Red means stop, dickhead - Page 11

mfhor@yahoo.co.uk <mfhor@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hmm, is it a waste of a free-range egg to hurl it at a fascist? Would a
> caged egg be better? <moral dilemma>

Heh. Quote of the day!

--
..dt

Tamyka Bell wrote:

>
> Someone's getting cranky,
> someone's getting cranky!
> *pokes tongue out*
>
> T

No, not yet. I've got to get to 'brownshirt' first

MH

mfhor@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Tamyka Bell wrote:
>
> > Hmmm, I fart in elevators, because I can.
> >
> > Tam
>
> Then you are exercising your free choice as a human to annoy everyone
> nearby because you feel a deep need to, whilst not really being able to
> help yourself at the same time. However, a lift-full of sulphur dioxide
> and methylmercaptan are not as effective a way to change people's minds
> as a well-aimed 62g Farm Pride (free-range, of course). Nor a vigorous
> exchange of views.

.... especially if it's a well-seasoned egg with lots of SO2 and
Memercaptan, I suppose!

Tam, class act! I suppose you glare at the men in the lift, after
you've let go your lunch?

Donga

Donga wrote:
>
> mfhor@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > Tamyka Bell wrote:
> >
> > > Hmmm, I fart in elevators, because I can.
> > >
> > > Tam
> >
> > Then you are exercising your free choice as a human to annoy everyone
> > nearby because you feel a deep need to, whilst not really being able to
> > help yourself at the same time. However, a lift-full of sulphur dioxide
> > and methylmercaptan are not as effective a way to change people's minds
> > as a well-aimed 62g Farm Pride (free-range, of course). Nor a vigorous
> > exchange of views.
>
> ... especially if it's a well-seasoned egg with lots of SO2 and
> Memercaptan, I suppose!
>
> Tam, class act! I suppose you glare at the men in the lift, after
> you've let go your lunch?
>
> Donga

No, I tend to cast furtive glances at the person I choose to blame,
while shuffling away.

I'll have you know that farts in elevators are in fact very funny.

Tam

mfhor@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Don't you want to CHANGE the law, if it's stopping you 'doing what you
> will, yet harming none?'
>
> Sheesh, can we cringe any more into our corner?

Breaking the law is not an effective way to change it. You need a
strong campaign to show it is being broken a lot and either needs
enforcement, or change. The noise being made by some motorists is
saying "Enforce it". Your voice for change is not registering where it
matters, and I'm still not sure, after this long discussion, what you
are proposing by way of change.

donga

One devil, many satanists!!

Steve(ha, pedants at five paces)A

That depends on your perspective. I'm quite glad that motorised traffic is controlled by traffic lights, it makes my life a lot easier. I shudder at the thought of peak hour traffic in St Kilda Road with no traffic lights, the price I pay for having cars controlled for everyone's benefit is really quite small. The benefit I'd gain from being allowed to ride through red lights, well I can't see many upsisdes but I can see a lot of downsides so I'll quite happily do what the lights tell me.

Far from cringing I'm the one making good use of the break to have a good long suck on my bidon, maybe nibble on something etc etc.

Ray wrote:
<snip>

> I am talking about lights that stay red when they should be green.

Ok - get the sensor fixed. I've suggested how.

> If I am pissing of peds and drivers they'd need to get a life.

That's just silly. It's patently obvious that red light running pisses
off non-cyclists. Does that help us?

> Tell me how you'd handle the situation.

I have. If you persist until you have the right person and keep
(politely & positively) following it up until it is fixed, it will get
fixed. Go up the food chain as required. Works for me.

<snip>

> Ringing up VicRoads won't fix the immediate problem, you'd go grey and
> withered whilst your phone battery runs down.

Nah - already grey & withered & don't have a mobile phone.

<snip>

> The sensor is right at the boundary of the lights.
> For a start it should be set back some 20 odd metres to realise a bike
> is approaching the lights.....

<snip>

Sure, like in Europe. I agree that would be useful, but you'll need to
wait for the 2nd generation of bike facilities. We are in the early
days and stuff is as crude as all get out. But if we keep working away,
it will improve to European standards eventually - that's my aim,
anyway. You ain't going to get an engineer in Melbourne to agree to put
in advance sensors on a minor path like that at present. When it's done
for the first time, it'll be on a bicycle freeway that's given top
priority. That's still some way off, there needs to be more shifts in
thinking before that happens.

But it will.

>
> The situation described is a 3m wide off road bike path - a virtual
> freeway for bikes - yet it still has the stupid press and wait lights to
> control the little bike symbol.

See above.

> Seem to defeat the purpose of constructing the bike path when you face
> these sort of stupid designs.

See above.

> Oh yeah, the button is also on the RHS as you head south, so you have to
> be on the wrong side of the path to press it.

Poor design. We'll have to gradually eliminate these. Guess wires under
path to button attached to holding rail on left is the answer - like
the ones by Albert Park?
>
> Ray

Anyway, what I'm saying is no amount of grousing ever improved bike
facilties. Don't get mad, get dialling!

Persia

mfhor@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

>blah blah.....questionable erudition...blah blah

> Reading? Well, set a good example, there's a good little Babylonian

Speaking of questionable erudition, people from Babylon were
Babylonians, people from Persia were Persians. Not the same, dearie.

Guess you trolls have a roster and you're this month's? Personally, I
found harbinger more amusing. You're just sad.

Persia

Zebee Johnstone wrote:

> Yes, it is the law (at least in NSW) that you have to indicate as you
> enter the roundabout and as you leave. So if you are going straight
> ahead you have to indicate right, and then indicate left as you
> approach the exit you are going to use.
>
> Is this stupid? Yes. Do most people do it? Of course not. But it
> is the law, and so blaming people for doing it isn't fair.

In WA you only indicate when you are leaving the roundabout.

Theo

cfsmtb wrote:
> TimC Wrote:

>> That webform for Perth looks so lovely. There's even a category
>> "lights don't respond to cyclist".
>
> Valid points there Tim. The VicRoads contact sctuff is far too
> 'generalist'.
> http://tinyurl.com/k4new

That all sounds too complicated. If you have a problem with a traffic light
in Perth, the number to call is on the control box together with the ID
number for the traffic light set.

I complained about a set of lights once and they couldn't fault them, so
contacted me to meet them there to explain the problem I had. Good people!
Real Public Servants.

Theo

EuanB wrote:
> mfhor@yahoo.co.uk Wrote:

>> Sheesh, can we cringe any more into our corner?

> That depends on your perspective. I'm quite glad that motorised
> traffic is controlled by traffic lights, it makes my life a lot
> easier. I shudder at the thought of peak hour traffic in St Kilda
> Road with no traffic lights, the price I pay for having cars
> controlled for everyone's benefit is really quite small. The benefit
> I'd gain from being allowed to ride through red lights, well I can't
> see many upsisdes but I can see a lot of downsides so I'll quite
> happily do what the lights tell me.
>
> Far from cringing I'm the one making good use of the break to have a
> good long suck on my bidon, maybe nibble on something etc etc.

<polite applause>

Theo

On 2006-08-07, Theo Bekkers (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> EuanB wrote:
>> mfhor@yahoo.co.uk Wrote:
>
>>> Sheesh, can we cringe any more into our corner?
>
>> That depends on your perspective. I'm quite glad that motorised
>> traffic is controlled by traffic lights, it makes my life a lot
>> easier. I shudder at the thought of peak hour traffic in St Kilda
>> Road with no traffic lights, the price I pay for having cars
>> controlled for everyone's benefit is really quite small. The benefit
>> I'd gain from being allowed to ride through red lights, well I can't
>> see many upsisdes but I can see a lot of downsides so I'll quite
>> happily do what the lights tell me.
>>
>> Far from cringing I'm the one making good use of the break to have a
>> good long suck on my bidon, maybe nibble on something etc etc.
>
> <polite applause>

Pffft.

<impolite applause>

(now wondering what such is

--
TimC
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I've got my money in my pocket
I've got my guitar in my hand
I've got my copy of Das Kapital
I'm gonna go down to the library and read it

I've got my needle and my syringe
I've got my freedom from the world
I'm gonna kill my mum and dad
And then I wanna get into real estate

Anarchy, anarchy

Yeeha! Well music is my ticket to freedom
Rock is my passport outta here
I'd rather wear a shirt and collar, yeah
and get fat drinking beer

Here we go... anarchy, anarchy, anarchy, anarchy, anarchy...
Anarchy means crossing when it says 'Don't Walk'

The end.


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<mfhor@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> Ray wrote:
>
>> The one I have in mind here is the interesection of Docklands Drive and
>> Harbour Esplanade, Docklands, Melb. This is a super highway bike path,
>> but it is constrained by stupid planning decisions like this.
>>
>> They do actually have embedded sensors for the bike path at the lights,
>> but they never seem to work.
>> Try the east side of Harbour Esplanade, going south. I can have my wheel
>> smack bang in the middle, car lights go green, bike light stays red.
>> I go anyway as you have your own lane, and there is no turning traffic.
>>
>> I now admit that I must be a dickhead.
>>
>> Ray
>
> THAT's the one I was talking about! I've run that one, oooh, dozens of
> times. No material danger, provided I pretended I was a car . . .
>
> Brmm, brm . . .
>
> Try putting the centre of your bike right over the detector loop, and
> getting a nice heavy steel bike with metal pedals. That seems to work
>
>
> MH
>

Or a nice light aluminium road bike. They also work. No really, they
do...I've got one and it triggers traffic light sensors perfectly well.