Aztec
I find that while my hoods/tops are the right height, the drops are too low with my 3TTT bars. Any ideas for bars with less drop?
Thx.
Thx.
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Reduced Drop Bars?
Rudy
Originally posted by Aztec
I find that while my hoods/tops are the right height, the drops are too low with my 3TTT bars. Any ideas for bars with less drop?
Thx.
Take a look at the Ritcheys....they have smaller drops as well as shorter reachs.
I find that while my hoods/tops are the right height, the drops are too low with my 3TTT bars. Any ideas for bars with less drop?
Thx.
Take a look at the Ritcheys....they have smaller drops as well as shorter reachs.
boudreaux
Originally posted by Aztec
I find that while my hoods/tops are the right height, the drops are too low with my 3TTT bars. Any ideas for bars with less drop?
Thx. Check QBP catalogue at LBS,lots of options.
I find that while my hoods/tops are the right height, the drops are too low with my 3TTT bars. Any ideas for bars with less drop?
Thx. Check QBP catalogue at LBS,lots of options.
BaCardi
Originally posted by boudreaux
Check QBP catalogue at LBS,lots of options.
I'd hardly call the list of short-drop handlebars in the QBP catalogue (Ritchey and Deda and maybe Salsa) a lot.
Check QBP catalogue at LBS,lots of options.
I'd hardly call the list of short-drop handlebars in the QBP catalogue (Ritchey and Deda and maybe Salsa) a lot.
boudreaux
Originally posted by BaCardi
I'd hardly call the list of short-drop handlebars in the QBP catalogue (Ritchey and Deda and maybe Salsa) a lot. Maybe it's relative.
I'd hardly call the list of short-drop handlebars in the QBP catalogue (Ritchey and Deda and maybe Salsa) a lot. Maybe it's relative.
el Inglés
Deda , Ritchey , ITM , cinelli , 3t , Terry ( if you can find them ) all make shallow drop bars but finding them is more difficult .
Just fitted a Deda 215 italian ( shallow ) bend , feels good .
The problem is that only the top line models tend to be imported , the Deda 215 , 250 both come in three bends , shallow ,deep ( Belgian ) and anatomic but are only imported to Spain in 215 shallow and anatomic . Still not to expensive at 60 euros ( mine was a gift , by the way ) the Itm millenium costs about 95 euros .
Just fitted a Deda 215 italian ( shallow ) bend , feels good .
The problem is that only the top line models tend to be imported , the Deda 215 , 250 both come in three bends , shallow ,deep ( Belgian ) and anatomic but are only imported to Spain in 215 shallow and anatomic . Still not to expensive at 60 euros ( mine was a gift , by the way ) the Itm millenium costs about 95 euros .
BaCardi
Originally posted by el Inglés
Deda , Ritchey , ITM , cinelli , 3t , Terry ( if you can find them ) all make shallow drop bars but finding them is more difficult .
Just fitted a Deda 215 italian ( shallow ) bend , feels good .
The problem is that only the top line models tend to be imported , the Deda 215 , 250 both come in three bends , shallow ,deep ( Belgian ) and anatomic but are only imported to Spain in 215 shallow and anatomic . Still not to expensive at 60 euros ( mine was a gift , by the way ) the Itm millenium costs about 95 euros .
Cinelli and TTT discontinued their short drop bars. I guess you could still hit up Ebay for a an old Cinelli Giro short drop bar. Deda is now only manufacturing the 215s in short drops. Lance uses them. And ITM millenium isn't a short drop bar. Salsa makes one, but AFAIK the widths only go up to 40cm wide.
Deda , Ritchey , ITM , cinelli , 3t , Terry ( if you can find them ) all make shallow drop bars but finding them is more difficult .
Just fitted a Deda 215 italian ( shallow ) bend , feels good .
The problem is that only the top line models tend to be imported , the Deda 215 , 250 both come in three bends , shallow ,deep ( Belgian ) and anatomic but are only imported to Spain in 215 shallow and anatomic . Still not to expensive at 60 euros ( mine was a gift , by the way ) the Itm millenium costs about 95 euros .
Cinelli and TTT discontinued their short drop bars. I guess you could still hit up Ebay for a an old Cinelli Giro short drop bar. Deda is now only manufacturing the 215s in short drops. Lance uses them. And ITM millenium isn't a short drop bar. Salsa makes one, but AFAIK the widths only go up to 40cm wide.
Aztec
I ordered a set of Ritchey WCS w/ 135 mm drop. I have their stem and love it, so I figured I'd give them a shot.
el Inglés
Originally posted by BaCardi
Cinelli and TTT discontinued their short drop bars. I guess you could still hit up Ebay for a an old Cinelli Giro short drop bar. Deda is now only manufacturing the 215s in short drops. Lance uses them. And ITM millenium isn't a short drop bar. Salsa makes one, but AFAIK the widths only go up to 40cm wide.
Millenium IS made in a non anatomic variant , and the 215 is made in three different versions as is the 250 : see Deda web site for details -- they just don´t always import what the Italians are making into other countries in Europe let alone North America . ( can´t tell with 3t the web site is down at the moment )
re the 215 : LA , Heras , Frigo , Aitor Gonzalez etc use it . Cofidis use ITM : look for old style bars on many of their riders´ bikes . In fact it´s a suprise to see just how many of the pros don´t use anatomic bars . They can be got , but it can be a bit more complicated than an anatomic , why ? fashion and money : the old enemies of common sense .
Back to the question : has our friend tried raising the bars or using a longer stem ? To often people will mount their bars so low that the drops are useless , almost at ankle height because the pros do it , a dumb idea to follow blindly if your not a young pro athlete .
Cinelli and TTT discontinued their short drop bars. I guess you could still hit up Ebay for a an old Cinelli Giro short drop bar. Deda is now only manufacturing the 215s in short drops. Lance uses them. And ITM millenium isn't a short drop bar. Salsa makes one, but AFAIK the widths only go up to 40cm wide.
Millenium IS made in a non anatomic variant , and the 215 is made in three different versions as is the 250 : see Deda web site for details -- they just don´t always import what the Italians are making into other countries in Europe let alone North America . ( can´t tell with 3t the web site is down at the moment )
re the 215 : LA , Heras , Frigo , Aitor Gonzalez etc use it . Cofidis use ITM : look for old style bars on many of their riders´ bikes . In fact it´s a suprise to see just how many of the pros don´t use anatomic bars . They can be got , but it can be a bit more complicated than an anatomic , why ? fashion and money : the old enemies of common sense .
Back to the question : has our friend tried raising the bars or using a longer stem ? To often people will mount their bars so low that the drops are useless , almost at ankle height because the pros do it , a dumb idea to follow blindly if your not a young pro athlete .
Aztec
Originally posted by el Inglés
Back to the question : has our friend tried raising the bars or using a longer stem ? To often people will mount their bars so low that the drops are useless , almost at ankle height because the pros do it , a dumb idea to follow blindly if your not a young pro athlete .
The bars are about the right height. I use 2.5cm of spacers beneath my -6 stem. Tops feel good, hoods feel nice and comfy. Drops are just too darn low, though. I just reduced the spacer .5cm and reversed the stem to lower them, and it has mildly helped with saddle agony. I think I'm about 7-8cm below the saddle. But that wiped out using the drops... not that I ever really use them anyway, though!
Back to the question : has our friend tried raising the bars or using a longer stem ? To often people will mount their bars so low that the drops are useless , almost at ankle height because the pros do it , a dumb idea to follow blindly if your not a young pro athlete .
The bars are about the right height. I use 2.5cm of spacers beneath my -6 stem. Tops feel good, hoods feel nice and comfy. Drops are just too darn low, though. I just reduced the spacer .5cm and reversed the stem to lower them, and it has mildly helped with saddle agony. I think I'm about 7-8cm below the saddle. But that wiped out using the drops... not that I ever really use them anyway, though!
lokstah
Good advice from the others here.
I'd second a look at Salsa. They offer the Short & Shallow road bar with a 144mm drop (though not as shallow as the Ritcheys) in widths from 36cm to 46cm, and can be found for under $40.
Good luck.
I'd second a look at Salsa. They offer the Short & Shallow road bar with a 144mm drop (though not as shallow as the Ritcheys) in widths from 36cm to 46cm, and can be found for under $40.
Good luck.
el Inglés
Originally posted by Aztec
The bars are about the right height. I use 2.5cm of spacers beneath my -6 stem. Tops feel good, hoods feel nice and comfy. Drops are just too darn low, though. I just reduced the spacer .5cm and reversed the stem to lower them, and it has mildly helped with saddle agony. I think I'm about 7-8cm below the saddle. But that wiped out using the drops... not that I ever really use them anyway, though!
That seems really low to me , have you tried raising the bars to about 5cm below saddle hight ? Can you fit a longer stem to test ?
There´s a modern fashion to have the bars really low but I do wonder if it´s such a good idea if you can´t use the drops , unless your bars have a very deep drop you may not notice much benefit from changing the bars though .
The bars are about the right height. I use 2.5cm of spacers beneath my -6 stem. Tops feel good, hoods feel nice and comfy. Drops are just too darn low, though. I just reduced the spacer .5cm and reversed the stem to lower them, and it has mildly helped with saddle agony. I think I'm about 7-8cm below the saddle. But that wiped out using the drops... not that I ever really use them anyway, though!
That seems really low to me , have you tried raising the bars to about 5cm below saddle hight ? Can you fit a longer stem to test ?
There´s a modern fashion to have the bars really low but I do wonder if it´s such a good idea if you can´t use the drops , unless your bars have a very deep drop you may not notice much benefit from changing the bars though .
Aztec
Saddle depth below the bars is relative -- to someone tall, 8cm may not be much. To my dad at 5'4" he'd be in an aero position! I'm not tall -- 5'10" average proportions, so it may be low.
My pro fit last year set me to about 5cm due to poor flexibility in my hamstrings. I've rectified that, or at least improved a long way. I figure the extra few cm are OK, but possibly farther than I should've gone. I'll add back .5cm, taking me to 3cm of spacers. Short of flipping the stem back the other way, that's all I can do. My frame is a tad small -- 56cm -- so my saddle is fairly high above the top tube. That limits the height of the bars relative to the saddle. Of course, I could flip the stem and reduce the spacers, too. But we'll see how the extra .5 cm and the reduced drop bars work. I like the idea of the Ritchey bars anyway -- they sound very ergo!
My pro fit last year set me to about 5cm due to poor flexibility in my hamstrings. I've rectified that, or at least improved a long way. I figure the extra few cm are OK, but possibly farther than I should've gone. I'll add back .5cm, taking me to 3cm of spacers. Short of flipping the stem back the other way, that's all I can do. My frame is a tad small -- 56cm -- so my saddle is fairly high above the top tube. That limits the height of the bars relative to the saddle. Of course, I could flip the stem and reduce the spacers, too. But we'll see how the extra .5 cm and the reduced drop bars work. I like the idea of the Ritchey bars anyway -- they sound very ergo!
el Inglés
Originally posted by Aztec
Saddle depth below the bars is relative -- to someone tall, 8cm may not be much. To my dad at 5'4" he'd be in an aero position! I'm not tall -- 5'10" average proportions, so it may be low.
My pro fit last year set me to about 5cm due to poor flexibility in my hamstrings. I've rectified that, or at least improved a long way. I figure the extra few cm are OK, but possibly farther than I should've gone. I'll add back .5cm, taking me to 3cm of spacers. Short of flipping the stem back the other way, that's all I can do. My frame is a tad small -- 56cm -- so my saddle is fairly high above the top tube. That limits the height of the bars relative to the saddle. Of course, I could flip the stem and reduce the spacers, too. But we'll see how the extra .5 cm and the reduced drop bars work. I like the idea of the Ritchey bars anyway -- they sound very ergo!
Well I´m 1·86 mts , short arm / leg long back , and I´m at about 5cm below saddle on a 135 mm stem just to get the drops right ( but I´ve just changed to a Deda 215 italian bend so we´ll see if any changes are need ) for sustained use , mostly access to the brakes going down hill or into a head wind but I do see so many people here at the club , see web site , tortureing themselves to get that " racer " look for little benefit aerodynamically as they always ride on the hoods , look at people like Indurain or Merckx and they tended to spend a lot more time on the drops than do modern cyclists .
Get comfortable first then worry about aero sh*t later .
Saddle depth below the bars is relative -- to someone tall, 8cm may not be much. To my dad at 5'4" he'd be in an aero position! I'm not tall -- 5'10" average proportions, so it may be low.
My pro fit last year set me to about 5cm due to poor flexibility in my hamstrings. I've rectified that, or at least improved a long way. I figure the extra few cm are OK, but possibly farther than I should've gone. I'll add back .5cm, taking me to 3cm of spacers. Short of flipping the stem back the other way, that's all I can do. My frame is a tad small -- 56cm -- so my saddle is fairly high above the top tube. That limits the height of the bars relative to the saddle. Of course, I could flip the stem and reduce the spacers, too. But we'll see how the extra .5 cm and the reduced drop bars work. I like the idea of the Ritchey bars anyway -- they sound very ergo!
Well I´m 1·86 mts , short arm / leg long back , and I´m at about 5cm below saddle on a 135 mm stem just to get the drops right ( but I´ve just changed to a Deda 215 italian bend so we´ll see if any changes are need ) for sustained use , mostly access to the brakes going down hill or into a head wind but I do see so many people here at the club , see web site , tortureing themselves to get that " racer " look for little benefit aerodynamically as they always ride on the hoods , look at people like Indurain or Merckx and they tended to spend a lot more time on the drops than do modern cyclists .
Get comfortable first then worry about aero sh*t later .
Aztec
I hear you.
I'm trying to set the hoods at a reasonably comfy height, and the drops where they'll approximately be on my track bike. I'm going to need to get used to being a little lower for the track, so I think I'll have that balanced combination this way.
Yes, the hoods will be a touch lower than optimal, and the drops probably about matched. I'll have the tops for relief if I get too annoyed on the hoods. I tend to be more comfortable when a little lower anyway. Up higher I suffer from saddle agony after an hour. The lower position buys me a little time, and makes for a bigger shift between "feel" on the saddle when changing from tops to hoods to drops. Thus, I'm able to handle more time on the bike. But yes, -8cm is probably too low by .5 to 1.0 cm.
It's not about aero -- it's about long term comfort and training for the track position (and maybe aero position on a TT bike eventually).
I'm trying to set the hoods at a reasonably comfy height, and the drops where they'll approximately be on my track bike. I'm going to need to get used to being a little lower for the track, so I think I'll have that balanced combination this way.
Yes, the hoods will be a touch lower than optimal, and the drops probably about matched. I'll have the tops for relief if I get too annoyed on the hoods. I tend to be more comfortable when a little lower anyway. Up higher I suffer from saddle agony after an hour. The lower position buys me a little time, and makes for a bigger shift between "feel" on the saddle when changing from tops to hoods to drops. Thus, I'm able to handle more time on the bike. But yes, -8cm is probably too low by .5 to 1.0 cm.
It's not about aero -- it's about long term comfort and training for the track position (and maybe aero position on a TT bike eventually).
el Inglés
Sounds to me you may have a saddle problem as well , what do you use ? There´s a very good article about this on sheldon Brown´s web site www.sheldonbrown.com and the selle Italia site also has some good info . Remember lots of your weight is taken on hands and legs : you tire = more weight on the saddle = sore bum , mind you could be road shock from a very ridged saddle ( aluminium rails are a bit of a no no ) or tyres over inflated . ( on an XO my teeth rattled , thought about buying a gum sheald , now on a flite max it´s not a problem ( but if I can ever shake off the flu or what ever it is I´ll see if I can borrow a flite , titanium rails soft ride but firm , narrower saddle )
Aztec
I am on my 6th saddle... most of which I have 200+ miles on, but the best two more like 500+.
I currently am on a Specialized Body Geometry Pro. Before that, and still on my MTB, is a Fizik Alliante. The Fizik is good, but the curve seems to make me numb later in a ride. The Specialized is never all that comfy to start off, but doesn't get that much worse over the course of a ride. Thus, it's just about minimizes the total sum of pain over a 3 hour ride.
I'm eyeing the Fizik Arionne now, as it is flat. I'm pretty sure I prefer a flatter saddle to one with curve, given the results so far.
Keep in mind I ride a carbon Colnago, so there's no excuse for the stiffness to be causing any fatigue, etc. The only reason I cut my rides at 3-ish hours is because of saddle pain (and boredom), definitely not fatigue up the legs or body.
I currently am on a Specialized Body Geometry Pro. Before that, and still on my MTB, is a Fizik Alliante. The Fizik is good, but the curve seems to make me numb later in a ride. The Specialized is never all that comfy to start off, but doesn't get that much worse over the course of a ride. Thus, it's just about minimizes the total sum of pain over a 3 hour ride.
I'm eyeing the Fizik Arionne now, as it is flat. I'm pretty sure I prefer a flatter saddle to one with curve, given the results so far.
Keep in mind I ride a carbon Colnago, so there's no excuse for the stiffness to be causing any fatigue, etc. The only reason I cut my rides at 3-ish hours is because of saddle pain (and boredom), definitely not fatigue up the legs or body.
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