Hell Ride Bike Bullies - what is the answer? - Page 4

warrwych wrote:
> Zebee Johnstone Wrote:

>> What is the greatest danger to cyclists?

> public indifference,

Tell someone who cares.

Theo :-)

On 2006-09-01, Theo Bekkers (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> We spend tens of millions on pool fences to save a very small number of
> children (in WA, 1 or 2 per annum) who drown in swimming pools that do not
> belong to their parents or grandparents. Yet the biggest thing in the news
> in WA this week is that 150, yes 150, children have died (actually murdered)
> in the last five years due to abuse and neglect, whilst suposedly under the
> care and supervision of the Child Welfare Dept. And most people , including
> me, were not even aware.

Heh.

One of my pet beefs.

I'll never have children (I hate the little buggers, and should never
be allowed to have them), and I doubt I'll ever allow friends over
with small children (don't want them messing the carpet , yet I'd
have to pay to have a fence that would only ever inconvenience me? I
can assure you the door would be locked open.

> Still trying to figure out why the river doesn't need to have a 'pool
> fence'.

Be careful for what you accidentally suggest. They already happily
put fences up along entire trail sections to stop stupid people from
falling off cliffs. Pity the gene pool doesn't have a stupid person
proof fence

--
TimC
If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out. --unknown

On 2006-09-01, Theo Bekkers (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> aeek wrote:
>> Zebee Johnstone Wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh it certainly has its problems. It's a problem - should cars be
>>> identifiable? And if so, what is the differnce between them and
>>> bicycles?
>
>> You can clearly see and thus identify the cyclist, you cannot so
>> easily see the driver so the car needs to be identifiable.
>
> So if I see a cyclist runing a red light, the police will have no trouble
> tracking him/her down and fining them?

Has there ever been any argument that it was impossible to find this
guy? Or any others that have resulted in death?

--
TimC
"It never gets easier, you just go faster."
-- Greg LeMond on bicycle riding/racing

I am glad I don't live in Theo's World By ignoring the rest of what I said, your statement, as a cyclist, becomes part of the problem
(but I understand you are illustrating a point )

What do you think you're going to get if you report a red light running rego number to the police?

Sweet stuff all, that's what. Your word against theirs.

In aus.bicycle on Fri, 01 Sep 2006 01:46:31 GMT
TimC <tconnors@no.spam.accepted.here-astro.swin.edu.au> wrote:
> On 2006-09-01, Theo Bekkers (aka Bruce)
>> So if I see a cyclist runing a red light, the police will have no trouble
>> tracking him/her down and fining them?
>
> Has there ever been any argument that it was impossible to find this
> guy? Or any others that have resulted in death?


If he had kept going, what ID could anyone have provided?

Should we rely on cyclists to stop?

Wasn't an old woman knocked down by a cyclist just recently who didn't
stop?

So asnwer the question - will the police have trouble tracking down a
red light runner?

Zebee

In aus.bicycle on Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:46:02 +1000
EuanB <EuanB.2dfqhn@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
>
> Theo Bekkers Wrote:
>> aeek wrote:
>> > Zebee Johnstone Wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Oh it certainly has its problems. It's a problem - should cars be
>> >> identifiable? And if so, what is the differnce between them and
>> >> bicycles?
>>
>> > You can clearly see and thus identify the cyclist, you cannot so
>> > easily see the driver so the car needs to be identifiable.
>>
>> So if I see a cyclist runing a red light, the police will have no
>> trouble
>> tracking him/her down and fining them?
> What do you think you're going to get if you report a red light running
> rego number to the police?
>
> Sweet stuff all, that's what. Your word against theirs.

So you have a red light camera. Or a policebod on foot sees the
incident.

What now>

Zebee

On 2006-09-01, Zebee Johnstone (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> So you have a red light camera. Or a policebod on foot sees the
> incident.
>
> What now> NORTH

There is a grue there. You are eaten by a grue.

Sorry, you got me there for a second.

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TimC
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Changing the parameters of the question? OK I'll play.

What's it worth to society to stamp it out? It's pretty hard to outrun radio waves, have police work in teams. You have your spotter at one junction and your catcher just down the road. Think how many traffic infringement notices they'd be able to hand out for ALL traffic.

If you think that policemen enforce the law for traffic violations as they're going about their normal business then I'd have to disagree.

Resound wrote:
> "Zebee Johnstone" <zebeej@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:slrnefd33o.82l.zebeej@gmail.com...
> > In aus.bicycle on Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:49:34 +1000
> > EuanB <EuanB.2de45p@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't agree with the idea though, it fails for the same reason that
> >> if you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to fear fails.
> >
> > Oh it certainly has its problems. It's a problem - should cars be
> > identifiable? And if so, what is the differnce between them and
> > bicycles?
> >
> > Zebee
>
> There is a difference between identifying the vehicle and the driver of said
> vehicle. Motorists are effectively anonymous. Having said that I'd happily
> have an easily identifiable rego tag on my bike provided it could happen
> without interfering with the function of the vehicle. rearward facing
> readable plates predent a problem in that regard, but practical issues
> aside, I'd have no problem with it. I'm not sure why, but something in me
> objects to the identifying number being placed on *me*. I don't have a
> rational reason for that though.

It's technically piss-easy- RFID tag in the bottom bracket, sensors on
the road. With this stuff, it's only a matter of time for cars, and
bikes maybe too.

love it...! oh what a can of worms for the civil liberarian lobby and the zealots...

can you hear them cry..."dont take the mark"...it's the devil at work...blah blah blah....

maybe add a bit of GSM tracking too perhaps all hooked up to the master computer and we get debit statements from the ticker machine in the wall at home when we come in...(with audio accompaniment and video footage of the infraction.......

"( in a loud computer simulated tone) "Human Unit 19680107zeta5(aka errant cyclist)...debit 5000 credits, violation of traffic ord 793216(xxi) of World regulatory code , *caution* you are 500,000 credits short of life experience termination or the option of sterilisation (for TimC's benefit)...

hmmm wasnt that a Bruce Willis movie....?

or 1984 back to haunt us...anyway its time for the Jetsons replays on tape..(runs to the kitchen for a tipple before tea)

Sounded more like a scenario from Brazil.

cfsmtb wrote:
> rooman Wrote:
>> hmmm wasnt that a Bruce Willis movie....?
>>
>> or 1984 back to haunt us...anyway its time for the Jetsons replays on
>> tape..(runs to the kitchen for a tipple before tea)
>
> Sounded more like a scenario from 'Brazil'
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_(film)).

I think he's thinking of Demolition Man, Sylvester Stallone and Wesley
Snipes.
--
Cheers
Euan

Zebee Johnstone wrote:
> In aus.bicycle on Fri, 01 Sep 2006 01:46:31 GMT
> TimC <tconnors@no.spam.accepted.here-astro.swin.edu.au> wrote:
>
>>On 2006-09-01, Theo Bekkers (aka Bruce)
>>
>>>So if I see a cyclist runing a red light, the police will have no trouble
>>>tracking him/her down and fining them?
>>
>>Has there ever been any argument that it was impossible to find this
>>guy? Or any others that have resulted in death?
>
>
>
> If he had kept going, what ID could anyone have provided?
>
> Should we rely on cyclists to stop?
>
> Wasn't an old woman knocked down by a cyclist just recently who didn't
> stop?
>
> So asnwer the question - will the police have trouble tracking down a
> red light runner?
>
> Zebee


ANd sometimes Zebee you make no sense. Of course they will. Untill
they get serious... extract his DNA from the bloke he clobbereds
clothes. and test every cyclist in melbourne. Put up police caravans
interrogate everyone who did stop find out it was someone at Portfolio
Partners and start going through the employees. If they want someone
badly enough they will find em

Essentially the same problem they face when anyone is bashed or run down
by an unregistered car.

If you are arguing for some sort of registration sure the minute after
they bring in registration for muggers. And the minute they get the
last unreegistered car of the road.

Dave

"cfsmtb" <cfsmtb.2dg4do@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
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>
> rooman Wrote:
>>
>> hmmm wasnt that a Bruce Willis movie....?
>>
>> or 1984 back to haunt us...anyway its time for the Jetsons replays on
>> tape..(runs to the kitchen for a tipple before tea)
>
> Sounded more like a scenario from 'Brazil'
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_(film)).
>
Best.
Movie.
Evar.