I've been thinking about rigging up a kayak to double as a trailer for touring. Serious long term
touring. It would be perfect aerodynamically. I would aim to irradicate having any panneirs at all.
The object would be to somehow be able to get the bicycle on the kayak when kayaking. I havn't
figured that bit as much because I have had only novicial encounters with kayaking. Or is it hard to
toe a trailer without weight on the back?

Examples of any other tourers whove done it?

Any feedback of what ever form is much appreciated.

Mrs Hung a 40 year old new immigrant from Hong Kong is shocked that our country is so empty.
Apparently she brought two boxes of pollution masks with her but was delighted to discover in
australia it would be somewhat odd thing to wear around. (Article on population reaching 20million
statistically today. The Age newspaper - today)

Jake wrote:
>
> I've been thinking about rigging up a kayak to double as a trailer for touring.

This is do able. You just have a long two wheel trailer for the kayak. Something as simple as a long
arm of chrome moly steel ($60/m?) with a nose and mid body U shape to strap canoe into. Thi is the
lightest trailer that I can think of and easily broken down to carry inside canoe.

> Serious long term touring. It would be perfect aerodynamically.

Perhaps in a forward direction, but not when the wind is from the side.

> I would aim to irradicate having any panneirs at all. The object would be to somehow be able to
> get the bicycle on the kayak when kayaking.

ROFL. Visions on bicycle mounted on bike rack behind paddler {:-). From my experience, kayaks are of
delicate balance any way, so the best bicycle would have to be able to be broken down and fit into
the kayak with the weight acting to improve balance. Something like a Moulton perhaps. Otherwise,
you might need to make your Kayak a Canadian canoe instead, or fit a large hatch in the rear.

> I havn't figured that bit as much because I have had only novicial encounters with kayaking. Or is
> it hard to toe a trailer without weight on the back?

Yep, you can toe the kayak, but that might put a hole in it {:-).

Keep in mind that you still have your weight of the equipment that would be in the panniers, plus
the weight of the kayak, plus the weight of the kayak trailer. So this is not going to save you
weight. Panniers are comparatively light and you will probably still have stuff sacks or even
waterproof barrels inside the kayak (?).

Traction (my guess as to what you really mean) is not normally a problem as most of it comes from
your **** on the seat. If traction is a problem, then you should be walking as the last thing you
would want to do is jack knife your bicycle into the kayak.

Biggest problem is high side winds. How do you attach a flag to rear end of kayak to warn cars?

Unless you are really attached to a kayak, have you considered an inflatable? with care, you could
carry a standard bike. The inflatable could fit into a Bob-style (one wheel) trailer.

> I've been thinking about rigging up a kayak to double as a trailer for touring. Serious long term
> touring. It would be perfect aerodynamically. I would aim to irradicate having any panneirs at
> all. The object would be to somehow be able to get the bicycle on the kayak when kayaking. I
> havn't figured that bit as much because I have had only novicial encounters with kayaking. Or is
> it hard to toe a trailer without weight on the back?
>
> Examples of any other tourers whove done it?
>
> Any feedback of what ever form is much appreciated.

I don't know about the practicalities of using a kayak as a substitute for panniers. For example, if
you were on a tour, how would you secure the kayak overnight? And kayaks can be heavy... my tourer
weighs in at about 18kg. Also I don't know about how you would go about fixing your bike to the
kayak while paddling. You'd have to balance the load perfectly, and there's the risk that if you had
it strapped on the deck then the bike would get water in all of the wrong places.

But towing a kayak behind a bike is pretty easy to accomplish, and there are a number of
commercially made trailers that do this. There are also a few "do it yourself" articles on the net.

Some links that might be useful:

http://www.bikesatwork.com/bike-trai...-bike-trailer/
http://www.victoriabybike.com/trailers.htm http://danenet.wicip.org/bcp/bike_trailers.html

Also, Sea Kayaker magazine ran a couple of articles last year about bike trailers for yaks. See if
you can track down a back issue -- if you're in a capital city, try visiting your local State
Library. I think that the State Library of Vic gets copies of Sea Kayaker. Or you can order back
issues from Sea Kayaker's website: http://www.seakayakermag.com/

Issue 86, Feb. 2002, page 29: ³Bike cart for kayaks² by Steve Nagode: Equipment review, Bicycle
kayak cart, EZ Top bicycle kayak cart

Issue 86, Feb. 2002, page 31: ³Do it yourself bike cart for kayaks² by Christopher Cunningham:
Do-it-yourself, Bicycle kayak cart

Or another option to look at would be to get a folding kayak and put it in a smaller bike trailer
such as a Bob. Feathercraft is one of the best makers of folding boats: http://www.feathercraft.com

Don't give up on your quest... cycling and kayaking are two of my favourite activities, and anyone
who finds a way to combine them gets two thumbs up from me!

cheers Juz

No but theres a problem. Where I go I don't want to leave anything behind that I have to recover. So
where do I put the trailer for the kayak when I leave? You see, I want the kayak to BE the trailer.
And when I'm kayaking I want to have the bike accounted for so that when I get ot the end of the
kayaking leg I resume the biking and interchange whenever. I'm planning to go touring for two-three
years. "Terry Collins" <terryc@woa.com.au> wrote in message news:3FD035DE.111B8A59@woa.com.au...
> Jake wrote:
> >
> > I've been thinking about rigging up a kayak to double as a trailer for touring.
>
> This is do able. You just have a long two wheel trailer for the kayak. Something as simple as a
> long arm of chrome moly steel ($60/m?) with a nose and mid body U shape to strap canoe into. Thi
> is the lightest trailer that I can think of and easily broken down to carry inside canoe.
>
>
> > Serious long term touring. It would be perfect aerodynamically.
>
> Perhaps in a forward direction, but not when the wind is from the side.
>
> > I would aim to irradicate having any panneirs at all. The object would be
to
> > somehow be able to get the bicycle on the kayak when kayaking.
>
> ROFL. Visions on bicycle mounted on bike rack behind paddler {:-). From my experience, kayaks are
> of delicate balance any way, so the best bicycle would have to be able to be broken down and fit
> into the kayak with the weight acting to improve balance. Something like a Moulton perhaps.
> Otherwise, you might need to make your Kayak a Canadian canoe instead, or fit a large hatch in
> the rear.
>
>
>
> > I havn't figured that bit as much because I have had only novicial encounters
with
> > kayaking. Or is it hard to toe a trailer without weight on the back?
>
> Yep, you can toe the kayak, but that might put a hole in it {:-).
>
> Keep in mind that you still have your weight of the equipment that would be in the panniers, plus
> the weight of the kayak, plus the weight of the kayak trailer. So this is not going to save you
> weight. Panniers are comparatively light and you will probably still have stuff sacks or even
> waterproof barrels inside the kayak (?).
>
> Traction (my guess as to what you really mean) is not normally a problem as most of it comes from
> your **** on the seat. If traction is a problem, then you should be walking as the last thing you
> would want to do is jack knife your bicycle into the kayak.
>
>
> Biggest problem is high side winds. How do you attach a flag to rear end of kayak to warn cars?
>
>
> Unless you are really attached to a kayak, have you considered an inflatable? with care, you could
> carry a standard bike. The inflatable could fit into a Bob-style (one wheel) trailer.

Jake wrote:
>
> No but theres a problem. Where I go I don't want to leave anything behind that I have to recover.
> So where do I put the trailer for the kayak when I leave?

The trailer breaks down into parts. you would have a C shape that came off the left hand side
chainstay, then a main shaft that broke into short lengths, then a couple of U shapes that slide off
the main shaft, then a cross piece that holds the wheels (stub axles?) .All this would fit into the
kayak with the bicycle.

> You see, I want the kayak to BE the trailer. And when I'm kayaking I want to have the bike
> accounted for so that when I get ot the end of the kayaking leg I resume the biking and
> interchange whenever. I'm planning to go touring for two-three years.

Well, you would need to work out a method of hitching the front or rear of the kayak to the bicycle
and method of attaching a pair of wheels in the middle. I would not be in favour of doing this as I
think you will eventually destroy (delaminate/defibre) the canoe where these points attach.
Fibreglass doesn't like vibration. Boats have massive mounting blocks to transmit the outboard
vibration over a wide area.

If you are planning on going around the coast, then this sounds feasible, except for the Nullarbor
(ship the kayak by truck? Port-Augusta to KAlgoolie?). Also feasible for Adelaide to Cairns through
inland Vic, NSW & Qld. But otherwise, it is along way to drag a kayak for little use.

On 2003-12-05, Terry Collins <terryc@woa.com.au> wrote:
> ROFL. Visions on bicycle mounted on bike rack behind paddler {:-). From my experience, kayaks are
> of delicate balance any way, so the best bicycle would have to be able to be broken down and fit
> into the kayak with the weight acting to improve balance. Something like a Moulton perhaps.
> Otherwise, you might need to make your Kayak a Canadian canoe instead, or fit a large hatch in
> the rear.

You'd also want to make sure you don't capsize! Bicycles tend not to like being submerged in water.

--
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next generation of Instant Messaging.

"Terry Collins" <terryc@woa.com.au> wrote in message news:3FD06CC6.D3274B2E@woa.com.au...
> Jake wrote:
> >
> > No but theres a problem. Where I go I don't want to leave anything
behind
> > that I have to recover. So where do I put the trailer for the kayak when
I
> > leave?
>
> The trailer breaks down into parts. you would have a C shape that came off the left hand side
> chainstay, then a main shaft that broke into short lengths, then a couple of U shapes that slide
> off the main shaft, then a cross piece that holds the wheels (stub axles?) .All this would fit
> into the kayak with the bicycle.

I think you mean the rowing boat :-)

Cheers Peter

I guess you could figure a way to tow the kayak and utilise it for storage too, despite wind
considerations etc but the problem is carrying the bike. I think I will give up on that part of the
dream then. I suppose I would need a fold-up bike, because carrying it on the kayak would compromise
the dynamics. I didn't consider the side-wind. Also in many countries trailers on bicycles are
illegal. (for reasons like that I assume!)

Thanks for your time and comments mate, Jake

"Terry Collins" <terryc@woa.com.au> wrote in message news:3FD06CC6.D3274B2E@woa.com.au...
> Jake wrote:
> >
> > No but theres a problem. Where I go I don't want to leave anything
behind
> > that I have to recover. So where do I put the trailer for the kayak when
I
> > leave?
>
> The trailer breaks down into parts. you would have a C shape that came off the left hand side
> chainstay, then a main shaft that broke into short lengths, then a couple of U shapes that slide
> off the main shaft, then a cross piece that holds the wheels (stub axles?) .All this would fit
> into the kayak with the bicycle.
>
>
> > You see, I want the kayak to BE the trailer. And when I'm kayaking I want to have the bike
> > accounted for so that when I get ot the end of the kayaking leg I resume the biking and
> > interchange whenever. I'm planning
to
> > go touring for two-three years.
>
> Well, you would need to work out a method of hitching the front or rear of the kayak to the
> bicycle and method of attaching a pair of wheels in the middle. I would not be in favour of doing
> this as I think you will eventually destroy (delaminate/defibre) the canoe where these points
> attach. Fibreglass doesn't like vibration. Boats have massive mounting blocks to transmit the
> outboard vibration over a wide area.
>
> If you are planning on going around the coast, then this sounds feasible, except for the Nullarbor
> (ship the kayak by truck? Port-Augusta to KAlgoolie?). Also feasible for Adelaide to Cairns
> through inland Vic, NSW & Qld. But otherwise, it is along way to drag a kayak for little use.

Jake wrote:
> I've been thinking about rigging up a kayak to double as a trailer for touring. Serious long term
> touring. It would be perfect aerodynamically. I

Sorry, but this does not sound liks a good idea. Bikes in general have the drag coefficient of a
brick, because its just not worth trying to make them streamlined. Fairings add weight, and
vulnerability to side-winds. And bikes just dont go that fast, unlike motorbikes which have far more
to gain from streamlining. Kayaks are heavy, and the slightest incline will really slow you down. If
you want to reduce drag, panniers are FAR better than trailers. How about carrying a light
inflatable raft instead? That'll get you across rivers. Aerodynamics, and low frontal area are
important when racing, but for long distance touring, forget about it. Weight becomes the big issue.

> only novicial encounters with kayaking.

Then this is all just a pipe-dream? Leave the kayak at home.

Thanks Juz, I'll check it all out. Great leads mate, cheers. "Juz" <juz@juz.com> wrote in message
news:BBF68B30.A3A6%juz@juz.com...
> > I've been thinking about rigging up a kayak to double as a trailer for touring. Serious long
> > term touring. It would be perfect aerodynamically.
I
> > would aim to irradicate having any panneirs at all. The object would be
to
> > somehow be able to get the bicycle on the kayak when kayaking. I havn't figured that bit as much
> > because I have had only novicial encounters
with
> > kayaking. Or is it hard to toe a trailer without weight on the back?
> >
> > Examples of any other tourers whove done it?
> >
> > Any feedback of what ever form is much appreciated.
>
>
>
> I don't know about the practicalities of using a kayak as a substitute for panniers. For example,
> if you were on a tour, how would you secure the
kayak
> overnight? And kayaks can be heavy... my tourer weighs in at about 18kg. Also I don't know about
> how you would go about fixing your bike to the
kayak
> while paddling. You'd have to balance the load perfectly, and there's the risk that if you had it
> strapped on the deck then the bike would get water in all of the wrong places.
>
> But towing a kayak behind a bike is pretty easy to accomplish, and there
are
> a number of commercially made trailers that do this. There are also a few "do it yourself"
> articles on the net.
>
> Some links that might be useful:
>
> http://www.bikesatwork.com/bike-trai...-bike-trailer/
> http://www.victoriabybike.com/trailers.htm http://danenet.wicip.org/bcp/bike_trailers.html
>
>
> Also, Sea Kayaker magazine ran a couple of articles last year about bike trailers for yaks. See if
> you can track down a back issue -- if you're in
a
> capital city, try visiting your local State Library. I think that the
State
> Library of Vic gets copies of Sea Kayaker. Or you can order back issues
from
> Sea Kayaker's website: http://www.seakayakermag.com/
>
> Issue 86, Feb. 2002, page 29: ³Bike cart for kayaks² by Steve Nagode: Equipment review, Bicycle
> kayak cart, EZ Top bicycle kayak cart
>
> Issue 86, Feb. 2002, page 31: ³Do it yourself bike cart for kayaks² by Christopher Cunningham:
> Do-it-yourself, Bicycle kayak cart
>
>
> Or another option to look at would be to get a folding kayak and put it in
a
> smaller bike trailer such as a Bob. Feathercraft is one of the best makers of folding boats:
> http://www.feathercraft.com
>
> Don't give up on your quest... cycling and kayaking are two of my
favourite
> activities, and anyone who finds a way to combine them gets two thumbs up from me!
>
> cheers Juz

"Jake" <j@com> wrote in message news:3fd12ab0@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> I guess you could figure a way to tow the kayak and utilise it for storage too, despite wind
> considerations etc but the problem is carrying the bike.
I
> think I will give up on that part of the dream then. I suppose I would
need
> a fold-up bike, because carrying it on the kayak would compromise the dynamics. I didn't consider
> the side-wind. Also in many countries
trailers
> on bicycles are illegal. (for reasons like that I assume!)
>
> Thanks for your time and comments mate, Jake
>
>
> "Terry Collins" <terryc@woa.com.au> wrote in message news:3FD06CC6.D3274B2E@woa.com.au...
> > Jake wrote:
> > >
> > > No but theres a problem. Where I go I don't want to leave anything
> behind
> > > that I have to recover. So where do I put the trailer for the kayak
when
> I
> > > leave?
> >
> > The trailer breaks down into parts. you would have a C shape that came off the left hand side
> > chainstay, then a main shaft that broke into short lengths, then a couple of U shapes that slide
> > off the main shaft, then a cross piece that holds the wheels (stub axles?) .All this would fit
> > into the kayak with the bicycle.
> >
> >
> > > You see, I want the kayak to BE the trailer. And when I'm kayaking I want to have the bike
> > > accounted for so that when I get ot the end of
the
> > > kayaking leg I resume the biking and interchange whenever. I'm
planning
> to
> > > go touring for two-three years.
> >
> > Well, you would need to work out a method of hitching the front or rear of the kayak to the
> > bicycle and method of attaching a pair of wheels in the middle. I would not be in favour of
> > doing this as I think you will eventually destroy (delaminate/defibre) the canoe where these
> > points attach. Fibreglass doesn't like vibration. Boats have massive mounting blocks to transmit
> > the outboard vibration over a wide area.
> >
> > If you are planning on going around the coast, then this sounds feasible, except for the
> > Nullarbor (ship the kayak by truck? Port-Augusta to KAlgoolie?). Also feasible for Adelaide to
> > Cairns through inland Vic, NSW & Qld. But otherwise, it is along way to drag a kayak for
> > little use.
>

Just thought of another option.......hows about modifying a kayak so that you can use it as an
aerodynamic helmet (similar to ones used in time trials but obviously much more streamline given
it's extended length). A couple of months of neck and shoulder exercises in the gym and cycle or two
of roids should build up sufficient strength to keep your neck upright. You might want to think
about putting mirrors on the bike though as turning your head to check for traffic at the speeds
that you will be able to reach (with your now aerodynamic scone) may result in your head spinning a
la "The Exorcist".

Good Luck,

Gags

Jake
I've often thought of the same thing. How to tour by bike and/or raft/kayak without leaving either bike or boat behind. Many hours thought while riding & paddling led me to the conclusion, too much compromise of both modes.
I could see it working with the right equipment but it isn't going to be cheap.
You need to buy a light compact raft (or inflatable kayak) even these are about 21 kgs plus 2 piece paddle. See http://www.incept.co.nz/
To carry this & anything else you want by bike I would use a BoB trailer. See http://www.bobtrailers.com
Now the hard part. How to pack a bike into the boat?
I'd use a folding bike, with smaller wheels maybe, like a Bike Friday. See http://www.bikefriday.com

The problems now are; towing the extra 21+ kgs of boat and;
Packing the bike & trailer into the boat so as not to puncture the boat it & keep the bike etc dry.
You will need a flotation vest but the same helmet will work for bike & boat.
Use flat pedals & the same shoes will work, maybe some Teva's. See http://www.teva.com/products.asp?d=1...sku=6772&NAV=1
Shimano make an SPD sandal (SH-SD60) that could work, watch the metal cleat doesn't hole the boat.

All up cost, about $4500.
Have fun & post some photo's.

Yep, its a pipe dream. But buddy, you help me turn it into a real dream and I'll drop off that love
letter you wrote to that girl five years ago that you didn't think you could ever have and then
still five years later guess what? You never had her? How come? Casue you never sent it? We all got
pipe dreams "Mike" <me@nospam.xx> wrote in message news:3fd1a994@quokka.wn.com.au...
> Jake wrote:
> > I've been thinking about rigging up a kayak to double as a trailer for touring. Serious long
> > term touring. It would be perfect aerodynamically.
I
>
> Sorry, but this does not sound liks a good idea. Bikes in general have the drag coefficient of a
> brick, because its just not worth trying to make them streamlined. Fairings add weight, and
> vulnerability to
side-winds.
> And bikes just dont go that fast, unlike motorbikes which have far more to gain from streamlining.
> Kayaks are heavy, and the slightest incline will really slow you down. If you want to reduce drag,
> panniers are FAR better than trailers. How about carrying a light inflatable raft instead? That'll
> get you across rivers. Aerodynamics, and low frontal area are important when racing, but for long
> distance touring, forget about it. Weight becomes the big issue.
>
> > only novicial encounters with kayaking.
>
> Then this is all just a pipe-dream? Leave the kayak at home.

Actually bricks have a sensational drag cooefficient per weight.

"Mike" <me@nospam.xx> wrote in message news:3fd1a994@quokka.wn.com.au...
> Jake wrote:
> > I've been thinking about rigging up a kayak to double as a trailer for touring. Serious long
> > term touring. It would be perfect aerodynamically.
I
>
> Sorry, but this does not sound liks a good idea. Bikes in general have the drag coefficient of a
> brick, because its just not worth trying to make them streamlined. Fairings add weight, and
> vulnerability to
side-winds.
> And bikes just dont go that fast, unlike motorbikes which have far more to gain from streamlining.
> Kayaks are heavy, and the slightest incline will really slow you down. If you want to reduce drag,
> panniers are FAR better than trailers. How about carrying a light inflatable raft instead? That'll
> get you across rivers. Aerodynamics, and low frontal area are important when racing, but for long
> distance touring, forget about it. Weight becomes the big issue.
>
> > only novicial encounters with kayaking.
>
> Then this is all just a pipe-dream? Leave the kayak at home.

Jake wrote:

To start, I am going to be honest and say I thought the same things as the poster that said your
were a fruit loop or whatever when I first read your posting. It was the lack of kaycking experience
that did it. However, your question of carrying a kayak/canoe on a bicycle trailer is an interesting
exercise, so I was happy to throw in ideas.

I think that you are not really looking at what people are saying to you. Yes, some of it is dumping
on your dreams, but some of it is very practicle. Dreams are wonderful things, but a bit of reality
helps make bicycle touring a comfortable and enjoyable thing. For me, it can be fscking bucketting,
everything can be wet, the #$^%$^ can have had a major break down, but so long as I can pitch a
tarp, sit and make a cuppa, then it can all be fixed.

Personally, I think you should reasearch and buy a collapsible bicycle, then go touring on it for a
week/month, etc a number of times. I've been away with someone who did week end tours on a Moulton.
He wore shorts and shoes and helmet. Everything else fitted into a handlebag (including the t-shirt
for travelling on the trains), with the sleeping bag on rack. He had one meal, a spare tube, basic
tools and if it rained, he got wet and didn't sleep. If that is how you want to spend your 2-3
years, then fine. Otherwise, those little comforts, like tooth brush, tent, rain jacket, cold
weather gear, snacks, etc tend to add up to weight, weight, weight, weight, weight.

So, the next thing you are going to have to do, is weigh your bicycle and your equipment, then find
a kayak that will carry that weight in bricks. Bricks are easy and cheap to replace when you turn
turtle, which is what I think is going to happen when you start loading up a kayak with a bicycle
frame, bicycle trailer, your gear and four wheels.

Also, your bicycle is going to get wet, wet, wet. Despite the best intentions, **** happens and you
can expect it to go into the drink a few time. If you are planning on crossing dams and deep rivers,
I would also suggest a float and long length of rope on top (just in case).

I suspect you will quickly find that your kayak is history and you really want a canoe or
inflatable boat. At least to carry the bicycle. Have you considered a seperate inflatable just to
carry your bicycle?

<weird idea> Perhaps your panniers/gear storage can be two waterproof drums that mount like panniers
but are the flotation barrels for a raft that carries your bicycle and kayak trailer behind your
kayak?</weird
idea>

> No I think the infaltible is out of the quesiton because it won't hold the bicycle and I'll need a
> decent pump.

The pump is the least of your worries.

You have three classes of water transport.

Rigid: like a fibreglass or plastic kyak.

Constructed: you insert panels or framework into a cloth to create your kayak/canoe/boat.

Inflatable: kyak, canoe, or boat.

Just my 2c, but anything rigid is not going to like being the load bearing struture it become when
it is the trailer body. Watercraft save weight be distributing their load "equally" over the water.
Converting that watercraft into trailer suddenly focusses that load into wheel and link attachment
points which have to be reinforced, which is extra weight.

...snip... useless weekender kayak.

> I'm familiar with the Bob trailers. they are fantastic for what they do but may hug too close the
> ground for the length differentials of a kayak.

Fsck, that wasn't what was said. He was saying that you could easily carry an inflatable in a bob
style trailer.

However, if you wanted to make your kayak into a bob-style trailer, then you would just use a larger
wheel to get clearance. Again, you are going to need reinforcement in both ends to handle all the
forces. Instead, I would suggest a two wheel trailer design.

...snip......

> > The problems now are; towing the extra 21+ kgs of boat and;
>
> I weigh 85kgs and considering that someone weighing 100kgs will have the same problem as me with a
> trailer. I can have equivalent endurance and strength. My fitness will adjsut, besides, I'm not
> carrying the weight, I'm not goign anywhere too fast, and I will be able to account for this I
> hope in my gear differentials.

Yep, you will not be going too fast. You will notice it on every little incline. That extra weight
has to be pulled uphill. To appreciate this, I would suggest doing a weeks tour with a trailer and
the weight of the kayak in bricks.

...snip stuff on shoes...... I wear common sandals or shoes.

> > All up cost, about $4500. Have fun & post some photo's.
>
> Well maybe looking at some custom engineering fetch it up to $10000 - of course I want solar
> panels feeding a laptop and the laptop feeding my music studio, digital camera, satallite phone,
> and GPS coupled device. Cool coupling would be with the digital shots.

Have you worked out your energy budget? You are going to get one big surprise when you work out how
much solar panels space you are going to have to carry around with you.

...snip wank about rooting around Australia. FYI, some middle age old fart did it twice pushing a
postal wheelie, which included a 36 dozen condoms (or so he said). If it worked for him, I guess it
can work for you.