Kew Crit 17.4.04 - Page 2

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Story of my life!

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'ungrounded' Dutch...

>Originally posted by Geoff
>I was also keeping an eye out for a guy on a Peugeot
>matching the description of Hippy but he wasn't there
>either .

He was busy suffering a woeful climb up the 1:20...

Methinks time off the bike could be needed?

hippy

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I read somewhere (so it automatically becomes a fact!) that if you take 1 week out of normal training it takes you 6 weeks to regain the same level of fitness. Now that's gonna mess with your head Hipsta

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'ungrounded' Dutch...

>Originally posted by flyingdutch
>I read somewhere (so it automatically becomes a fact!) that
>if you take 1 week out of normal training it takes you 6
>weeks to regain the same level of fitness. Now that's
>gonna mess with your head Hipsta

You prick! :P
It's too bad coz I'm going O.S. for 4 weeks, so training
stops regardless of what I want to happen. Screw the
bike, I'm going on holiday!!

I've taken more than 6 wks off before and come back
and won races, so I guess (as usual) it all 'depends'.
If I'm just going to get slower and slower with what I
am doing now, then obviously 'something' needs to
change. I can't see myself doing more, other than
starting riding to work again (when I get better lights?)
and that would have to be a well-managed, keep eye
on HRM, low-intensity thing, not then usual chase-fest
I make it.

Anyone with coaching experience out there?
What can I do to go faster? Train more or train less?
How can I tell if I am adequately recovered?
I need to speak to Carl again about coaching.. I'm
never going to develop an effective program alone.
Ahh, this is supposed to be fun :P

hippy

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Shabby <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message news:<mi66c.2767$Dy1.628@fe09.usenetserver.com>...
> flyingdutch wrote:
> > My 2nd go at racing Me and a dude on a yello C'dale
> > alternated at thef ront and it felt like we were going
> > to drop the other 3. Then we pass the line and the
> > Bell is donged at us. Right, 3 laps to go, my memory
> > recalls from the start-brief. The pace ups a bit and i
> > wheel- suck like a 'hippy-on-heat'! Cdale man and
> > another go to the front going ito the hairpin and try
> > to take off going up the hill, me sittng and spinning.
> > Im aiming to have a go down the back straight. the
> > other 3 come up next to and infront of me. we approach
> > the line again AND THE BUGGER IS HOLDING UP THE
> > FLAG!#@#!@#@#!!!!! What happened to 3 laps? Cdale guy
> > says he thought the same thing, so obviously we both
> > made the same mistake. Dooooh!
>
>
>
> It's already been said, but the bell is the last lap. If
> you hear a whistle, that's a sprint lap (unless they've
> lost the bell).
>
> If someone's on a Cannondale, there's a 99% chance they
> are (or were) a triathlete. Hence, don't take any racing
> tactics from them, like trying to keep the pace high
> towards the end of a race, or thinking that the bell means
> three to go (ie. dragging people around to set them up for
> the sprint).
>

That's right - if Gilberto Simoni makes a late break, don't
bother because he probably miscounted the laps...

tee hee

Ritch

G'day hippy,

lets talk when you come back from the 'Womans weekly world discovery tour thingy'. Whilst training regimes are different for all cyclists, one of the few constants is that 'Thou shall not train hard ALL the time'. You need to throw in 'easy' days with 'hard' days, easy weeks, with hard weeks. Charging up the 1/20 as fast as you can will do you more harm than good , if that is the only 'type' of training you are doing. think about what you want to achieve (realistically) from your cycling. Once you have goals set, you can design a training program to help you achieve them,

cheers,

Hitchy

>lets talk when you come back from the 'Womans weekly
>world discovery tour thingy'.

It's the 'Lady May's European Fun-Filled Fantasy Travel
Tour of Fun and Games and More Fun'

>Whilst training regimes are different for all cyclists, one
>of the few constants is that 'Thou shall not train hard
>ALL the time'.

I think I fall into the same trap every year.. I'm either
'ON' or 'OFF'. There never seems to be any in between.
How long is it gonna take for my brain to realise this!?

>You need to throw in 'easy' days with
>'hard' days, easy weeks, with hard weeks. Charging
>up the 1/20 as fast as you can will do you more harm
>than good , if that is the only 'type' of training you are
>doing. think about what you want to achieve
>(realistically) from your cycling. Once you have goals
>set, you can design a training program to help you
>achieve them,

Hmm.. goal setting.. another problem for me, hence the
"flat out or not at all" mentality. I just want to win races
and get faster doing so. As for goals, I don't aim to do well
in any particular races, I just try and do the best on the day
at all races. Crits are really my thing and track should be
playing more of a roll next year but I'll have a stab at road
races, mtb races and all manner of other riding things..

What sort of goals do you set yourself?

hippy

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G'day,

Don't be to 'down' on yourself about your cycling goals. Wanting to 'win & go fast' every weekend at the club crit, is a perfectly valid goal. The training required to do that, is different to someone who's goal is, say , 'melb to Warney'. Just because your aspirations are different, doesn't make them any less valid. You can still devise a training program to help you achieve those goals. Assuming that crits & track are shorter, more 'power' oriented than say a 200k RR, means that your training needs to be concentrated on areas that are gunna support that goal. Going out & doing 4hrs @ 65% MHR will mean less to YOUR goals than 1 hour of intervals @ 85-90%. So having some idea of what you wanna achieve means you can devise the plan to achieve it. Train SMARTER not HARDER,

cheers,

Hitchy

>Originally posted by Hitchy
>Don't be to 'down' on yourself about your cycling goals.

It's in my nature :P

>Wanting to 'win & go fast' every weekend at the club
>crit, is a perfectly valid goal.

Cool

>Assuming that crits & track are shorter, more 'power'
>oriented than say a 200k RR, means that your training
>needs to be concentrated on areas that are gunna
>support that goal. Going out & doing 4hrs @ 65% MHR
>will mean less to YOUR goals than 1 hour of intervals
>@ 85-90%.

Don't have any cool references for power work handy?
I don't wanna be a gym monkey like the hardcore
trackies, nor do I only want to do a 1min effort and
then spend the next hour rolling around and doing
another 1min effort.. there has to be some provision
for longer rides but they certainly wont be a focus
unless they are needed for 'base' building (which I
never do properly).

1hr long rides at near-max with sprints in the middle?

>Train SMARTER not HARDER.

You have no idea how many times I've been told that!

thicky hippy

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Ritch wrote:
>>If someone's on a Cannondale, there's a 99% chance they
>>are (or were) a triathlete. Hence, don't take any racing
>>tactics from them, like trying to keep the pace high
>>towards the end of a race, or thinking that the bell means
>>three to go (ie. dragging people around to set them up for
>>the sprint).

I guess "The Machine" must be another member of that small
1% .... :-)

http://www.randwickbotanycc.com/Resu.../Results%2028-
%20Feb%202004/results_28%20Feb%202004.htm

or:

http://tinyurl.com/yu5ph

I definitely woulddn't be taking pace advice from him!

&roo

>Originally posted by Andrew Swan
>I guess "The Machine" must be another member of that
>small 1% .... :-)
>
>http://tinyurl.com/yu5ph

There's one of these red 'dales sitting in my LBS
looking quite uh, 'smashed to bits'.
Dropout snapped, seattube dented badly, stays
dented badly, maybe toptube destruction? Possibly
other stuff mashed too, but I had to look away
before I broke down in tears...

hippy

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