shoe rec wanted

[Bill]

I am looking at these to replace my old shoes

note I will be beginning the SEAL Warning Order workout then
the 12-week to SEAL BUD/S workout prepared by Stew Smith

ASICS Gel-DS Trainer IX - $95

New Balance 900 - $95

Nike Air Pegasus 2004 - $70

all three are rated high in the various running magazines,
just wondering if anyone has any personal exp. with them

[Topcounsel]

>I am looking at these to replace my old shoes

WHAT SHOES ARE YOU REPLACING?

[Donovan Rebbech]

In article <15b4be0.0403101101.3f8d3b48@posting.google.com>, Bill wrote:
> I am looking at these to replace my old shoes
>
> note I will be beginning the SEAL Warning Order
> workout then the 12-week to SEAL BUD/S workout
> prepared by Stew Smith
>
> ASICS Gel-DS Trainer IX - $95
>
> New Balance 900 - $95
>
> Nike Air Pegasus 2004 - $70
>
> all three are rated high in the various running magazines,
> just wondering if anyone has any personal exp. with them

The Pegasus is a mid-weight cushioning shoe, the other two
are lightweight trainers with "stability" features.

I saw some unfavourable comments about the latest DS trainer--
it's gotten heavier apparently, and not everyone liked it. I
went with the DS Verdict (lightweight cushioning) instead
and liked it (see my review).

Like Top asked -- what sort of shoes do you wear now ? Do
you wear flats for racing, and if so, which ones ?

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

[Topcounsel]

>I saw some unfavourable comments about the latest DS trainer--

I will add to them. I like the ASICS brand as a rule, but
the last 2 incarnations of the DS-Trainer have departed from
the original concept for the shoe. It now is a weirdly-
muddled and, for me, an injury-risking, design. While still
pretty spartan in overall design, it has a too-stiff-for-the-rest-of-
it midsole stiffener, which prevents needed flexibility in
the forefoot/midfoot transition area. For me, this puts
undue stress on my achilles tendons. ASICS has other similar
models that I would consider, but the newer DS-Trainers I
own are retired as running shoes.

[Open Piper]

The Nikes are CRAP! DO NOT BUY THEM!

illpritjr@spamhole.com (Bill) wrote in message
news:<15b4be0.0403101101.3f8d3b48@posting.google.com>...
> I am looking at these to replace my old shoes
>
> note I will be beginning the SEAL Warning Order
> workout then the 12-week to SEAL BUD/S workout
> prepared by Stew Smith
>
> ASICS Gel-DS Trainer IX - $95
>
> New Balance 900 - $95
>
> Nike Air Pegasus 2004 - $70
>
> all three are rated high in the various running magazines,
> just wondering if anyone has any personal exp. with them

[Bill]

Actually replacing some old version of Asics Gel Trainers I
got in late 2002

I have used Nike Air Pegasus also before

[Topcounsel]

>The Nikes are CRAP! DO NOT BUY THEM!

Probably 8 out of 10 of the Nike models are garbage IMHO,
and even a cursory inspection of their Made-in-China
"craftmanship" (e.g., ungrommetted laceholes crudely punched
through the cloth; very roughly-cut insoles) will tell you
this. On top of that, Nike has a penchant for frankly
bizarre, misguided designs (e.g., the Shox) that should lead
one to question the company's judgment as a whole. That
being said, Nike still makes good competition shoes for
track and cross-country, probably because these models are
still derived from early Bowerman designs (?). Many runners
do remain loyal to particular models (e.g., Pegasus, Skylon,
Perseus) with a history.

[Gentolm]

top i agree the shylon was the 1st running shoe i ever owned
and it was great , what do you think of the tailwind besides
over priced?? plodzilla

TopCounsel wrote:
>
> >The Nikes are CRAP! DO NOT BUY THEM!
>
> Probably 8 out of 10 of the Nike models are garbage IMHO,
> and even a cursory inspection of their Made-in-China
> "craftmanship" (e.g., ungrommetted laceholes crudely
> punched through the cloth; very roughly-cut insoles) will
> tell you this. On top of that, Nike has a penchant for
> frankly bizarre, misguided designs (e.g., the Shox) that
> should lead one to question the company's judgment as a
> whole. That being said, Nike still makes good competition
> shoes for track and cross-country, probably because these
> models are still derived from early Bowerman designs (?).
> Many runners do remain loyal to particular models (e.g.,
> Pegasus, Skylon, Perseus) with a history.

[Jim Johnson]

"TopCounsel" <topcounsel@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040310192141.02929.00001103@mb-m15.aol.com...
> >The Nikes are CRAP! DO NOT BUY THEM!
>
> Probably 8 out of 10 of the Nike models are garbage IMHO,
> and even a
cursory
> inspection of their Made-in-China "craftmanship" (e.g.,
> ungrommetted
laceholes
> crudely punched through the cloth; very roughly-cut
> insoles) will tell you this.

Where are the shoes that you consider having good
craftsmanship made?

>On top of that, Nike has a penchant for frankly bizarre,
>misguided designs (e.g., the Shox) that should lead one to
>question the company's judgment as a whole.

The only poor judgement Nike showed in relation to the Shox
was not making enough of them. Asics/New Balance/Adidas/etc.
would take Shox sales numbers in a heartbeat. I personally
don't run in them and probably never will but that doesn't
mean they're bad technology. No better or worse than EVA
IMO, just different.

Jim Johnson

[Jim Johnson]

"TopCounsel" <topcounsel@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040311123606.20326.00001239@mb-m04.aol.com...
> >The only poor judgement Nike showed in relation to the
> >Shox was not
making
> >enough of them. Asics/New Balance/Adidas/etc. would take
> >Shox sales
numbers in
> a heartbeat.
>
> By this logic, Ford should have made more Pintos (those
> are the ones that exploded). Who is buying the Shox, and
> who actually runs in them? I do
not
> see them on folks I know who run regularly. In any event,
> from what I
know of
> knees and running, such a design is pure foolishness and
> what one other
poster
> to this NG referred to as "eye candy" for the uninformed.

I would agree with this, sales figures do not prove the
worth of a shoe. But I see quite a few people running in the
Shox and I always make it a point to ask them how they like
their shoes since we sell them at our shop. I've never had
one person say they disliked these shoes. Now granted, most
of the people who buy them are under the age of 30 and are
casual runners but they're still happy with the choice they
made. I don't think the Shox is bad technology or dangerous
just different. It basically does the same thing a Pegasus
does just in a different package.

Jim Johnson