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George wrote:
> >
> >PS - I happen to disagree with one of Dr. Chung's answers
> > earlier in this thread and would be happy to discuss
> > it with you via e-mail. But I have learned not to
> > publicly discuss an opinion that might vary with one
> > of his. I did that before - and his response was to
> > file a false police report against me and to file a
> > frivolous complaint against me with the Georgia
> > Medical Board. That's what happens when doctors dare
> > to tread on his turf, which is why his word reigns
> > supreme here.
>
> He filed charges against you etc. because of something you
> said on newsgroups? If that's true then you have to be
> kidding me.
Dr. Stephen Nagler is kidding himself.
> 3/4 of the stsuff on these groups is BS anyways. It's
> definitely "buyer beware" on a newsgroup and anyone with
> half a brain knows to quadruple check anything you find
> poseted here if it is important.
The charges that are pending against Dr. Nagler are for
"cyberstalking."
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
**
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On 11 Mar 2004 13:06:11 -0600, "Howard McCollister" <olive@oyle.net>
wrote:
>
>"Stephen Nagler" <nagler@tinn.com> wrote in message
>news:4ob150dnnk6qh2qm995ge7dgqrdk7oh8fk@4ax.com...
>
>> PS - I happen to disagree with one of Dr. Chung's answers
>> earlier in this thread and would be happy to discuss
>> it with you via e-mail. But I have learned not to
>> publicly discuss an opinion that might vary with one
>> of his. I did that before - and his response was to
>> file a false police report against me and to file a
>> frivolous complaint against me with the Georgia
>> Medical Board. That's what happens when doctors dare
>> to tread on his turf, which is why his word reigns
>> supreme here.
>
>I wouldn't say that Andrew's word reigns supreme here. I
>think it's more accurate to say that all of the
>physicians who post here recognize the pointlessness of
>arguing with him.
>
>HMc
>
...............
It's not a question of "arguing" with Dr. Chung.
It's a question of expressing an opinion that differs with
his.
And when that happens HE makes it into an argument. Of
course his response is that everything is a matter of "free
will" (it takes two to have an argument) - but by then the
point you were trying to make in disagreeing with him has
disappeared deep into the depths of a thread.
Howard, that is why docs who happen to find this place tend
not to stay very long - and it is that process that makes
Dr. Chung's word reign supreme here.
Well Dr. Chung has picked the wrong doctor to screw with. He
has picked the wrong doctor to file a false police report
against. And he has picked the wrong doctor to file a
frivolous complaint with the medical board against.
smn
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 03:19:38 GMT, Captain America
<Captain@America.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>Thanks for mentioning the hospital portion which is
>something I do have a question on. Assuming a person is
>admitted to a hospital for treatment in a emergency or non-
>emergency scenario, I noticed that with each physician
>regardless if they are GP/FP or Board Certified - they are
>always affiliated with certain hospitals as part of their
>medical group or individually. But at the hospital for
>visits by physicians, I've seen people in Internal Medicine
>as well as Surgeon's visit patients but never Family
>Practice/General Practice when it comes to visits since
>they always send someone else who is in Internal Medicine,
>are they not allowed to visit their own patients even as
>their Primary Care physicians?
>
>Captain
..................
Policies may vary from hospital to hospital, but in
general those primary care physicians who do not have
privileges at a hospital may visit their patients and even
write notes in the patient's chart. But they cannot write
orders in the chart.
smn
Howard McCollister wrote:
> "Stephen Nagler" <nagler@tinn.com> wrote in message
> news:4ob150dnnk6qh2qm995ge7dgqrdk7oh8fk@4ax.com...
>
> > PS - I happen to disagree with one of Dr. Chung's
> > answers earlier in this thread and would be happy to
> > discuss it with you via e-mail. But I have learned
> > not to publicly discuss an opinion that might vary
> > with one of his. I did that before - and his response
> > was to file a false police report against me and to
> > file a frivolous complaint against me with the
> > Georgia Medical Board. That's what happens when
> > doctors dare to tread on his turf, which is why his
> > word reigns supreme here.
>
> I wouldn't say that Andrew's word reigns supreme here. I
> think it's more accurate to say that all of the
> physicians who post here recognize the pointlessness of
> arguing with him.
>
> HMc
In a word: wisdom :-)
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W1F522557
What is all this about?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J2DB148A7
Is this spam?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867
"Captain America" <Captain@America.org.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns94A9C7F84DCDACaptainAmericaORG@208.201.224.154...
>
> I noticed that for Family Practice and General Practice,
> only a few of the doctors actually have the certification
> but generally, for those two. Isn't pretty much anyone who
> completes Medical School and does the residency already
> competent in those areas? I noticed Surgeon's usually are
> board certified for surgery and then they still do General
> Practice or Family Practice.
I don't know any board certified general surgeons that also
do family practice. There may be some old timers in rural
practices somewhere that still do that, but that old breed
is dying off, and with good reason. I'm a board certified
General Surgeon, but I'm no more competent to do Family
Practice than I am to do Neurosurgery or Rocket Science.
And, as Dr. Anon has mentioned, at length,....there is no
such specialty as General Practice.
> >
> What about if a doctor who lists themselves as Internal
Medicine/Cardiology
> as their specialty but they are not board eligible and not
> certified.
If a doctor has an MD degree and opens a practice, he can
call himself a cardiologist, an internist...A doctor can
call his practice anything he wants.
>
>> I'm sure they can legally perform surgery or anything
>> medical related
since
> their license is for both Physician and Surgery, atleast
> in the State of California is concerned. Speaking about
> surgery, doctors usually have certain hospitals they are
> affiliated with. If there was a emergency situation with
> their patients and it's not one of those hospitals, can
> the doctor actually still perform his medical treatments
> there or does he have to have someone who is in the staff
> of that hospital perform it?
A doctor can't order any medical treatment or diagnostics
tests, or even a ham sandwich for his hospital patients
unless he has privileges to practice at that hospital. Some
hospitals make provisions for these doctors and allow
"courtesy" privileges to varying degrees.
>
> Thanks for the information. Just for reference, what does
> someone who is a Thorcaic surgeon actually do as far as
> surgery is concern?
A thoracic surgeon has done a complete 5-6 year residency in
General Surgery and is a Board Certified General Surgeon.
He/she has then elected to do an additional 2-3 year
fellowship to sub-specialize and be certified in Thoracic
Surgery, which is surgery of the chest, including heart,
lungs, and great vessels.
>Not sure if you know the answer to this question but assume
>that a person has a doctoral degree in a non-medical field
>as I've noticed that there are both engineers, scientists
>and lawyers who later got MD's. What do they have
to
> do exactly to become a doctor?
Having a Ph.D in mathematics has nothing to do with having
an MD degree. Such a "doctor" (Ph.D) would have to go
through 4 years of medical school and a complete residency
same as any other college graduate. In fact, most Ph.D's
would probably have to go back and pick up a numer of
additional college courses in able to meet the entrance
requirements for medical school.
George wrote:
> >
> >PS - I happen to disagree with one of Dr. Chung's answers
> > earlier in this thread and would be happy to discuss
> > it with you via e-mail. But I have learned not to
> > publicly discuss an opinion that might vary with one
> > of his. I did that before - and his response was to
> > file a false police report against me and to file a
> > frivolous complaint against me with the Georgia
> > Medical Board. That's what happens when doctors dare
> > to tread on his turf, which is why his word reigns
> > supreme here.
>
> He filed charges against you etc. because of something you
> said on newsgroups? If that's true then you have to be
> kidding me.
Dr. Stephen Nagler is kidding himself.
> 3/4 of the stsuff on these groups is BS anyways. It's
> definitely "buyer beware" on a newsgroup and anyone with
> half a brain knows to quadruple check anything you find
> poseted here if it is important.
The charges that are pending against Dr. Nagler are for
"cyberstalking."
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W1F522557
What is all this about?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J2DB148A7
Is this spam?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 03:19:38 GMT, Captain America
<Captain@America.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>Thanks for mentioning the hospital portion which is
>something I do have a question on. Assuming a person is
>admitted to a hospital for treatment in a emergency or non-
>emergency scenario, I noticed that with each physician
>regardless if they are GP/FP or Board Certified - they are
>always affiliated with certain hospitals as part of their
>medical group or individually. But at the hospital for
>visits by physicians, I've seen people in Internal Medicine
>as well as Surgeon's visit patients but never Family
>Practice/General Practice when it comes to visits since
>they always send someone else who is in Internal Medicine,
>are they not allowed to visit their own patients even as
>their Primary Care physicians?
>
>Captain
..................
Policies may vary from hospital to hospital, but in
general those primary care physicians who do not have
privileges at a hospital may visit their patients and even
write notes in the patient's chart. But they cannot write
orders in the chart.
smn
"Captain America" <Captain@America.org.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns94A9C7F84DCDACaptainAmericaORG@208.201.224.154...
>
> I noticed that for Family Practice and General Practice,
> only a few of the doctors actually have the certification
> but generally, for those two. Isn't pretty much anyone who
> completes Medical School and does the residency already
> competent in those areas? I noticed Surgeon's usually are
> board certified for surgery and then they still do General
> Practice or Family Practice.
I don't know any board certified general surgeons that also
do family practice. There may be some old timers in rural
practices somewhere that still do that, but that old breed
is dying off, and with good reason. I'm a board certified
General Surgeon, but I'm no more competent to do Family
Practice than I am to do Neurosurgery or Rocket Science.
And, as Dr. Anon has mentioned, at length,....there is no
such specialty as General Practice.
> >
> What about if a doctor who lists themselves as Internal
Medicine/Cardiology
> as their specialty but they are not board eligible and not
> certified.
If a doctor has an MD degree and opens a practice, he can
call himself a cardiologist, an internist...A doctor can
call his practice anything he wants.
>
>> I'm sure they can legally perform surgery or anything
>> medical related
since
> their license is for both Physician and Surgery, atleast
> in the State of California is concerned. Speaking about
> surgery, doctors usually have certain hospitals they are
> affiliated with. If there was a emergency situation with
> their patients and it's not one of those hospitals, can
> the doctor actually still perform his medical treatments
> there or does he have to have someone who is in the staff
> of that hospital perform it?
A doctor can't order any medical treatment or diagnostics
tests, or even a ham sandwich for his hospital patients
unless he has privileges to practice at that hospital. Some
hospitals make provisions for these doctors and allow
"courtesy" privileges to varying degrees.
>
> Thanks for the information. Just for reference, what does
> someone who is a Thorcaic surgeon actually do as far as
> surgery is concern?
A thoracic surgeon has done a complete 5-6 year residency in
General Surgery and is a Board Certified General Surgeon.
He/she has then elected to do an additional 2-3 year
fellowship to sub-specialize and be certified in Thoracic
Surgery, which is surgery of the chest, including heart,
lungs, and great vessels.
>Not sure if you know the answer to this question but assume
>that a person has a doctoral degree in a non-medical field
>as I've noticed that there are both engineers, scientists
>and lawyers who later got MD's. What do they have
to
> do exactly to become a doctor?
Having a Ph.D in mathematics has nothing to do with having
an MD degree. Such a "doctor" (Ph.D) would have to go
through 4 years of medical school and a complete residency
same as any other college graduate. In fact, most Ph.D's
would probably have to go back and pick up a numer of
additional college courses in able to meet the entrance
requirements for medical school.
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:27:21 -0500, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>The charges that are pending against Dr. Nagler are for
>"cyberstalking."
.............
"Pending?"
There are no charges "pending."
smn
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>The charges that are pending against Dr. Nagler are for
>"cyberstalking."
Andrew, if this is true -- if you filed such a complaint --
then I think you need to be introduced to some real
cyberstalkers so you can learn what real cyberstalking is.
I've seen your web site, I've heard your accusations here,
and I've even spoken with you personally about it. I've also
met some of your victims. Yes, victims. Your misuse of this
accusation has gotten completely out of hand. Debate and
argument, even if vehement and personal, is *not*
cyberstalking. Disagreeing with you, even insulting you, is
*not* cyberstalking. Neither is writing nasty messages in
your guestbook.
Your accusations will never succeed in a court of law,
Andrew, and one of the reasons is the simple fact that you
aren't as lilly pure as you claim. You know it, I know it,
and your ISP knows it too. If you push one of these
accusations into court, I predict you will regret it.
You are causing good people real harm. Stop this destructive
behavior and seek counseling before one of these people
takes *you* to court and destroys your life.
Just some advice. I don't expect you to take it, but there
you have it.
Stephen Nagler <nagler@tinn.com> wrote in
news:ueb250t14fct088n4bisk6br1frmbad77d@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 03:19:38 GMT, Captain America
> <Captain@America.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Thanks for mentioning the hospital portion which is
>>something I do have a question on. Assuming a person is
>>admitted to a hospital for treatment in a emergency or non-
>>emergency scenario, I noticed that with each physician
>>regardless if they are GP/FP or Board Certified - they are
>>always affiliated with certain hospitals as part of their
>>medical group or individually. But at the hospital for
>>visits by physicians, I've seen people in Internal
>>Medicine as well as Surgeon's visit patients but never
>>Family Practice/General Practice when it comes to visits
>>since they always send someone else who is in Internal
>>Medicine, are they not allowed to visit their own patients
>>even as their Primary Care physicians?
>>
>>Captain
>
> ..................
>
> Policies may vary from hospital to hospital, but in
> general those primary care physicians who do not have
> privileges at a hospital may visit their patients and even
> write notes in the patient's chart. But they cannot write
> orders in the chart.
>
> smn
I see what you mean. Is there any point to those non-
certified PCP's to be associated with those hospitals but
they don't have other privileges though?
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:27:21 -0500, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>The charges that are pending against Dr. Nagler are for
>"cyberstalking."
.............
"Pending?"
There are no charges "pending."
smn
"Howard McCollister" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in
news:40513dfa$0$10690$45beb828@newscene.com:
> "Captain America" <Captain@America.org.invalid> wrote in
> message
> news:Xns94A9C7F84DCDACaptainAmericaORG@208.201.224.154...
>
>>
>> I noticed that for Family Practice and General Practice,
>> only a few of the doctors actually have the certification
>> but generally, for those two. Isn't pretty much anyone
>> who completes Medical School and does the residency
>> already competent in those areas? I noticed Surgeon's
>> usually are board certified for surgery and then they
>> still do General Practice or Family Practice.
>
> I don't know any board certified general surgeons that
> also do family practice. There may be some old timers in
> rural practices somewhere that still do that, but that old
> breed is dying off, and with good reason. I'm a board
> certified General Surgeon, but I'm no more competent to do
> Family Practice than I am to do Neurosurgery or Rocket
> Science.
>
> And, as Dr. Anon has mentioned, at length,....there is no
> such specialty as General Practice.
Actually, what I meant by that is that on the AMA Physician
Select page, there are some doctors who are ABMS Certified
in General Surgery but under Primary Specialty, it does say
GENERAL PRACTICE. Is that something different than what I'm
thinking about? In the HMO Directory, they are listed under
Internal Medicine as well as General Surgery but not the
FP/GP sections.
>> What about if a doctor who lists themselves as Internal
> Medicine/Cardiology
>> as their specialty but they are not board eligible and
>> not certified.
>
> If a doctor has an MD degree and opens a practice, he can
> call himself a cardiologist, an internist...A doctor can
> call his practice anything he wants.
Interesting.
>>> I'm sure they can legally perform surgery or anything
>>> medical related
> since
>> their license is for both Physician and Surgery, atleast
>> in the State of California is concerned. Speaking about
>> surgery, doctors usually have certain hospitals they are
>> affiliated with. If there was a emergency situation with
>> their patients and it's not one of those hospitals, can
>> the doctor actually still perform his medical treatments
>> there or does he have to have someone who is in the staff
>> of that hospital perform it?
>
> A doctor can't order any medical treatment or diagnostics
> tests, or even a ham sandwich for his hospital patients
> unless he has privileges to practice at that hospital.
> Some hospitals make provisions for these doctors and allow
> "courtesy" privileges to varying degrees.
I see how that works now. Just was a little confused
earlier.
>> Thanks for the information. Just for reference, what does
>> someone who is a Thorcaic surgeon actually do as far as
>> surgery is concern?
>
> A thoracic surgeon has done a complete 5-6 year residency
> in General Surgery and is a Board Certified General
> Surgeon. He/she has then elected to do an additional 2-3
> year fellowship to sub-specialize and be certified in
> Thoracic Surgery, which is surgery of the chest, including
> heart, lungs, and great vessels.
Thanks for the explanation from both yourself and Dr. anon.
I was trying to look up the term thoracic and couldn't
really find what areas it actually covers.
>>Not sure if you know the answer to this question but
>>assume that a person has a doctoral degree in a non-
>>medical field as I've noticed that there are both
>>engineers, scientists and lawyers who later got MD's. What
>>do they have
> to
>> do exactly to become a doctor?
>
> Having a Ph.D in mathematics has nothing to do with having
> an MD degree. Such a "doctor" (Ph.D) would have to go
> through 4 years of medical school and a complete residency
> same as any other college graduate. In fact, most Ph.D's
> would probably have to go back and pick up a numer of
> additional college courses in able to meet the entrance
> requirements for medical school.
Yeah, I know. PhD is really a Doctor in Philosophy and not a
Doctor in Medicine. It's Graduate (Medical) School in this
sense one has to go through but how do some doctors actually
get PhD's in Medicine in addition to MD's. I guess for the
entrance requirements, one would have to take the MCAT as
well as take the same courses that are needed to graduate in
undergrad for Organic Chemistry or Biochemistry.
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>The charges that are pending against Dr. Nagler are for
>"cyberstalking."
Andrew, if this is true -- if you filed such a complaint --
then I think you need to be introduced to some real
cyberstalkers so you can learn what real cyberstalking is.
I've seen your web site, I've heard your accusations here,
and I've even spoken with you personally about it. I've also
met some of your victims. Yes, victims. Your misuse of this
accusation has gotten completely out of hand. Debate and
argument, even if vehement and personal, is *not*
cyberstalking. Disagreeing with you, even insulting you, is
*not* cyberstalking. Neither is writing nasty messages in
your guestbook.
Your accusations will never succeed in a court of law,
Andrew, and one of the reasons is the simple fact that you
aren't as lilly pure as you claim. You know it, I know it,
and your ISP knows it too. If you push one of these
accusations into court, I predict you will regret it.
You are causing good people real harm. Stop this destructive
behavior and seek counseling before one of these people
takes *you* to court and destroys your life.
Just some advice. I don't expect you to take it, but there
you have it.
Stephen Nagler <nagler@tinn.com> wrote in
news:ueb250t14fct088n4bisk6br1frmbad77d@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 03:19:38 GMT, Captain America
> <Captain@America.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Thanks for mentioning the hospital portion which is
>>something I do have a question on. Assuming a person is
>>admitted to a hospital for treatment in a emergency or non-
>>emergency scenario, I noticed that with each physician
>>regardless if they are GP/FP or Board Certified - they are
>>always affiliated with certain hospitals as part of their
>>medical group or individually. But at the hospital for
>>visits by physicians, I've seen people in Internal
>>Medicine as well as Surgeon's visit patients but never
>>Family Practice/General Practice when it comes to visits
>>since they always send someone else who is in Internal
>>Medicine, are they not allowed to visit their own patients
>>even as their Primary Care physicians?
>>
>>Captain
>
> ..................
>
> Policies may vary from hospital to hospital, but in
> general those primary care physicians who do not have
> privileges at a hospital may visit their patients and even
> write notes in the patient's chart. But they cannot write
> orders in the chart.
>
> smn
I see what you mean. Is there any point to those non-
certified PCP's to be associated with those hospitals but
they don't have other privileges though?
"Howard McCollister" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in
news:40513dfa$0$10690$45beb828@newscene.com:
> "Captain America" <Captain@America.org.invalid> wrote in
> message
> news:Xns94A9C7F84DCDACaptainAmericaORG@208.201.224.154...
>
>>
>> I noticed that for Family Practice and General Practice,
>> only a few of the doctors actually have the certification
>> but generally, for those two. Isn't pretty much anyone
>> who completes Medical School and does the residency
>> already competent in those areas? I noticed Surgeon's
>> usually are board certified for surgery and then they
>> still do General Practice or Family Practice.
>
> I don't know any board certified general surgeons that
> also do family practice. There may be some old timers in
> rural practices somewhere that still do that, but that old
> breed is dying off, and with good reason. I'm a board
> certified General Surgeon, but I'm no more competent to do
> Family Practice than I am to do Neurosurgery or Rocket
> Science.
>
> And, as Dr. Anon has mentioned, at length,....there is no
> such specialty as General Practice.
Actually, what I meant by that is that on the AMA Physician
Select page, there are some doctors who are ABMS Certified
in General Surgery but under Primary Specialty, it does say
GENERAL PRACTICE. Is that something different than what I'm
thinking about? In the HMO Directory, they are listed under
Internal Medicine as well as General Surgery but not the
FP/GP sections.
>> What about if a doctor who lists themselves as Internal
> Medicine/Cardiology
>> as their specialty but they are not board eligible and
>> not certified.
>
> If a doctor has an MD degree and opens a practice, he can
> call himself a cardiologist, an internist...A doctor can
> call his practice anything he wants.
Interesting.
>>> I'm sure they can legally perform surgery or anything
>>> medical related
> since
>> their license is for both Physician and Surgery, atleast
>> in the State of California is concerned. Speaking about
>> surgery, doctors usually have certain hospitals they are
>> affiliated with. If there was a emergency situation with
>> their patients and it's not one of those hospitals, can
>> the doctor actually still perform his medical treatments
>> there or does he have to have someone who is in the staff
>> of that hospital perform it?
>
> A doctor can't order any medical treatment or diagnostics
> tests, or even a ham sandwich for his hospital patients
> unless he has privileges to practice at that hospital.
> Some hospitals make provisions for these doctors and allow
> "courtesy" privileges to varying degrees.
I see how that works now. Just was a little confused
earlier.
>> Thanks for the information. Just for reference, what does
>> someone who is a Thorcaic surgeon actually do as far as
>> surgery is concern?
>
> A thoracic surgeon has done a complete 5-6 year residency
> in General Surgery and is a Board Certified General
> Surgeon. He/she has then elected to do an additional 2-3
> year fellowship to sub-specialize and be certified in
> Thoracic Surgery, which is surgery of the chest, including
> heart, lungs, and great vessels.
Thanks for the explanation from both yourself and Dr. anon.
I was trying to look up the term thoracic and couldn't
really find what areas it actually covers.
>>Not sure if you know the answer to this question but
>>assume that a person has a doctoral degree in a non-
>>medical field as I've noticed that there are both
>>engineers, scientists and lawyers who later got MD's. What
>>do they have
> to
>> do exactly to become a doctor?
>
> Having a Ph.D in mathematics has nothing to do with having
> an MD degree. Such a "doctor" (Ph.D) would have to go
> through 4 years of medical school and a complete residency
> same as any other college graduate. In fact, most Ph.D's
> would probably have to go back and pick up a numer of
> additional college courses in able to meet the entrance
> requirements for medical school.
Yeah, I know. PhD is really a Doctor in Philosophy and not a
Doctor in Medicine. It's Graduate (Medical) School in this
sense one has to go through but how do some doctors actually
get PhD's in Medicine in addition to MD's. I guess for the
entrance requirements, one would have to take the MCAT as
well as take the same courses that are needed to graduate in
undergrad for Organic Chemistry or Biochemistry.
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:40:38 GMT, Stephen Nagler <nagler@tinn.com>
wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:27:21 -0500, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung,
>MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>
>
>>The charges that are pending against Dr. Nagler are for
>>"cyberstalking."
>
>.............
>
>"Pending?"
>
>There are no charges "pending."
>
>smn
.................
In fact, there were never any "charges" at all!
What the hell are you talking about, Dr. Chung? A specious
complaint you filed with the police? That's not "charges."
That's a blatantly false accusation. "Charges" happen when
the police give any credibility to the complaint. There were
no charges.
smn
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:40:38 GMT, Stephen Nagler <nagler@tinn.com>
wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:27:21 -0500, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung,
>MD/PhD" <andrew@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>
>
>>The charges that are pending against Dr. Nagler are for
>>"cyberstalking."
>
>.............
>
>"Pending?"
>
>There are no charges "pending."
>
>smn
.................
In fact, there were never any "charges" at all!
What the hell are you talking about, Dr. Chung? A specious
complaint you filed with the police? That's not "charges."
That's a blatantly false accusation. "Charges" happen when
the police give any credibility to the complaint. There were
no charges.
smn
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 04:40:21 GMT, Captain America
<Captain@America.org.invalid> wrote:
>I see what you mean. Is there any point to those non-
>certified PCP's to be associated with those hospitals but
>they don't have other privileges though?
................
Well, if you are formally associated with a hospital, you
can - for instance - attend weekly educational seminars
there and get CME (Continuing Medical Education) credits.
Physicians not associated with the hospital can in almost
all cases attend the seminars, but they would typically not
get the CME credits, which are necessary for maintaining a
medical license.
I am sure there are other reasons, but that one just popped
into my head. In fact, it's one of the reasons that although
I am retired from the practice of surgery, I still maintain
a formal association with the hospital where I once
practiced and where, in fact, I once served as Chief of
General Surgery.
By the way, it was at one of those very seminars - a medical
grand rounds lecture - around two months ago that I heard
Dr. Agatston (of South Beach Diet fame) speak. And the rest,
as they say, is history.
See:
http://tinyurl.com/yw782
smn
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 04:40:21 GMT, Captain America
<Captain@America.org.invalid> wrote:
>I see what you mean. Is there any point to those non-
>certified PCP's to be associated with those hospitals but
>they don't have other privileges though?
................
Well, if you are formally associated with a hospital, you
can - for instance - attend weekly educational seminars
there and get CME (Continuing Medical Education) credits.
Physicians not associated with the hospital can in almost
all cases attend the seminars, but they would typically not
get the CME credits, which are necessary for maintaining a
medical license.
I am sure there are other reasons, but that one just popped
into my head. In fact, it's one of the reasons that although
I am retired from the practice of surgery, I still maintain
a formal association with the hospital where I once
practiced and where, in fact, I once served as Chief of
General Surgery.
By the way, it was at one of those very seminars - a medical
grand rounds lecture - around two months ago that I heard
Dr. Agatston (of South Beach Diet fame) speak. And the rest,
as they say, is history.
See:
http://tinyurl.com/yw782
smn
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