What's Harder? Alpine Classic or Delight - Page 2

That's the Alpine Classic, I'm talking about the Alpine Delight (Hotham etc)

Thanks JoeD. I know that in reality there are ups and downs which will add to the total ascent, but even then I thought it would be short of 3900. However, it all sounds plausible. Can't wait to try it.

Difference is easily explained.

With Bright at 300m and Hotham 1821m, if the road would continually head up,
your ascent would be 1521m
with your average gradient dependent on the road's length. But in reality,
mountain climbs, especially long ones going
from one peak to another, along ridges, etc, will usually have some
downhills along the way resulting adding to the
actual ascent difference between the two point. You example would suggest
that Omeo to Hotham means less climbing
but the truth is you leave Omeo and climb for nearly 10K then you down hill
again for a few k's with quite a few more
undulations before you start climbing up to Hotham again. All the downhills
on the way up add to the ascent and there's
quite a few on this ride especially from Hotham to Omeo.

Same applies to average gradients. Mt Donna Buang;s average is listed as
6.4% as opposed to Hotham's 4.6%.
So on paper you'd think Donna would be harder but that's far from reality.
Hotham is a tough climb but rewarding.

But hey, don't take my word for it. It's lot more fun trying it for
yourself.
Just next time I ride the Delight, I'll be mentally more prepared for the
climb out of Omeo which I didn't percive as tough as it was.


"Walrus" <Walrus.2hli5n@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
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> JoeD Wrote:
>> 3900 meters of climbing I'd love to try this ride, but I'm curious as to
>> the calculations of
> total ascent. If Bright (300m) to Hotham (1821m) = 1521m
> climbing...and Omeo (700m) to Hotham (1821m) = 1121m climbing...how can
> the total ascent be as high as 3900? Sorry, but Audax doesn't have much
> info on it. Which part am I missing?
>
>
> --
> Walrus
>

Walrus wrote:
> JoeD Wrote:
> > 3900 meters of climbing I'd love to try this ride, but I'm curious as to the calculations of
> total ascent. If Bright (300m) to Hotham (1821m) = 1521m
> climbing...and Omeo (700m) to Hotham (1821m) = 1121m climbing...how can
> the total ascent be as high as 3900? Sorry, but Audax doesn't have much
> info on it. Which part am I missing?

Hotham to Omeo includes 700m or so of climbing.
Omeo to Hotham, alas, is only 700m of descending (but they're ace
descents!) and rather a lot of climbing.

I'm not sure that was mentioned in the fine print Carl ...

MalP wrote:

> Bleve Wrote:
> > Walrus wrote:
> > > JoeD Wrote:
> > > > 3900 meters of climbing I'd love to try this ride, but I'm
> > curious as to the calculations of
> > > total ascent. If Bright (300m) to Hotham (1821m) = 1521m
> > > climbing...and Omeo (700m) to Hotham (1821m) = 1121m climbing...how
> > can
> > > the total ascent be as high as 3900? Sorry, but Audax doesn't have
> > much
> > > info on it. Which part am I missing?
> >
> > Hotham to Omeo includes 700m or so of climbing.
> > Omeo to Hotham, alas, is only 700m of descending (but they're ace
> > descents!) and rather a lot of climbing.I'm not sure that was mentioned in the fine print Carl ...

We are staying at the top, and there's only one way to get there


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>
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> MalP

Well done Joe but remember it's grind coming out of Omeo exspecially on a double.

You aint kidding!!!!!
I was with a group of 5 others who all had triples and while i was grinding,
they spun (actually grinded a little quicker) away from me. I did have a 27
but 5K out of Omeo I would have paid anything for a triple. Will be getting
lower gears!



"Dancier" <Dancier.2hn7i0@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
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> JoeD Wrote:
>> I'll be mentally more prepared for the
>> climb out of Omeo which I didn't percive as tough as it was.
> Well done Joe but remember it's grind coming out of Omeo exspecially on
> a double.
>
>
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> Dancier
>

. What sort of % are we talking coming out of Omeo.

IIRC, there's a particularly nasty stretch of 3k or so that is at about 8% - 9% - that's the worst of it (although the whole ascent does rate up there in the grinding stakes).

RobM wrote:

> Walrus Wrote:
> > . What sort of % are we talking coming out of Omeo.
> IIRC, there's a particularly nasty stretch of 3k or so that is at about
> 8% - 9% - that's the worst of it (although the whole ascent does rate up
> there in the grinding stakes).

I'll post a profile of it on Monday when I get back. We're riding
Hotham-Bright-Hotham on Sat, and Hotham-Omeo-Hotham on Sunday (this
w'end). The weather forecast is ace

Have a nice ride, enjoy those descents!

Walrus wrote:

> Bleve Wrote:
> > I'll post a profile of it on Monday when I get back. We're riding
> > Hotham-Bright-Hotham on Sat, and Hotham-Omeo-Hotham on Sunday (this
> > w'end). The weather forecast is ace

>Have a nice ride, enjoy those descents!


You bet, the drop into Omeo is one of my alltime favourite descents,
it's right up there with Marble Hill in Adelade (w00t!)

"Bleve" <carl.I.brewer@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> RobM wrote:
>
>> Walrus Wrote:
>> > . What sort of % are we talking coming out of Omeo.
>> IIRC, there's a particularly nasty stretch of 3k or so that is at about
>> 8% - 9% - that's the worst of it (although the whole ascent does rate up
>> there in the grinding stakes).
>
> I'll post a profile of it on Monday when I get back. We're riding
> Hotham-Bright-Hotham on Sat, and Hotham-Omeo-Hotham on Sunday (this
> w'end). The weather forecast is ace
>

Have a great ride. I'd love to see what the profile of all the grinding
looks like on paper.
It was my first time at Hotham and I can't wait to do it again. The climb,
descent and view is just magical.

Whichever one you're doing at the time is more difficult.