Man struck by cyclist dies - Page 2

On 2006-08-29, MalP (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>
> TimC Wrote:
>>
>> It won't stop them coming out with utter bollocks like the following:
>>
>> > "It's an unofficial race. That's the easiest way to put it," the
>> source
>> > said.
>> >
>> > "These guys have no regard for motorists.
>> >
>> > "They ride on the wrong side of the road, they don't give way to
>> cars,
>> > they don't stop at red lights."
>>
>> Furffu!
> Where is the utter bollocks there? I think it describes it rather well.

Have you ridden it, or otherwise seen it, or just watched ACA or today
tonight?

--
TimC
All science is either physics or stamp collecting.
-- Ernest Rutherford

I've read on another forum that apparently most of the hell ride got through the pedestrian crossing and those at the tail end stopped at the red light. A guy hanging off the back of the tail end decided to overtake and keep going through, running into the pedestrian.

This is third hand of course.

We've seen this sort of thing so many times on Beach Rd. Was a matter of time.

Not looking forward to enraged motorists playing target practice with me when I'm out riding this weekend.

I have actually, at least to Mordi where I pulled out because I didn't like what was going on. I see it regularly, as I live and ride down that way. I don't watch commercial tv current affairs.

I know you've ridden it too:

"I beat lama, I beat lama! <jumps up and down>
OK, so I was about 1/3 of the way back in my first hell ride, and
everyone decided to blow a red despite plenty of calls of "stopping!",
and only about 30 riders stopped at the back. Lama was in that group,
so he had to timetrial all the way."

TimC wrote:

> It won't stop them coming out with utter bollocks like the following:
>

>>"They ride on the wrong side of the road, they don't give way to cars,
>>they don't stop at red lights."

Could have been better said, but 2/3 are breaking the law
OTOH, constable plod needs a friendly re-education course that bicycle
do not have to give way to cars, as such.

TimC wrote:
> On 2006-08-29, MalP (aka Bruce)
> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> >
> > TimC Wrote:
> >>
> >> It won't stop them coming out with utter bollocks like the following:
> >>
> >> > "It's an unofficial race. That's the easiest way to put it," the
> >> source
> >> > said.
> >> >
> >> > "These guys have no regard for motorists.
> >> >
> >> > "They ride on the wrong side of the road, they don't give way to
> >> cars,
> >> > they don't stop at red lights."
> >>
> >> Furffu!
> > Where is the utter bollocks there? I think it describes it rather well.
>
> Have you ridden it, or otherwise seen it, or just watched ACA or today
> tonight?

I've seen it spanning 3 lanes of beach rd. There's 2 lanes in each
direction. I've seen it pass straight through pedestrian crossings when
red (think Mentone, think Parkdale).

On 2006-08-29, jazmo (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>
> I've read on another forum that apparently most of the hell ride got
> through the pedestrian crossing and those at the tail end stopped at
> the red light. A guy hanging off the back of the tail end decided to
> overtake and keep going through, running into the pedestrian.

And it would make sense that way. I was speculating that it was the
whole bunch, and wondering why you would walk in front of a bunch of
cyclists that are showing no sign of stopping, but if the one guy who
keeps going was hidden from view, then of course you'd start walking
if it looks like everyone has stopped properly.

And it would would explain why it was damn obvious which cyclist was
at fault (although I was thinking at the time it may well have been a
hit and run, and this guy who gets charged with red light running was
some unrelated cyclist who just happened to be caught while the police
were attending).

I will still feel sorry for the stupid bugger who hit the ped. It'd
be damn obvious to him that he stuffed up and took a life. And it
could have been any one of 100+ riders, who just didn't have his hands
on his brakes soon enough (or he could have been a deliberate law
breaker who was destined to go back back to Frankston and load his
bike back onto his 4WD and go driving home, killing small kittens
along the way).

> Not looking forward to enraged motorists playing target practice with
> me when I'm out riding this weekend.

Oh fie! Yup, might not be fun. Might be a day to hook up a camera
whilst on the way to the crits. If only I had a bigger memory card.

--
TimC
Dijkstra probably hates me
(Linus Torvalds, on gotos in kernel/sched.c)

"Terryc" <newsonespam-spam@woa.com.au> wrote in message
news:44f3c92e$0$7791$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
> TimC wrote:
>
>> It won't stop them coming out with utter bollocks like the following:
>>
>
>>>"They ride on the wrong side of the road, they don't give way to cars,
>>>they don't stop at red lights."
>
> Could have been better said, but 2/3 are breaking the law
> OTOH, constable plod needs a friendly re-education course that bicycle
> do not have to give way to cars, as such.

Interesting what are the road rules for cyclists in Victoria. When I ride
here in NSW I obey the same road rules as I do when driving ( with a few
exceptions). I give way to cars for 2 reasons it's the law As far as I know and they
are a lot bigger than me and will do more damage to me than I will do to
them

dechucka wrote:
> I give way to cars for 2 reasons it's the law As far as I know

Nope.

eddiec wrote:
> This can't be good.....
>
> -------------
>
>
> An elderly man has died in hospital after being struck by a cyclist in
> Melbourne's south on the weekend.
>
> The 77-year-old Mentone man was crossing Beach Road at a traffic light
> near the intersection of Naples Road in Mentone at 8.30am on Saturday.
>
> At the time, the "Hell Ride" - a weekly communal ride involving
> cyclists in groups of 100 or more - was taking place along Beach Road.
>
> A spokeswoman from Victoria Police said the elderly man had signalled
> his intention to cross the road as cyclists approached, but he was
> struck down and received serious head injuries.
>
> The man was taken to the Alfred hospital, but a spokesman said he died
> today.
>
> Police said a 30-year-old man from St Kilda East would be issued with a
> penalty notice for failing to obey a traffic light. The penalty carries
> a $210 fine.
>
> Police will prepare a report for the Coroner.
>
> theage.com.au
>
>
> ------------
>
> Now I have no knowledge of the circumstances surrounding this, but in
> the same way I'd be outraged if a motorist hurt me and got away with a
> pitiful fine, $210 seems an awfully cheap way to kill someone...
>
> No doubt the Hell ride will be surrounded by controversy once again...
>
>
Amd I have to agree with this. Culpable driving seems a fairer charge.
Of course we dont actually know the circumstances of the accident. Its
remotely possible the cops know something we don;t that makes it deserve
the lesser charge.

Dave

steve46au wrote:
> Bleve Wrote:
>
>>eddiec wrote:
>>
>>>This can't be good.....
>>>
>>>-------------
>>>
>>>
>>>An elderly man has died in hospital after being struck by a cyclist
>>
>>in
>>
>>>Melbourne's south on the weekend.
>>>
>>>The 77-year-old Mentone man was crossing Beach Road at a traffic
>>
>>light
>>
>>>near the intersection of Naples Road in Mentone at 8.30am on
>>
>>Saturday.
>>
>>>At the time, the "Hell Ride" - a weekly communal ride involving
>>>cyclists in groups of 100 or more - was taking place along Beach
>>
>>Road.
>>
>>>A spokeswoman from Victoria Police said the elderly man had signalled
>>>his intention to cross the road as cyclists approached, but he was
>>>struck down and received serious head injuries.
>>>
>>>The man was taken to the Alfred hospital, but a spokesman said he
>>
>>died
>>
>>>today.
>>>
>>>Police said a 30-year-old man from St Kilda East would be issued with
>>
>>a
>>
>>>penalty notice for failing to obey a traffic light. The penalty
>>
>>carries
>>
>>>a $210 fine.
>>>
>>>Police will prepare a report for the Coroner.
>>>
>>>theage.com.au
>>>
>>>
>>>------------
>>>
>>>Now I have no knowledge of the circumstances surrounding this, but in
>>>the same way I'd be outraged if a motorist hurt me and got away with
>>
>>a
>>
>>>pitiful fine, $210 seems an awfully cheap way to kill someone...
>>>
>>>No doubt the Hell ride will be surrounded by controversy once
>>
>>again...
>>
>>for that ride, it was never matter of "if", but "when", someone would
>>get seriously hurt or killed.
>
> Regardless as to whether the "hell Ride" was involved, the cyclist(s)
> who ran the lights should be charged with a heck of a lot more than
> failing to obey a traffic light. Manslaughter comes to mind!
> Lets face we get all upset when a motorist mows down a cyclist, why
> should a cyclist killing a ped be any different?
>

It should not be. But few here would argue different. And I expect few
motorists would. You are preaching to the converted.

Dave

MalP wrote:
> TimC Wrote:

>> Have you ridden it, or otherwise seen it, or just watched ACA or
>> today tonight?

> I know you've ridden it too:
>
> "I beat lama, I beat lama! <jumps up and down>
> OK, so I was about 1/3 of the way back in my first *hell ride*, and
> everyone decided to blow a red despite plenty of calls of "stopping!",

Oh dearie me Tim. You bad boy you. You will now be required to remove your
sanctimonious tone. :-)

Theo

Terryc wrote:

> Could have been better said, but 2/3 are breaking the law

Only 2/3? Surely racing is against the law, even if you're doing less than
the speed limit. How about riding more than 2 abreast?

Theo

eddiec wrote:
> This can't be good.....
>
> -------------
>
>
> An elderly man has died in hospital after being struck by a cyclist in
> Melbourne's south on the weekend.
>
> The 77-year-old Mentone man was crossing Beach Road at a traffic light
> near the intersection of Naples Road in Mentone at 8.30am on Saturday.
>
> At the time, the "Hell Ride" - a weekly communal ride involving
> cyclists in groups of 100 or more - was taking place along Beach Road.
>
> A spokeswoman from Victoria Police said the elderly man had signalled
> his intention to cross the road as cyclists approached, but he was
> struck down and received serious head injuries.
>
> The man was taken to the Alfred hospital, but a spokesman said he died
> today.
>
> Police said a 30-year-old man from St Kilda East would be issued with a
> penalty notice for failing to obey a traffic light. The penalty carries
> a $210 fine.
>
> Police will prepare a report for the Coroner.
>
> theage.com.au
>
>
> ------------
>
> Now I have no knowledge of the circumstances surrounding this, but in
> the same way I'd be outraged if a motorist hurt me and got away with a
> pitiful fine, $210 seems an awfully cheap way to kill someone...
>
> No doubt the Hell ride will be surrounded by controversy once again...
>
>


There's another article on this in the Age.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...816899914.html

Friday

Friday wrote:

> There's another article on this in the Age.
>
> http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...816899914.html

That sounds reasoned, and reasonable to me.

Theo

Define racing. I think the word "racing" is not used accurately within these reports, and particular training activities (eg sprint efforts) or fast-paced rolling bunches are seen as "racing" by the general public/media/police. Having ridden on Beach Rd on both Saturday and Sunday mornings several times a year, I don't see anyone racing. I do see bunches rolling through at a pace, and individuals moving up and down bunches, and between bunches, passing from slower groups or indviduals to groups or individuals who are riding at a similar pace.

If racing were illegal, clubs wouldnt be able to hold races.

It is also legal for pairs of riders to be passing other pairs of riders and remain 2 abreast while doing so (ie 4 across a lane). This has been discussed elsewhere and at other times on this forum.

Yes, there are idiots,hoons, and simply ignorant riders out there who do illegal things while riding, either deliberately or inadvertantly.

And yes, I am being pedantic, but please let's keep some perspective and rationality on this one, rather than inflaming an already inflamed subject (general comment and not targetted at Theo).