Running Shoes That Can Get Wet

[Harold Buck]

In article <YwaPb.231533$0P1.77596@twister.nyc.rr.com>,
Doug Freese <dfreese@NOBShvc.rr.com> wrote:

> Anders Lustig wrote:
>
>
> > I never fail to be amazed - and delighted:-) - by the way otherwise reasonable people can have
> > quite unreasonable attitudes about one shoe brand or another!
>
> And I thought all the shoe dislike was reserved for Nike. And some men think that blondes are
> better lovers. Or was that all women that are between 5'2,654545'-5'3.789567" tall. Maybe it was
> breast size inversely proportionite to (shoe size * arm length)/ length length. :)

A lot of men think that the larger a woman's breasts are the less intelligent she is. But actually,
it's the opposite: the larger a woman's breasts are, the less intelligent the men become.

--Harold Buck

"I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Then it was every other day. . . ."

- Homer J. Simpson

[Tom Wheeler]

Good think. ernus grin get too moun. feel good because good to scratch. yes.is o.k. not like poisen
ivy and can't scratch. only cover. or wash in lake. for fellow next in line. :>) Have a cold day.

[Dot]

Doug Freese wrote:

I'm trying to explain to him that the
> weight over longer distances looks cute in a math model but is not even close to being realistic
> over distance and time when all the other variables are factored in.

math model for a trail race? ;) Is there a computer big enough? Maybe one of Bob G.'s meteorology
computers?

>
> A case in point for a local race called the Escarpment Trail Race up here by me.
> http://escarpmenttrail.com/ It's a 30k but one of the hardest mile for mile races for bad footing
> and elevation gain on the East coast. Almost every year we get one or more speed demons that show
> up in racing flats that are going to attack the "soft" record(about
> 2:50). They bring their speed and efficiency model and turn to dust at mile 12, Unfortunately
> there is a 10k to go. Since I work the finish line I get to personally see the reality check
> and hear the dialog.

Why don't they require a trail run as part of their qualifier? That should reduce the
probability of something like that - or do the organizers get amusement out of humbling the
speedsters ;) In Alaska, they just say "experienced runners and climbers only", but I don't know
if they check in any way.

Oh, heck, just go snowshoe running :) where a couple extra ounces isn't a big deal unless it
actually is water, but for other reasons.

Dot

--
"Success is different things to different people" -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

[Doug Freese]

Dot wrote:

> math model for a trail race? ;) Is there a computer big enough? Maybe one of Bob G.'s meteorology
> computers?

His ain't nuttin' compared to the ones I worked on before I retired. At the time I left we(IBM)
had THE fastest box. I have since heard that the Big D contest has been bouncing around every
few months.

> Why don't they require a trail run as part of their qualifier? That should reduce the probability
> of something like that - or do the organizers get amusement out of humbling the speedsters ;)

It's only a 30k and a marathon or significant trail race is a valid prerequisite. If one was to read
the early warning on the web page it describes the 10K of elevation gain and fall and the ugly
footing plus some pictures for the reading challanged. If one still has the buring desire he mails
for the entry form. The entry form is three pages carefully explaining repeatedly everything on the
web page plus.

Of course the speed freaks and math modelers skip the course description and lock and load with
race flats. The finish ratio is really quite good. On a rainy day about 30% finish with visable
blood. on a dry day about 25%. :) Two years ago one person went off a 50 foot cliff and paid for a
helicopter ride to the hospital. Last year one person had a finger that took a sharp righ turn from
the other 4.

By the way, the race in in July where the temps and humidity are at the highest and not very much
water on the course so you need to haul your own.

> Oh, heck, just go snowshoe running :) where a couple extra ounces isn't a big deal unless it
> actually is water, but for other reasons.

Along the same line there are a a few crazies that do this as a fun run in December in the snow and
ice and takes about 12 hours. I'm invited but I have a few more crayons in the box.

--
Doug Freese "Caveat Lector" dfreeseS@NOBShvc.rr.com

[Dot]

Doug Freese wrote:

> Of course the speed freaks and math modelers skip the course description and lock and load with
> race flats.

That's why I was thinking a trail qualifier since some people can be totally clueless. Even if they
do read, they may not comprehend. When I lived back east in a former life time, a hiking friend of
mine had some relatives that drove some place (in Connecticut, iirc) *so* wild that a horse came up
to the car at a gas station. ;) Heck, I used to work with people that couldn't read topo maps.

The finish ratio is really quite
> good. On a rainy day about 30% finish with visable blood. on a dry day about 25%. :)

Is that total finishers or just the blood splattered ones - or should I ask if any finish without
blood splattering?

Two years ago one person went off a 50 foot cliff and paid
> for a helicopter ride to the hospital. Last year one person had a finger that took a sharp righ
> turn from the other 4.
>
> By the way, the race in in July where the temps and humidity are at the highest and not very much
> water on the course so you need to haul your own.

Now that sounds like an Alaskan race :)

>
> Along the same line there are a a few crazies that do this as a fun run in December in the snow
> and ice and takes about 12 hours. I'm invited but I have a few more crayons in the box.

You say you're signing up for the next winter WS ;)

:) We just had a similar discussion in another running group (includes
adventure racers, someone who's done Everest Marathon, etc) - about drawing limits where you run.
For me, I suggested that there's multiple lifetimes of opportunities and challenges where I live,
and gosh, some of the stepping stones were challenging enough for me. And sometimes my regular work
provided me with enough adventure for the month.

Dot

--
"Success is different things to different people" -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope