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At the risk of starting a flamewar, I just wanted to say I'm
not really game to read aus.bicycle for the time of the Tour de France,
in case someone posts the results of last-nights Tour de France stage
before I can get home and watch my recording of it.
Especially when it's gonna be splashed in capitals in the
subject line. Sure this is a fairly petty request, but this
year I want to spend the month getting home with at least a
pinch of excitement about finding out what went on in the
days racing.

I think the only thing I can do is read usenet 1 day
behind...

So I hereby reverve the right to put my two-bobs worth in
long after any aus.bicycle arguments are settled (like a
settlement is ever reached in aus.bicycle anyway)

I could go on about spoiler space, but I think it's probably
time wasted.

-kt

"kingsley" <kingsley@maddogsbreakfast.com.au> wrote in message
newsan.2004.07.05.08.08.43.217580@maddogsbreakfast.com.au
> At the risk of starting a flamewar, I just wanted to say
> I'm not really game to read aus.bicycle for the time of
> the Tour de France, in case someone posts the results of last-nights
> Tour de France stage before I can get home and watch my recording of
> it. Especially when it's gonna be splashed in capitals in
> the subject line. Sure this is a fairly petty request,

Not at all, it's quite reasonable to ask people to give fair
warning if they're going to post things like race results.
If they can do it for things like movie plots they surely
can do it for the Tour de France.

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Yes, but it is NEWS, in the public domain. It's happened. The fact that SBS does an increasingly dodgy, sponsor-polluted and abbreviated wrap-up at an arbitrary time in the evening doesn't mean us folks with a bit of time on our hands can't discuss the NEWS in an open forum. Sorry fellas, if you can check Usenet, you can go to cyclingnews.com/latest and have a look for yourself. You might even get some visuals (stills).

IMO, cycling is not just the result, but the way in which the result was arrived at. Phil Liggett's rambling and prognosticating on Erik Zabel's birthday win last time they were in Belgium. Paul Sherwin's eternal team-member confusion. [grumble] With race radios, it's becoming more choreographed and less exciting anyway. Bring back lone suicide breakaways and two-up time trials, I say.[/grumble]

Euro cable would make it a bit more irksome. People bragging they'd seen 2hrs coverage on their time slip DVD recorder would be a bit too much. So I'm drawing the line, OK? No bragging about all the coverage you've got on DVD, ok? (Or let me watch it?)

"kingsley" <kingsley@maddogsbreakfast.com.au> wrote in message
newsan.2004.07.05.08.08.43.217580@maddogsbreakfast.com.au...
> At the risk of starting a flamewar, I just wanted to say
> I'm not really game to read aus.bicycle for the time of
> the Tour de France, in case someone posts the results of last-nights
> Tour de France stage before I can get home and watch my recording of
> it. Especially when it's gonna be splashed in capitals in
> the subject line. Sure this is a fairly petty request, but
> this year I want to spend the month getting home with at
> least a pinch of excitement about finding out what went on
> in the days racing.
>
> I think the only thing I can do is read usenet 1 day
> behind...
>
> So I hereby reverve the right to put my two-bobs worth in
> long after any aus.bicycle arguments are settled (like
> a settlement is ever reached in aus.bicycle anyway)
>
> I could go on about spoiler space, but I think it's
> probably time wasted.
>
> -kt
>
>

That's a good thing to do. You can't expect people to hold
back their excitement so as not to spoil the suprise for
everyone else. That's like Melbournes Greek soccer fans not
mentioning winning the finals until the replay of the match
is shown on TV the next day. The internet is an
instantaneous medium and waits for no man. I don't want to
get into a flame war either but let us enjoy Robbies (or any
Australian ) win the second he crosses the line, not 24
hours later. Imagine Robbie getting on the internet after
his win to see how it was received at home, only to find no
mention of it at all !

Go Aussie go!!

Marty

Seeing that last night's result has already been mentioned
on every morning TV show, on morning radio, and on any
number of internet news sites, you'd better spend the next
three weeks living in a barrel and only emerge for half an
hour a day to watch the replay.

Nick

"kingsley" <kingsley@maddogsbreakfast.com.au> wrote in
message newsan.2004.07.05.08.08.43.217580@maddogsbreakfas-
t.com.au...
> At the risk of starting a flamewar, I just wanted to say
> I'm not really game to read aus.bicycle for the time of
> the Tour de France, in case someone posts the results of last-nights
> Tour de France stage before I can get home and watch my recording of
> it. Especially when it's gonna be splashed in capitals in
> the subject line. Sure this is a fairly petty request, but
> this year I want to spend the month getting home with at
> least a pinch of excitement about finding out what went on
> in the days racing.
>
> I think the only thing I can do is read usenet 1 day
> behind...
>
> So I hereby reverve the right to put my two-bobs worth in
> long after any aus.bicycle arguments are settled (like
> a settlement is ever reached in aus.bicycle anyway)
>
> I could go on about spoiler space, but I think it's
> probably time wasted.
>
> -kt

You get my vote

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"DRS" <drs@remove.this.ihug.com.au> wrote in message news:<cccf0n$jvj$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>...
> "kingsley" <kingsley@maddogsbreakfast.com.au> wrote in
> message newsan.2004.07.05.08.08.43.217580@maddogsbreakf-
> ast.com.au
> > At the risk of starting a flamewar, I just wanted to say
> > I'm not really game to read aus.bicycle for the time of
> > the Tour de France, in case someone posts the results of last-
> > nights Tour de France stage before I can get home and watch my
> > recording of it. Especially when it's gonna be splashed
> > in capitals in the subject line. Sure this is a fairly
> > petty request,
>
> Not at all, it's quite reasonable to ask people to give
> fair warning if they're going to post things like race
> results. If they can do it for things like movie plots
> they surely can do it for the Tour de France.

First ever post to aus.bicycle, July 8 th 1990

"welcome to aus.bicyle"

Second ever post July 8 th 1990

"Olaf Ludwig wins stage 8"

Perhaps only me, but it's a pet hate of mine to read posts
complaining of having a result "spoilt" when visiting a news
group. C'mon, what do you expect ? It's an anonymous posting
service populated by a huge number of morons who exist to
cause havoc.

If you don't want to know, don't log in. And if you don't
want to know, but do log in, and then you know, well, you've
only got your self to blame.

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:24:44 +1000, LAN Support wrote:

> Seeing that last night's result has already been mentioned
> on every morning TV show, on morning radio, and on any
> number of internet news sites, you'd better spend the next
> three weeks living in a barrel and only emerge for half an
> hour a day to watch the replay.

I do, it's called CityRail.

Easy to avoid news before 7am, and (with any luck) I have
the recording when I get home at 7pm.

-kt

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"kingsley" <kingsley@maddogsbreakfast.com.au> wrote in
message
> I do, it's called CityRail.
>
> Easy to avoid news before 7am, and (with any luck) I have
> the recording when I get home at 7pm.

a.k.a. Connex a.k.a. pushie. I manage to avoid all news
until 6pm and I'm not even trying. I just have no
interest in all the crap that's fed to us in
newspapers and on tv.. I usually try to read the
cyclingnews live feed and then watch my copy when I
finally make it home.

Stage 2 was stack-a-rama eh?! Pave coming up today...

hippy

"Marty Wallace" <mart@geo.net.au> wrote in message
news:40e9e290$0$27221$61ce578d@news.syd.swiftdsl.com.au
> "kingsley" <kingsley@maddogsbreakfast.com.au> wrote in
> message newsan.2004.07.05.08.08.43.217580@maddogsbreakf-
> ast.com.au...
>> At the risk of starting a flamewar, I just wanted to say
>> I'm not really game to read aus.bicycle for the time of
>> the Tour de France, in case someone posts the results of last-nights
>> Tour de France stage before I can get home and watch my recording of
>> it. Especially when it's gonna be splashed in capitals in
>> the subject line. Sure this is a fairly petty request,
>> but this year I want to spend the month getting home with
>> at least a pinch of excitement about finding out what
>> went on in the days racing.
>>
>> I think the only thing I can do is read usenet 1 day
>> behind...
>>
>> So I hereby reverve the right to put my two-bobs worth in
>> long after any aus.bicycle arguments are settled (like
>> a settlement is ever reached in aus.bicycle anyway)
>>
>> I could go on about spoiler space, but I think it's
>> probably time wasted.
>
> That's a good thing to do. You can't expect people to hold
> back their excitement so as not to spoil the suprise for
> everyone else.

Yes, you can - at least of adults.

> That's like Melbournes Greek soccer fans not mentioning
> winning the finals until the replay of the match is shown
> on TV the next day. The internet is an instantaneous
> medium and waits for no man. I don't want to get into a
> flame war either but let us enjoy Robbies (or any
> Australian ) win the second he crosses the line, not 24
> hours later. Imagine Robbie getting on the internet after
> his win to see how it was received at home, only to find
> no mention of it at all !

Usenet is far from being an instantaneous medium, so much so
that Usenet guidelines advise against trying to use it as a
news source.

Besides, no-one is asking anyone not to express their
excitement, merely to do so in a manner which respects those
like Kingsley who want to watch the tape when they get home.
Using spoiler space is not difficult or onerous.

Oh, dear, I've talked about respect for others again. I
suppose that means

race result, regardless of who or how many people they piss
off.

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D R Sole is back on his hobby horse again :-)

I will admit in your case I would make an exception.

John L.

Wed, 7 Jul 2004 00:12:58 +1000, "DRS"
<drs@remove.this.ihug.com.au> wrote:

>Oh, dear, I've talked about respect for others again. I
>suppose that means

>race result, regardless of who or how many people they
>piss off.

"John L" <johnlawrence.spammerssoff@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:cafne01nv0s2fecsot5vef50mi4sb6ts3v@4ax.com
> D R Sole is back on his hobby horse again :-)

Yes, consideration for others is such a terrible idea, at
least for fools like you.

> I will admit in your case I would make an exception.

with your every post.

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IS THAT WHAT DRS stands for?

give us a clue. initials?
Doctor of 'S' (whatever that might involve. can you claim on medicare? )

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I'm sorry, I don't know you, but you come across in this medium as a bit anal-retentive. Accusing people of not being adult enough to delay gratification of discussing the Tour result until it is a day old, and a bit stale (given that there is new installments coming every day) is a bit of a control freaky thing to do.

News, where results are part of them, is discussed in a Forum, instantaneous or not. The Romans, when they put the name Forum to the place where people gathered and gossiped, didn't say, "Oh, we're not talking about that until Caesar has made his 6pm announcement", with all the processions, trumpets, bells and cymbals, did they? Things got tossed around, debated, analysed, turned into scuttlebutt, turned into fact, legend, myth, gossip. Then da man wid da words turned up.

We are different, in that we have access to reliable information as to the results straight away. We don't get unreliable rumours first, then the official version. But I like the analysis and speculation. It gets me thinking during the day.

If you don't want to know what happened, stay at home and don't go to the Forum:"I told him, Juli, don't go, I said to him Juli, I knew they were gonna kill him, Juli, I said, don't go . . ." But then you'd miss out on Calpurnia live.

M "No blood on this toga"H

"mfhor" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
news:1I%Gc.11514$gA.7057@fe02.usenetserver.com
> Drs wrote:
> > [B Yes, consideration for others is such a terrible
> > idea, at
> least for > fools like you.
>
> I'm sorry, I don't know you, but you come across in this
> medium as a bit anal-retentive. Accusing people of not
> being adult enough to delay gratification of discussing
> the Tour result until it is a day old, and a bit stale
> (given that there is new installments coming every day) is
> a bit of a control freaky thing to do.

I didn't ask anyone to not discuss anything. Have you never
heard of spoiler space? It works for movie plots and so on
so it can work for race results. It's not new and it's not
rocket science. It only requires a modicum of consideration
for others, something that seems beyond certain morons who
unhappily inhabit this precinct.

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