http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20301604-661,00.html#comments

Police appeal for witnesses? Don't they have enough already??????

And why would you stop when there are enough people around the incident already, taking control of the situation? There is nothing you can do in a situation like that where people are already taking the necessary actions apart from become a part of the audience (and perhaps provide a statement to the police, which can be done later)?

Sigh... gotta learn to let go on the anti-journalise sentiments ....

"A memorial ride has been organised by the St Kilda Cycling Club as a mark of respect to Mr Gould."

Umm... isn't that kind of twisted? How about a memorial WALK.

A 'memorial ride' would be like holding a duck hunt in memory of Laurie Levy*



*ok, so he may not be dead..

like the duck hunt analogy

Lets just hope the entire ride obeys the road rules - probably best not to have it on a Sat/Sun morning for that reason...... I can see the memorial ride getting caned in the paper along the same lines that the Hell Ride has.

ghostgum wrote:
> http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto....html#comments
>
>
It's sad that someone has died and I think the guy that rode through the
red light should haved the book thrown at him, but if the hell Ride is
*such* a dangerous event and if riders are *always* breaking the law and
it happens *every* weekend and the old guy walks along that stretch of
road *every* day you would think he would know to take a little extra care?

Just like when you push a stroller across a zebra crossing, you can't
assume anything...

--
BrettS

Aaaagh the Herald Sun is driving me mad (okay some may say that is my
fault for reading the Herald Sun). but in three pieces about this
accident I've seen reference to riders speeding, racing, and tearing
along Beach Rd at speeds up to 60kmh. What I'd like to know is since
when was doing up to 60kmh in a 60kmh zone speeding, and where did they
find 200 riders in melbourne that can ride at 60kmh on a flat road?

Can one of the regular or occasional riders fill me in on what th epeak
speeds really are and how long they last (I'm tipping they're limited to
Olivers Hill).

DaveB

BrettS <brett_the_vet@NOVIAGRATHANKS.optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> ghostgum wrote:
> > http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto....html#comments
> >
> >
> It's sad that someone has died and I think the guy that rode through the
> red light should haved the book thrown at him, but if the hell Ride is
> *such* a dangerous event and if riders are *always* breaking the law and
> it happens *every* weekend and the old guy walks along that stretch of
> road *every* day you would think he would know to take a little extra care?
>
> Just like when you push a stroller across a zebra crossing, you can't
> assume anything...
>
> --
> BrettS

Ever thought of getting a job as a spokesman for the Israeli Defense
Force? They need people who can rationalise like you.

P

--
Peter McCallum
Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA
http://bicyclemackay.org.au

gplama wrote:
> "A memorial ride has been organised by the St Kilda Cycling Club as a
> mark of respect to Mr Gould."
>
> Umm... isn't that kind of twisted? How about a memorial WALK.
>
> A 'memorial ride' would be like holding a duck hunt in memory of Laurie
> Levy*
>
>
>
> *ok, so he may not be dead..
>
>
Perhaps no Hell Ride for at least a week as a sign of respect!?

--
Bean

Remove "yourfinger" before replying

BrettS wrote:

> It's sad that someone has died and I think the guy that rode through
> the red light should haved the book thrown at him, but if the hell
> Ride is *such* a dangerous event and if riders are *always* breaking
> the law and it happens *every* weekend and the old guy walks along
> that stretch of road *every* day you would think he would know to
> take a little extra care?

Let's blame the victim. Old bloke walked accross the crosswalk after a bunch
of cyclists stopped for him. How silly is that?

Theo

So you're an actual eyewitness now? FFS..

Hey, check out this cnut:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...816936479.html

It's about the operator, or operator error.

On 2006-08-30, DaveB (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> Aaaagh the Herald Sun is driving me mad (okay some may say that is my
> fault for reading the Herald Sun). but in three pieces about this
> accident I've seen reference to riders speeding, racing, and tearing
> along Beach Rd at speeds up to 60kmh. What I'd like to know is since
> when was doing up to 60kmh in a 60kmh zone speeding, and where did they
> find 200 riders in melbourne that can ride at 60kmh on a flat road?
>
> Can one of the regular or occasional riders fill me in on what th epeak
> speeds really are and how long they last (I'm tipping they're limited to
> Olivers Hill).

Oliver's Hill, 60 or 70.

(uphill 20 or 30

flats, 45 or 50 depending on who's driving.

There are enough undulations and stoplights that the average is
brought down to 40 or 42.

That's my experience from the day (the average is well documented
though).

--
TimC
double value; /* or your money back! */
short changed; /* so triple your money back! */
-- Larry Wall in cons.c from the perl source code

DaveB wrote:
> Aaaagh the Herald Sun is driving me mad (okay some may say that is my
> fault for reading the Herald Sun). but in three pieces about this
> accident I've seen reference to riders speeding, racing, and tearing
> along Beach Rd at speeds up to 60kmh. What I'd like to know is since
> when was doing up to 60kmh in a 60kmh zone speeding, and where did they
> find 200 riders in melbourne that can ride at 60kmh on a flat road?
>
> Can one of the regular or occasional riders fill me in on what th epeak
> speeds really are and how long they last (I'm tipping they're limited to
> Olivers Hill).
>
> DaveB

50+km an hour for most of the way. 60km is quite doable in a medium
sized bunch.

To me it is not like a race, it is mostly aimed at a hard effort and
keeping th bunch together, that's not racing.

Problems come when less trained people are at their limit just to hang
on, then they don't want to stop

cfsmtb wrote:
> Theo Bekkers Wrote:

>> Let's blame the victim. Old bloke walked accross the crosswalk after
>> a bunch
>> of cyclists stopped for him. How silly is that?

> So you're an actual eyewitness now? FFS..

Just reading the news stories as they unfold. And you?

Theo

Who pissed in your cornflakes today eh?

As you enquire, I'm actually attempting to take on this potential backlash and media firestorm by assisting with sending out Wheels of Justice media releases, managing the website enquiries, engaging with the media, cycling groups and individuals et al.

Wheels of Justice Media Release
http://www.woj.com.au/2006/08/29/whe...media-release/

Let alone all the other unpaid work I do for my local BUG. All unpaid voluntary work. WTF do you do Theo? Anything?