BHIT video shock....
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This may have been done earlier in urc but 'fraid I've been a bit lax of late - 2004 is turning into
an unprecedented year so far regards the good stuff...could be so good I might even end up with a
'bent trike before it's out ;-) Anyway, back to subject... In my role as kiddie cyclist trainer for
the local council, I went to our team meeting yesterday, in readiness for the new season. Our 'team
leader' had several things on the agenda, one of which was a BHIT video. We were asked of our views
and whether we thought they should invest in 10 copies for distribution amongst the primary
schools..... It was called Peters Birthday. For his 14th birthday Peter had a nice new shiny bike
from his parents. He also had a helmet from his sister. As he was just popping down the park with
his mates, he reckoned he didn't need his helmet. Suprise, suprise, the family spent the rest of his
birthday in the emergency ward, following his loss of control of the bike because "it's got good
brakes" and a meeting of unprotected skull and concrete bench support. For his 18th birthday, he was
in his wheelchair but hadn't quite worked out how to blow his candles out through the tube in his
throat, so his mates did it for him...oh, I think his mate was hitting on his sister too. Mum was by
now realising that the rest of her life would be spent looking after her little sparrow with the
damaged wing. By his 21st he'd realised that he probably wouldn't ever be getting a girlfriend, dad
was getting well ratty that he wasn't getting any attention (selfish prat!!). By his 30th mom was
looking very old for her age, dad had run off with the barmaid from the local as he couldn't take it
anymore.....Also, lots of candles on his cake and, of course, his mates had stopped coming round -
the guilt had obviously worn off..... And finally, his loving sister got married but didn't move too
far away, just half an hours drive. They then finish the video with a load of stats, just on the
screen long enough to shock but not to memorise. The first I called into question was 90,000 cycle
accidents per year in the UK for under 16s. This may or may not be accurate. I guess if you include
tumbles in learning to ride, taking stabilisers off etc, then just possibly maybe. Where the hell do
they get the figures from?...who records it all ? Obviously they have self-survival at heart. They
make their money from promoting helmet use but this video was wholly unsuitable for use at primary
schools. It'd scare the poor little mites off bikes for life!!...well done BHIT!!...mid-teens would
be sick and twisted enough to see the funny side of it, so no useful effect there...ah, I've got
it!!...the folks who provide grants and fund this kind of organisation. They know nothing about
cycling but can't help thinking that, just like smoking, banging your head on a solid object from a
great height at speed is bad for your health and requires a 'shock' approach to get the message
over......... The decision was made not to use the video - Again, well done BHIT!!
Dave.
Cynical helmet wearer ;-)
Originally posted by \ Dave
Anyway, back to subject... In my role as kiddie cyclist trainer for
the local council, I went to our team meeting yesterday, in readiness for the new season. Our 'team leader' had several things on the agenda, one of which was a BHIT video. We were asked of our views and whether we thought they should invest in 10 copies for distribution amongst the primary schools..... It was called Peters Birthday.
Dave.
Cynical helmet wearer ;)
HOLY CRAP VIDEO BATMAN
That sounds terrible. Was the intention of this video to encourage kids to become obese couch spuds addicated to computer games because going outside is just too dangerous?
Nice one binning this kind of alarmist clap-trap. Yep, not wearing a helmet can reduce your chances of coming out of a crash in good shape, but the video that you describe is plain irresponsible.
"(t'other) Dave" <no-one@nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:qUF%b.5796$lk3.4191@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> In my role as kiddie cyclist trainer for the local council, I went to our team meeting yesterday,
> in readiness for the new season. Our 'team leader' had several things on the agenda, one of which
> was a BHIT video. We were asked of our views and whether we thought they should invest in 10
> copies for distribution amongst the primary schools.....
> The decision was made not to use the video - Again, well done BHIT!!
Thank god for that.
On the good side, riding a bike without a helmet means your dad will get off with a barmaid, so it
can't be all that bad.
(t'other) Dave posted ...
> The decision was made not to use the video - Again, well done BHIT!!
Why not write to BHIT with regard, in your 'professional capacity', to seeing if they can change the
video before full-scale distribution, explaining that it's as likely to frighten kids into not
riding at all, rather than scaring them into helmet wearing ?
I don't know how open they are, but it might be worth a try ...
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Paul
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news:c1nfhj$1kldsk$1@ID-137265.news.uni-berlin.de...
> (t'other) Dave posted ...
>
> > The decision was made not to use the video - Again, well done BHIT!!
>
> Why not write to BHIT with regard, in your 'professional capacity', to seeing if they can change
> the video before full-scale distribution, explaining that it's as likely to frighten kids into not
> riding at all, rather than scaring them into helmet wearing ?
err.. it wouldn't be too wild a conspiracy theory to think thats what their aim really is.
Originally posted by Anonymous
Why not write to BHIT with regard, in your 'professional capacity', to seeing if they can change the video before full-scale distribution, explaining that it's as likely to frighten kids into not
riding at all, rather than scaring them into helmet wearing ?
I don't know how open they are, but it might be worth a try ...
--
Paul
^
This seems like a worthwhile course of action.
To encourage people to cycle and be safe they should make a video with someone like Gina Montoya in cycling gear on a nifty road bike (anything by Argon18 will do) pulling up to some traffic lights and stopping. Another cyclist who isn't wearing a helmet pulls up along side and tries to get chatting but she gives him the icy cold shoulder. Then a bloke on a not-so-good bike but wearing a helmet pulls up as well, and our Gina's all over him, complimenting him on his firm, strong.... helmet ;)
W K posted ...
> news:c1nfhj$1kldsk$1@ID-137265.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> (t'other) Dave posted ...
>>
>>> The decision was made not to use the video - Again, well done BHIT!!
>>
>> Why not write to BHIT with regard, in your 'professional capacity', to seeing if they can change
>> the video before full-scale distribution, explaining that it's as likely to frighten kids into
>> not riding at all, rather than scaring them into helmet wearing ?
>
> err.. it wouldn't be too wild a conspiracy theory to think thats what their aim really is.
Yeah, but it'd be interesting / fun to have a letter back from them regarding their 'true' motives
for the video .. or their spin on the way the video is seen.
--
Paul
(8(|) Homer rocks .. ;)
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:30:07 +0000, W K wrote:
> On the good side, riding a bike without a helmet means your dad will get off with a barmaid, so it
> can't be all that bad.
If I had a kid, he'd be riding without a helmet from this day on...
Eugenio
McBain_v1 posted ...
> Anonymous wrote:
> > Why not write to BHIT with regard, in your 'professional
> capacity', to > seeing if they can change the video before full-scale distribution, > explaining
> that it's as likely to frighten kids into not riding at all, > rather than scaring them into
> helmet wearing ? > I don't know how open they are, but it might be worth a try ... > --
> > Paul
>
>
>
> ^ This seems like a worthwhile course of action. To encourage people to cycle and be safe they
> should make a video with someone like Gina Montoya in cycling gear on a nifty road bike (anything
> by Argon18 will
> do) pulling up to some traffic lights and stopping. Another cyclist who isn't wearing a helmet
> pulls up along side and tries to get chatting but she gives him the icy cold shoulder. Then a
> bloke on a not-so-good bike but wearing a helmet pulls up as well, and our Gina's all over
> him, complimenting him on his firm, strong.... helmet ;)
Heheheh .. the pc crowd would play hell up .. ;)
Go for it I say .. ;)
--
Paul
(8(|) Homer rocks .. ;)
Eugenio Mastroviti wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:30:07 +0000, W K wrote:
>
>> On the good side, riding a bike without a helmet means your dad will get off with a barmaid, so
>> it can't be all that bad.
>
> If I had a kid, he'd be riding without a helmet from this day on...
>
> Eugenio
How about writing to BHIT from a 12 year old kid saying his dad's seen their video and won't let him
wear a helmet because he wants to get off with a barmaid ;-)
Tony
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:41:56 +0000, John Hearns <john@nospam.nospam>
wrote:
>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:10:47 +0000, McBain_v1 wrote:
>
>> \ Dave wrote:
>> > Anyway, back to subject... In my role as kiddie cyclist trainer for the local council, I went
>> > to our team meeting yesterday, in readiness for
>
>I hate to say it, but I'm old enough to remember skateboards the first time round in the UK. One
>Christmas everyone, including me and my brother, wanted a skateboard. There was a lot of fuss on
>the telly at the time, with Blue Peter presenters etc. always making sure to say 'wear knee and
>elbow pads and a helmet'. I remember my parents got us helmets, and we wore them. But nothing about
>laws to make you wear one!
>
>Nowadays I see teenagers skating quite often under the South Bank. I venture to say that
>skateboarding on concrete is likely to involve tumbles and the occasional injury. Before anyone
>even starts to say that I'm anti-skateboard, all I'm saying is that why are bicycles suddenly being
>singled out?
Because there is a deep and widespread public belief that cycling is a genuinely dangerous sport.
Campaigns and promotions that pander to this perception and are made to appear to be saving children
from a great threat are warmly received by funders and audiences.
This shouldn't suprise us really. After all, it's what the govt has been telling us about bikes for
about two decades.
You know, I can't think of a single government 'promotion' of cycling that hasn't promoted the
dangers above the benefits.
>And I'll agree with most people on this list - if your parents want to make you wear a helmet,
>that's great. Not the police.
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:30:56 -0000, "\(t'other\) Dave"
<no-one@nowhere.org> wrote in message
<qUF%b.5796$lk3.4191@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>:
And the worst thing is, we paid for this ****! BHIT's biggest contributor is the Department for
Transport, second biggest I think is Department of Health. They have had over a quarter of a million
in public money in the last few years.
What have we to show for this? Leaflets claiming 28,000 serious child cyclist head injuries per year
(real number around 500). 50 child cyclist deaths per year (real number 25). Time they were kicked
into touch.
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Guy
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In article <pan.2004.02.27.15.57.01.364831@gointernet.co.uk>, Eugenio
Mastroviti <eugeniom@gointernet.co.uk> wrote:
> > On the good side, riding a bike without a helmet means your dad will get off with a barmaid, so
> > it can't be all that bad.
> If I had a kid,
We have
> he'd be riding without a helmet from this day on...
He never wore a helmet but he did break a few bones - thankfully none in his skull.
And his mother was a barmaid when I met her. Best thing I ever did.
--
A T (Sandy) Morton on the Bicycle Island In the Global Village http://www.millport.net (http://www.millport.net/)
In article <pan.2004.02.27.12.41.55.437751@nospam.nospam>, John
Hearns <john@nospam.nospam> wrote:
> And I'll agree with most people on this list - if your parents want to make you wear a helmet,
> that's great. Not the police.
John
I will take issue with you on this one. The individual should have the right to choose - and to save
further argument this is age dependant.
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A T (Sandy) Morton on the Bicycle Island In the Global Village http://www.millport.net (http://www.millport.net/)
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:44:39 +0000, "[Not Responding]"
<not_responding@dev.null.invalid> wrote (more or less):
>You know, I can't think of a single government 'promotion' of cycling that hasn't promoted the
>dangers above the benefits.
The DTR's nationalcyclingstrategy.org's material promotes the benefits over the dangers in their
promo .pdf documents.
I was quite impressed.
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In article <rl3v309nfg6qktt8r155ap06vdk7gp2mmm@4ax.com>, [Not
Responding] <not_responding@dev.null.invalid> wrote:
> You know, I can't think of a single government 'promotion' of cycling that hasn't promoted the
> dangers above the benefits.
As a useable and provable statistic. The bicycle island has about 1000 hiring cycles and has about
625000 travellers on the ferry each year. Obviously not all of them hire bikes but a large
proportion
do. In the last 40 years we have had two fatalities. One was when a motorcyclist hit a young girl
in the middle of the back and killed her instantly - body armour would not have saved her. The
other was when a middle aged lady fell off of her bike in front of a bus - body armour would
not have saved her.
We have had a few injuries but none serious and NONE of them would have been prevented by a
compulsory helmet regime. My most recent injury was a lady getting onto her hired bike who fell
off the pavement and broke her wrist - it was my fault!! her husband was about 5 feet away and
holding the bike.
I am sure that the Millport bike hirers would be happy to give the facts and figures which we have
available to anyone doing a proper survey on this matter.
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A T (Sandy) Morton on the Bicycle Island In the Global Village http://www.millport.net (http://www.millport.net/)
[Not Responding] <not_responding@dev.null.invalid> wrote:
: Because there is a deep and widespread public belief that cycling is a genuinely dangerous sport.
Actually cycling is a genuinely dangerous sport. Road races are way scaary and things like dual
salom/downhill come with a high risk of broken bones.
The mistake is to think that cycling the *sport* has anything at all to do with cycling as a *mode
of transport*
Arthur
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