kind of doctoral degree.
BTW, I'm an MD, PhD.
Dr P
Peter H. Proctor <drp@drproctor.com> wrote in message news:<kd6t10tdhllak0g923edaomnfc22d86762@4ax.com>...
> On 4 Jan 2004 09:48:00 -0800, cdexterc79@yahoo.com (birdie) wrote:
>
> >Hello
> >
> >I recently graduated from medical school in Europe. I plan on applying for Phd/ residency in
> >Canada.
>
> >- Is there a difference if i was to do residency now and then a Phd later?
>
> Sure. If you do your residency first and get a medical license, you can get a job as a
> physician or a researcher.. Always nice to have the practice option--the money is better
> and you have a little more job security. Besides which, you can do science without getting
> the PhD at all.
>
> >- what kind of a job/ career can I look forward to if i do both Phd and Residency.
>
> The PhD _might_ help you get an academic job, maybe. But lots of MD reseachers don't have PhD's.
> The main thing seems to be some kind of doctoral degree.
>
> BTW, I'm an MD, PhD.
>
> Dr P
Firstly I want to thank you for taking your time to reply to my post, I thought no one will
ever reply :)
Can I ask what made you chose to do a Phd after your MD ( or did you specialise first and then do
the Phd?). The reason why I thought of doing Phd is cause of the things I have heard about getting
into a residency program in Canada for a IMG are discouraging. So I thought as a back up.
ALso when they say a Phd takes 3 years, does it really take 3 years? cos most people write it takes
5 years, is that true?
On 2 Feb 2004 14:59:49 -0800, cdexterc79@yahoo.com (birdie) wrote:
>Can I ask what made you chose to do a Phd after your MD
I like to eat. I didn't know if I would have a job the next year. so I applied to med school,
just in case. Turns out I did have a job, but resolved never to go thru _that_ again.
So off I go to med school. Haven't regretted the decision. The next time I angered a
department chairman, I just bailed out into private practice. PhD's can't do that.
> The reason why I thought of doing Phd is cause of the things I have heard about getting into a
> residency program in Canada for a IMG are discouraging. So I thought as a back up.
Don't know about Canada, but last I heard there are lots of spots for IMG's in the US. We use IMGs
to take up the slack so we don't have to increase the number of US medical positions, which ( unlike
immigration ) are hard to shut down if we get too many docs.
For lurkers: " IMG" means "International Medical Graduate". Running joke: I tell people went to an
offshore island med school, UT Galveston ( which happens to be an Island).<G>
>ALso when they say a Phd takes 3 years, does it really take 3 years? cos most people write it takes
>5 years, is that true?
4-5 is very typical.... However, if you already have an MD, three is possible.
Dr P
SO what do you work as know ? (As a doctor or as a reasearcher, the Phd)
can I ask what you did you do your Phd in? and have you done your residency training yet?
Peter H. Proctor <drp@drproctor.com> wrote in message
news:<j1tv10hfspcfj86sk61ig9cui9l1kh8qoa@4ax.com>...
> On 2 Feb 2004 14:59:49 -0800, cdexterc79@yahoo.com (birdie) wrote:
>
> >Can I ask what made you chose to do a Phd after your MD
>
> I like to eat. I didn't know if I would have a job the next year. so I applied to med
> school, just in case. Turns out I did have a job, but resolved never to go thru _that_
> again.
>
> So off I go to med school. Haven't regretted the decision. The next time I angered a
> department chairman, I just bailed out into private practice. PhD's can't do that.
>
> > The reason why I thought of doing Phd is cause of the things I have heard about getting into a
> > residency program in Canada for a IMG are discouraging. So I thought as a back up.
>
> Don't know about Canada, but last I heard there are lots of spots for IMG's in the US. We use IMGs
> to take up the slack so we don't have to increase the number of US medical positions, which (
> unlike immigration ) are hard to shut down if we get too many docs.
>
> For lurkers: " IMG" means "International Medical Graduate". Running joke: I tell people went to an
> offshore island med school, UT Galveston ( which happens to be an Island).<G>
>
> >ALso when they say a Phd takes 3 years, does it really take 3 years? cos most people write it
> >takes 5 years, is that true?
>
> 4-5 is very typical.... However, if you already have an MD, three is possible.
>
> Dr P
On 5 Feb 2004 15:17:39 -0800, cdexterc79@yahoo.com (birdie) wrote:
>SO what do you work as know ? (As a doctor or as a reasearcher, the Phd)
That's easy, as a physician.... Yes, I still do research, but patentable invetiosn mostly.... The
money is better and if somebody steals your neat ideas, you can sue them <G>...
>can I ask what you did you do your Phd in?
Pharmacology/biophysics
>and have you done your residency training yet?
Years ago...
In article <4jk82018lsk6af0qp3ov543s05mg7gvj57@4ax.com>, drp@drproctor.com says...
> On 5 Feb 2004 15:17:39 -0800, cdexterc79@yahoo.com (birdie) wrote:
>
> >SO what do you work as know ? (As a doctor or as a reasearcher, the Phd)
>
> That's easy, as a physician.... Yes, I still do research, but patentable invetiosn mostly.... The
> money is better and if somebody steals your neat ideas, you can sue them <G>...
>
> >can I ask what you did you do your Phd in?
>
> Pharmacology/biophysics
A PhD in the same field as yours (Pharmacology/biophysics) *without* an MD can do the same research
job as you do? Or your MD and residency training give you a better insight in your job?
Thnx for your opinion, Dan
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 09:27:20 GMT, Danguard
<danguard_robot@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >can I ask what you did you do your Phd in?
>>
>> Pharmacology/biophysics
>
>A PhD in the same field as yours (Pharmacology/biophysics) *without* an MD can do the same research
>job as you do?
I don't have a "research job" per se but am self-employed.. .So this question can't be
answered in the way you put it.
Rather than describe a rather complicated situation, I'll direct you to my website,
www.nitrone.com . E.g., I have superior patent claims to AstraZeneca's new stroke
drug, Cerovive.
>Or your MD and residency training give you a better insight in your job
Sure, when you talk about treating disease, it helps to have some expereince with diseases.
Dr P
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