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I'm very conscious that BeHIT and the stupid Bill have cyclists rather on the back foot. Wer are
seen as opposing something "obviously" worthwhile. BeHIT gets money from the taxpayer for cycle
"safety" literature and blows it on promoting questionable injury mitigation hats. Who's actually
promoting safe cycling?
I think it's time to put my money (or rather time) where my mouth (or newsreader) is. I have started
to assemble what might one day be a cycle safety guide for young people. I will be market testing
the ideas on my tame house apes, especially the bike checks section which Michael should be able to
understand easily. I will need to get some pictures from somewhere as my artistic skills are
somewhere between execrable and non-existent.
Here is a start. Feedback welcome as always. I am expecting it to take a while to get right. My
eventual ambition is to get the CTC or someone to publish a pukka polished version, which I am
guessing will look very different from my incoherent ramblings :-)
What the hell. At least it's not another helmet thread.
<url:http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/Web/public.nsf/Documents/Safe_Cycling_for_Kids>
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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
> What the hell. At least it's not another helmet thread.
>
<url:http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/Web/public.nsf/Documents/Safe_Cycli ng_for_Kids>
Looks good. I think your Don'ts would stand out more if they were done in red as well as bold. I
also think there might be a typo here: "Shoes need to have proper soles with some crip"
Some pictures would be good, for example a picture of the right way to wear a helmet, and perhaps
something like this on how to tuck laces in:
http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/attachment.php?postid=186630%7C [1]
A year or so ago I picked up a copy of the kids' equivalent of Cyclecraft, "Keep on the Safe Side: A
handbook for young cyclists", published by HMSO in 1989. Might be one to add to the reading list. I
doubt it's still in print and I certainly think there's scope for a new book like this. Perhaps in
time you could develop your guidelines into a book, or at least a pamphlet?
[1] Picture posted to rec.sport.unicycling by John Childs, john_childs (at) hotmail (dot) com
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In news:qjkt10tekbs70uduq7odscl2tgqdkd3qa6@4ax.com,
Just zis Guy, you know? <outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> typed:
>
> Here is a start. Feedback welcome as always. I am expecting it to take a while to get right. My
> eventual ambition is to get the CTC or someone to publish a pukka polished version, which I am
> guessing will look very different from my incoherent ramblings :-)
>
> What the hell. At least it's not another helmet thread.
>
Looks good. I find the title page incredibly perky, but then I'm well above the target age.
Maybe you don't really want to talk about passing traffic queues in your guide. It's something that
takes a bit of skill to judge when it's possible and skill to keep a good straight line while always
ready to dive left. Or maybe I just suffer from narrow roads.
Otherwise I'm enjoying it.
more feedback may come.
Ambrose
"Ambrose Nankivell" <$FirstnameInitialofSurname$@onetel.net.uk> wrote in
message news:bvmm98$udntl$1@ID-93953.news.uni-berlin.de...
> In news:qjkt10tekbs70uduq7odscl2tgqdkd3qa6@4ax.com, Just zis Guy, you know?
> <outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> typed:
> >
> > Here is a start. Feedback welcome as always. I am expecting it to take a while to get right. My
> > eventual ambition is to get the CTC or someone to publish a pukka polished version, which I am
> > guessing will look very different from my incoherent ramblings :-)
> >
> > What the hell. At least it's not another helmet thread.
> >
> Looks good. I find the title page incredibly perky, but then I'm well
above
> the target age.
>
> Maybe you don't really want to talk about passing traffic queues in your guide. It's something
> that takes a bit of skill to judge when it's
possible
> and skill to keep a good straight line while always ready to dive left. Or maybe I just suffer
> from narrow roads.
>
> Otherwise I'm enjoying it.
>
There's one rule missed r.e. ASL's. If a car wanders into it, cross the ASL by the same distance,
get in the middle, don't rush off from the lights.
Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
> I'm very conscious that BeHIT and the stupid Bill have cyclists rather on the back foot. Wer are
> seen as opposing something "obviously" worthwhile. BeHIT gets money from the taxpayer for cycle
> "safety" literature and blows it on promoting questionable injury mitigation hats. Who's actually
> promoting safe cycling?
>
> I think it's time to put my money (or rather time) where my mouth (or newsreader) is. I have
> started to assemble what might one day be a cycle safety guide for young people. I will be market
> testing the ideas on my tame house apes, especially the bike checks section which Michael should
> be able to understand easily. I will need to get some pictures from somewhere as my artistic
> skills are somewhere between execrable and non-existent.
>
> Here is a start. Feedback welcome as always. I am expecting it to take a while to get right. My
> eventual ambition is to get the CTC someone to publish a pukka polished version, which I am
> guessing will look very different from my incoherent ramblings :-)
>
> What the hell. At least it's not another helmet thread.
>
>
<url:http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/Web/public.nsf/Documents/Safe_Cycling_f or_Kids>
>
> Guy
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I like it, like the idea. I'll read it again when I get more time.
Maybe show the primary and secondary riding positions with pictures of where the primary should
be adopted.
Let us know what sort of illustrations you need, I am a crap drawer but handy enough with a digital
camera and Paintshop Pro !
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:<qjkt10tekbs70uduq7odscl2tgqdkd3qa6@4ax.com>...
> Here is a start. Feedback welcome as always.
<url:http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/Web/public.nsf/Documents/Safe_Cycling_for_Kids>
have you managed to fix the issue where your site kills mozilla browsers? Does your hosting preclude
a plain old html version?
best wishes james
On 3/2/04 8:25 am, in article bvnlue$uo7ql$1@ID-207671.news.uni-berlin.de,
"MSeries" <skankmartin@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>> I'm very conscious that BeHIT and the stupid Bill have cyclists rather on the back foot. Wer are
>> seen as opposing something "obviously" worthwhile. BeHIT gets money from the taxpayer for cycle
>> "safety" literature and blows it on promoting questionable injury mitigation hats. Who's actually
>> promoting safe cycling?
>>
>> I think it's time to put my money (or rather time) where my mouth (or newsreader) is. I have
>> started to assemble what might one day be a cycle safety guide for young people. I will be market
>> testing the ideas on my tame house apes, especially the bike checks section which Michael should
>> be able to understand easily. I will need to get some pictures from somewhere as my artistic
>> skills are somewhere between execrable and non-existent.
>>
>> Here is a start. Feedback welcome as always. I am expecting it to take a while to get right. My
>> eventual ambition is to get the CTC someone to publish a pukka polished version, which I am
>> guessing will look very different from my incoherent ramblings :-)
>>
What age range is it aimed at?
It appears to be too 'wordy'. What is needed is the basic points as single sentences backed up with
clear drawings (a bit like airline 'what to do if we crash' cards.)
Ideally a good and two bad pictures, the first showing the bad, the second showing the consequences.
Key things:
dangly clothes/bags are bad well packed clothes are good.
Riding along side busses/lorries is very bad
Car doors
pulling out without looking/ signalling
move right before turning right
riding in the gutter at pinch points
riding without lights at night
That is quite possibly enough for a page on cycle technique.
For bike technical checks:
brakes that work
tyres pumped up (picture of cyclist struggling with lots of uncomfortable road vibration vs happy
fast cyclist.)
generally sound (picture of cyclist in wreckage after bike does a collapse.)
This should all fit onto one double sided A4 sheet.
..d
David Martin wrote:
> On 3/2/04 8:25 am, in article bvnlue$uo7ql$1@ID-207671.news.uni-berlin.de, "MSeries"
> <skankmartin@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>>> I'm very conscious that BeHIT and the stupid Bill have cyclists rather on the back foot. Wer are
>>> seen as opposing something "obviously" worthwhile. BeHIT gets money from the taxpayer for cycle
>>> "safety" literature and blows it on promoting questionable injury mitigation hats. Who's
>>> actually promoting safe cycling?
>>>
>>> I think it's time to put my money (or rather time) where my mouth (or newsreader) is. I have
>>> started to assemble what might one day be a cycle safety guide for young people. I will be
>>> market testing the ideas on my tame house apes, especially the bike checks section which Michael
>>> should be able to understand easily. I will need to get some pictures from somewhere as my
>>> artistic skills are somewhere between execrable and non-existent.
>>>
>>> Here is a start. Feedback welcome as always. I am expecting it to take a while to get right. My
>>> eventual ambition is to get the CTC someone to publish a pukka polished version, which I am
>>> guessing will look very different from my incoherent ramblings :-)
>>>
>
> What age range is it aimed at?
>
> It appears to be too 'wordy'. What is needed is the basic points as single sentences backed up
> with clear drawings (a bit like airline 'what to do if we crash' cards.)
>
> Ideally a good and two bad pictures, the first showing the bad, the second showing the
> consequences.
I am not volunteering to be photographed crashing ! ;-)
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"james" <mt99999@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> have you managed to fix the issue where your site kills mozilla browsers? Does your hosting
> preclude a plain old html version?
As far as I know, yes, but Your Mozilla May Vary.
The only issue with a plain HTML version is the time it would take me to code the plain HTML. My
hosting is Slartibartfast, the server under the stairs. Perhaps I should rename it Nugent :-)
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james <mt99999@hotmail.com> wrote:
: have you managed to fix the issue where your site kills mozilla browsers? Does your hosting
: preclude a plain old html version?
It works fine for me in both Mozilla 1.4.1 and Mozilla Firebird 0.7
Arthur
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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
> I'm very conscious that BeHIT and the stupid Bill have cyclists rather on the back foot. Wer are
> seen as opposing something "obviously" worthwhile. BeHIT gets money from the taxpayer for cycle
> "safety" literature and blows it on promoting questionable injury mitigation hats. Who's actually
> promoting safe cycling?
>
> I think it's time to put my money (or rather time) where my mouth (or newsreader) is. I have
> started to assemble what might one day be a cycle safety guide for young people. I will be market
> testing the ideas on my tame house apes, especially the bike checks section which Michael should
> be able to understand easily. I will need to get some pictures from somewhere as my artistic
> skills are somewhere between execrable and non-existent.
>
> Here is a start. Feedback welcome as always. I am expecting it to take a while to get right. My
> eventual ambition is to get the CTC or someone to publish a pukka polished version, which I am
> guessing will look very different from my incoherent ramblings :-)
>
> What the hell. At least it's not another helmet thread.
>
> <url:http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/Web/public.nsf/Documents/Safe_Cycling_for_Kids>
>
More than happy to offer my services, being a lazy student and everything.
Don't know if it's any help Guy, but Wiltshire County Council are in the process of making a similar
sort of thing to be distributed around the area.(see the cycling forum was useful)
Working for the evil ones(halfords) i may be able to come up with some pictures of mangled
bikes etc.
Cheers
Michael
"Just zis Guy, you know?" <outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:<bvnukt$g6s$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>...
> The only issue with a plain HTML version is the time it would take me to code the plain HTML. My
> hosting is Slartibartfast, the server under the stairs. Perhaps I should rename it Nugent :-)
If it lived under a bridge that would be entirely appropriate.
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Dave...
On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 23:02:28 -0000, "Danny Colyer"
<danny@speedy5.freeserve.giggle> wrote:
> "Keep on the Safe Side: A handbook for young cyclists",
Danny, thank you. I got one from Amazon - it is a superb little book. A shame it's out of print.
What's the betting the Liddites get to the next version? Certainly the foreword would be
unacceptable to the True Believers:
"Every year 10,000 young cyclists are killed or injured on our roads. Many of these accidents could
have been avoided if the young cyclist had been better trained."
Shurely shome mishtake - obviously he means "if they had been wearing a magic hat!"
Gratifyingly low key on magic hats, and no chance of a reprint as it doesn't include Toucan
crossings. Ho hum.
Guy
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